US Government Funding For Native Americans

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Leonard

Dunkirk, NY

#1 Mar 24, 2011
When does it stop? We maintain their roads and bridges. We educate their children. We finance project after project. We buy their firetrucks, their ambulances, many of their buildings & we get nothing in return.

I respect and agree with their right to not collect sales tax on the reservations but then they should not expect anything from our government.

They also should be required to pay sales tax when they make purchases off the reservation.
Pete

Dunkirk, NY

#2 Mar 25, 2011
It stops when the well runs dry--when we're completely tapped out.

That's the Cloward-Piven strategy.
Leonard

Dunkirk, NY

#3 Mar 25, 2011
The problem is that with the ability to operate despite budget deficits, we're never actually tapped out. We just add it on to the overall debtload.

The concept that the current population of natives are entitled because of what happened generations before is wrong. African Americans were treated worse and recieve nothing.

Other than tax free sales on aboriginal lands, they aren't entitled to any of the millions and millions we give them each year.
Puzzled

Gowanda, NY

#4 Mar 25, 2011
Leonard you don't think the Native Americans are entitled to any of the "millions and millions we give them each year".

Why not? Do you honestly know what this country did to these people and basically still do? Do you know that Americans took THEIR land despite how they felt about it?

How do yuo figure that "African Americans" were treated WORSE?

Hope this isn't another case of a young person not having a clue how this country was made.
Leonard

Dunkirk, NY

#5 Mar 25, 2011
Puzzled wrote:
Leonard you don't think the Native Americans are entitled to any of the "millions and millions we give them each year".
Why not? Do you honestly know what this country did to these people and basically still do? Do you know that Americans took THEIR land despite how they felt about it?
How do yuo figure that "African Americans" were treated WORSE?
Hope this isn't another case of a young person not having a clue how this country was made.
I'm well aware of how this country was made, thank you very much. All I'm saying is that its never ending. Technically we BOUGHT the land. I know it wasn't a fair deal. I know it was terrible what we did. But does that justify us paying out all of this money forever? My point about African Americans (not sure why you put it in quotes) was that they were taken from their homeland, forced to work for no pay & were beaten/tortured/killed etc. I guess my use of the word "worse" was wrong, but I would venture to say both suffered equally. So why are we compensating one group but not the other?
Puzzled

Gowanda, NY

#6 Mar 26, 2011
I thought your reference was rather odd saying "African Americans". They are actually Americans whose ancestors came from Africa.

Then why not the Irish? Look what this country did to them. Slave labor. Look it up.

America feels guilty for what it did to the Natives. Ever read how they not only took their land..yes in most cases they STOLE their land, not paid for it.Then they beat and killed the Natives. They raped their women. They starved the Natives. They gathered them up and created a "community" a/k/a reservation, for them to live on.while they introduced them to guns and "fire water". Natives weren't savages. Those who came to THEIR country were the savages.

They are the people that got the worst of it by people who weren't even born in this part of the world.

There is a massive difference between the Natives and those that came from Africa, Ireland and the rest.
Agreed

Fredonia, NY

#7 Mar 26, 2011
Puzzled wrote:
I thought your reference was rather odd saying "African Americans". They are actually Americans whose ancestors came from Africa.
Then why not the Irish? Look what this country did to them. Slave labor. Look it up.
America feels guilty for what it did to the Natives. Ever read how they not only took their land..yes in most cases they STOLE their land, not paid for it.Then they beat and killed the Natives. They raped their women. They starved the Natives. They gathered them up and created a "community" a/k/a reservation, for them to live on.while they introduced them to guns and "fire water". Natives weren't savages. Those who came to THEIR country were the savages.
They are the people that got the worst of it by people who weren't even born in this part of the world.
There is a massive difference between the Natives and those that came from Africa, Ireland and the rest.
Don't forget the blankets infected with smallpox - on PURPOSE. Killing off their food sources in the wild...the list goes on and on. No, this "white man" doesn't regret a penny paid to Native Americans.

People need to try pointing their anger at the do-nothing, generational welfare recipients - THERE it is deserved. They have been coddled and cared for by our government and given nothing back - no sacrifices made for their country. How about this? Healthy male, over 18? Want welfare? Sure - give us a couple years in the army. Now that you mention it, females could do that, too. Might keep them busy so they don't have 10 kids by 10 different fathers. I'm not suggesting this for any particular race, either - there are generational welfare recipients in ALL the racial groups. Black, white, hispanic - I don't care the race. You want public money? You make a sacrifice of some kind.
PAST AND FUTURE

Burnt Hills, NY

#8 Mar 26, 2011
When we shed our past, never forgetting it, looking to the future; only then can we be free. We can only influence the now and future, let it be equal for all and just for all.
At some point we have to stop looking at ourselves as individuals, not victims, demanding freedom, rights and responsibilities as citizens and community members.
Divide up the Indian Trust among the nations and move to a new future.
Leonard

Dunkirk, NY

#9 Mar 26, 2011
Puzzled wrote:
I thought your reference was rather odd saying "African Americans". They are actually Americans whose ancestors came from Africa.
Then why not the Irish? Look what this country did to them. Slave labor. Look it up.
America feels guilty for what it did to the Natives. Ever read how they not only took their land..yes in most cases they STOLE their land, not paid for it.Then they beat and killed the Natives. They raped their women. They starved the Natives. They gathered them up and created a "community" a/k/a reservation, for them to live on.while they introduced them to guns and "fire water". Natives weren't savages. Those who came to THEIR country were the savages.
They are the people that got the worst of it by people who weren't even born in this part of the world.
There is a massive difference between the Natives and those that came from Africa, Ireland and the rest.
It seems the politically correct wording for black people changes every other day. I was trying to be respectful. Listen, you made some good points and understand your stance on the issue.

Although its still early, I think the best response from this thread so far was the one suggesting a lump sum payment. At least it would put it all behind us so we can move forward.

I didn't expect my opinion to be popular with everyone. If it was, it wouldn't be a good debate.
Puzzled

Gowanda, NY

#10 Mar 27, 2011
Leonard wrote:
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It seems the politically correct wording for black people changes every other day. I was trying to be respectful. Listen, you made some good points and understand your stance on the issue.
Although its still early, I think the best response from this thread so far was the one suggesting a lump sum payment. At least it would put it all behind us so we can move forward.
I didn't expect my opinion to be popular with everyone. If it was, it wouldn't be a good debate.
Do you live near the reservation or in a city?

Lump sum payment to all minorities?
Assimilate or Relocate

Dunkirk, NY

#11 Mar 28, 2011
The Native Americans were conquered through bad business deals and wars. Why should we continue to pay for sins committed by our ancestors? They fought wars and won, took land, and allowed the Natives to stay. In Eastern Europe or Africa it would have been full-blown genocide and we wouldn't have "Natives" anymore. If anything our ancestors were kind to them.

The reservations and the concept of sovereignty are unconstitutional and illegal. If they want to be sovereign, be sovereign. Otherwise get in the pot and pay your way.

Everyone knows the Natives in NY live in squalor while their "leaders" rake in the dough - casino revenue, etc. It's not being distributed amongst the tribe, and furthermore a lot of the seed money put forward comes from white investors anyway. If the Natives want to blame someone for their plight they should blame their own "leaders" who are in it for themselves alone.

It's time to assimilate the Natives once and for all. If they don't want it, we cut them off. Have fun trading for poewr, water, and raw materials. We can route our roads around your reservation, we don't give a crap. Provide your own schools, medical, and social services, off the US payroll. Just then maybe those ingrates will appreciate what they have when our ancestors could have wiped them off the map 300 years ago.
zzz

Dunkirk, NY

#12 Apr 4, 2011
giving native americans financial aid is barely different from all the other financial and military aid our country gives to other countries.
ast

Voorhees, NJ

#13 Nov 8, 2011
Assimilate or Relocate wrote:
The Native Americans were conquered through bad business deals and wars. Why should we continue to pay for sins committed by our ancestors? They fought wars and won, took land, and allowed the Natives to stay. In Eastern Europe or Africa it would have been full-blown genocide and we wouldn't have "Natives" anymore. If anything our ancestors were kind to them.
The reservations and the concept of sovereignty are unconstitutional and illegal. If they want to be sovereign, be sovereign. Otherwise get in the pot and pay your way.
Everyone knows the Natives in NY live in squalor while their "leaders" rake in the dough - casino revenue, etc. It's not being distributed amongst the tribe, and furthermore a lot of the seed money put forward comes from white investors anyway. If the Natives want to blame someone for their plight they should blame their own "leaders" who are in it for themselves alone.
It's time to assimilate the Natives once and for all. If they don't want it, we cut them off. Have fun trading for poewr, water, and raw materials. We can route our roads around your reservation, we don't give a crap. Provide your own schools, medical, and social services, off the US payroll. Just then maybe those ingrates will appreciate what they have when our ancestors could have wiped them off the map 300 years ago.
it prevents civil war dumbass..
ast

Voorhees, NJ

#14 Nov 8, 2011
common sense jeez..
ast

Voorhees, NJ

#15 Nov 8, 2011
you don't have to actually get threatened to know people are gonna be mad at you..

and riot..
ast

Voorhees, NJ

#16 Nov 8, 2011
and then one of your friends gets killed you don't care as long as the enemy is defeated..

therefore proof that you didn't care about your friend in the first place as long as your other friends were around..
dianna l miller

Jacksonville, FL

#17 Apr 29, 2012
Leonard wrote:
When does it stop? We maintain their roads and bridges. We educate their children. We finance project after project. We buy their firetrucks, their ambulances, many of their buildings & we get nothing in return.
I respect and agree with their right to not collect sales tax on the reservations but then they should not expect anything from our government.
They also should be required to pay sales tax when they make purchases off the reservation.
our government support should never stop until every eligible native american indian is well educated, self-supporting with decent housing and health care. they were able to take care of themselves until the europeans came to this country and stole their land from them. for them it was like someone coming into your home and pushing you out with no rights. how would you like it if another country came over here and took the united states from you and your kind? then made you settle into non-producing sections of the country? people like you sicken me...you have no remorse for hat your ancestors to these people and all you can do is complain about when it sshould stop...do you know that your children stand a better chance of getting educational grants than the native american indian...that you have a better chance of getting FREE AID than native american indian? white people don't have to go thru all the red tape and rigamarole that other race do to become elf-sufficiant in this country. as the old saying goes and it's still true today...if you are white you re right and everybody else get back!
dianna l miller

Jacksonville, FL

#18 Apr 29, 2012
Assimilate or Relocate wrote:
The Native Americans were conquered through bad business deals and wars. Why should we continue to pay for sins committed by our ancestors? They fought wars and won, took land, and allowed the Natives to stay. In Eastern Europe or Africa it would have been full-blown genocide and we wouldn't have "Natives" anymore. If anything our ancestors were kind to them.
The reservations and the concept of sovereignty are unconstitutional and illegal. If they want to be sovereign, be sovereign. Otherwise get in the pot and pay your way.
Everyone knows the Natives in NY live in squalor while their "leaders" rake in the dough - casino revenue, etc. It's not being distributed amongst the tribe, and furthermore a lot of the seed money put forward comes from white investors anyway. If the Natives want to blame someone for their plight they should blame their own "leaders" who are in it for themselves alone.
It's time to assimilate the Natives once and for all. If they don't want it, we cut them off. Have fun trading for poewr, water, and raw materials. We can route our roads around your reservation, we don't give a crap. Provide your own schools, medical, and social services, off the US payroll. Just then maybe those ingrates will appreciate what they have when our ancestors could have wiped them off the map 300 years ago.
you are definitely a racist and a bigot. how would you like it if the arabs came over here and wiped out you and your kind and stole the united states from you and your children...i say you would deserve it because you are too ignorant to live....
dianna l miller

Jacksonville, FL

#19 Apr 29, 2012
Leonard wrote:
When does it stop? We maintain their roads and bridges. We educate their children. We finance project after project. We buy their firetrucks, their ambulances, many of their buildings & we get nothing in return.
I respect and agree with their right to not collect sales tax on the reservations but then they should not expect anything from our government.
They also should be required to pay sales tax when they make purchases off the reservation.
and since when do we maintain their roads and bridges and finance project after project...what exactly are we supposed to be getting from them? they pay federal taxes just like everyone else even though the us government stuck them on non-producing land called reservations...they can't grow anything on that land to become self sufficient...they survive strictly by the generosity of the government...if it weren't for affirmative action thy wouldn't even be given jobs off the reservation and they could forget about education and health care...things that white people tke for granted...i feel sorry for you because you re so ignorant it is pitiful....and i believe that you secretly genocidal tendencies...it would be jut desserts if some other race decided to wipe out the white race...we might all be better off for it...
Republican Man

Sisseton, SD

#21 Aug 8, 2012
I absolutely think that all Native American funding should end now. Notice how much money us white people are giving the reservations and they still have the highest unemployment rate, highest suicide rate, highest poverty rate, ect. The white people are NOT the ones taking things for granted. The natives are!! I live 5 miles AWAY from a reservation in South Dakota, and I see how they are. They are a bunch of selfish, drunk, freeloaders. They are not making any efforts. After so long the whole "I.O.U" card doesn't work anymore. Get off the couch, put down the booze, and get a job!! Enough said...

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