Startup successes

Startup successes

There are 11 comments on the Observer story from Apr 9, 2013, titled Startup successes. In it, Observer reports that:

It was a day that has been in the making since the announcement in 2007 that a SUNY Fredonia Technology Incubator would be built in Dunkirk.

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tookybank

Horseheads, NY

#1 Apr 10, 2013
at least I got some free cookies, a dip in the punch bowl, and a look at some high technology inventions (sic).

this whole thing was SUNY Fredonia President Hefner's doing, he needed a legacy to leave behind, the grant funding was there because of the poor economy, so it was proposed and built.

However, to call this a tech incubator, with the tenants that are currently in there, seems stretching the truth. I didn't see any high tech nanobots that keep your shoelaces tied, i saw a velcro wrap device that probably doesn't have much to do with "high tech".

i saw an insourcing / remote workers employment agency that claims it has IP in the form of processes and kb, and relies on the parity between wages in Virginia vs the Dunkirk area. again not very high tech.

i saw a custom computer builder, but i could not fathom why any agency needing a computer of that speed for statisical modeling / 3d imaging, etc., would not be able to figure out the specs themselves and build it themselves. Maybe they just have so much money from research grants that they can outsource their computer supplies from him instead of Dell or HP. computer timesharing died out in the late 1980's

i saw a baseball measuring camera setup, but could not image what was high tech about it, nor figure out what it's IP was that would enable it to scale. And yet they somehow managed to raise $400k from investors but still need more. And they are spread all over the country, so how does that help create jobs in the local area?

i saw a couple integrators of websites with social media apis, and again wondered where is the high tech? cobbling together existing IP into an integration is a VAR, but not an invention of high tech.

and if the parking lot is empty because the Entrepreneurs are out travelling and looking for business, why did we need such an expensive bldg that remains empty / underused most of the time?

the nasty truth is that what this area needs is low skill manufacturing to meet the capabilities of it's population skillset. However all those jobs have gone to foreign countries where labor costs are much cheaper.

When County Exec Edwards says he talks with many businesses who can't find workers with the proper skills, I'm wondering if they really can't find skilled people, or if they can't find people with skills who are willing to bend over and work for the low wages being offered.

I also think the local reactions and negative attitudes about the incubator are a direct result of a lack of good marketing and PR being done about the activities at the incubator. we don't often hear what is really happening in there, and when we do, it's like putting lipstick on a pig. you can't make a velcro shoelace holder look high tech. we may not be rocket scientists, but we're not fools either.
Wow

Jamestown, NY

#2 Apr 11, 2013
What a waste of my tax dollars!
OTB

Dunkirk, NY

#3 Apr 11, 2013
I could not attend the open house so I was wondering how many did attend. Can any one answer.
Hank

Horseheads, NY

#4 Apr 11, 2013
Why attend an empty building with liars telling you how succssful they are?
Winky

Fredonia, NY

#5 Apr 11, 2013
If you check out the open house photo on the incubator's facebook page, you'll notice most the people in the photo are college administration. That says it all.
Drones are Watching

Needham, MA

#6 Apr 11, 2013
Ya, just another insiders group divvying up someone else's loot. Gee, where have we heard this one before!
tookybank

Horseheads, NY

#7 Apr 11, 2013
there were approx 50 people there, and yes, most of them were college administrators, or students catering the cookie table, etc. there were a few community people there, trying to find out what it was about. but no huge crowd.

i could not stay to hear the director's talk at 5:30 pm,(i had a customer appointment) but I wonder what he said about the finances.

from what i understood from the advertisement of the event, he was supposed to discuss how much money was invested and where it came from. real hard numbers like those would give us an indication of:

1. if any of our tax dollars are actually going to support this...

2. exactly how much of our tax dollars on a per person basis? i honestly can't believe it would be more than a few pennies, as a percentage of the total amount of tax NYS collects, divided per person...

3. who really paid for it, and will continue to pay for it? was it paid for by the college, state grants, tax money, etc? in the future will it be paid for by the tuition paid by students, or supported by tax dollars?

nobody seems to be willing to discuss the truth behind the source of funding, but I bet if they did it would reveal that it's not that big of a slice of the pie in the taxes we do pay.

sure government may be taking more of our money for taxes, but we are still able to drive over the border to a different country if it gets bad enough. which direction you go just depends if you prefer snow or sunburn.
Drones are Watching

Horseheads, NY

#8 Apr 12, 2013
tookybank wrote:
there were approx 50 people there, and yes, most of them were college administrators, or students catering the cookie table, etc. there were a few community people there, trying to find out what it was about. but no huge crowd.

i could not stay to hear the director's talk at 5:30 pm,(i had a customer appointment) but I wonder what he said about the finances.

from what i understood from the advertisement of the event, he was supposed to discuss how much money was invested and where it came from. real hard numbers like those would give us an indication of:

1. if any of our tax dollars are actually going to support this...

2. exactly how much of our tax dollars on a per person basis? i honestly can't believe it would be more than a few pennies, as a percentage of the total amount of tax NYS collects, divided per person...

3. who really paid for it, and will continue to pay for it? was it paid for by the college, state grants, tax money, etc? in the future will it be paid for by the tuition paid by students, or supported by tax dollars?

nobody seems to be willing to discuss the truth behind the source of funding, but I bet if they did it would reveal that it's not that big of a slice of the pie in the taxes we do pay.

sure government may be taking more of our money for taxes, but we are still able to drive over the border to a different country if it gets bad enough. which direction you go just depends if you prefer snow or sunburn.
Transparency is not a virtue of government anymore. Instead we get the vice of obfuscation. It's business as usual, that being "insiders business."
taxpayer

Fredonia, NY

#9 Apr 12, 2013
Would love to know if any of these so called companies are paying rent? Especially the guy rumored to be there all hours of day and night. Where does one get the financials?
OTB

Dunkirk, NY

#10 Apr 12, 2013
I belive that at lest three of the businesses located at the incubator have recieved financial support from the Dunkirk Local Development Corporation,(DLDC) and if they meet all the reqirements the loan will become a grant and they won't have to pay it back. This is what I've been told. True or false.
Take My Money

Jamestown, NY

#11 Apr 13, 2013
Have some of the previous incubator tenants gotten funding from the city, college, or IDA and not paid it back? Where can we find this information about who got funding and if they have paid any of the money back?

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