Plans for prom barring gays rocks Ind. community

Feb 15, 2013 Full story: SavannahNow 19

A small Indiana community best known for its parks and corn festival has become the center of a national discussion about intolerance over a group's plans to host a "traditional" prom that bans gay students.

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Since: Mar 09

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#1 Feb 15, 2013
From the article:

" ... Dale Wise, the church's senior minister at Sullivan First Christian Church, said his church turned off its fax machine and took its website offline Tuesday because both were the target of hate mail and pornographic messages ... "

I really do wish that our "friends" wouldn't do things like this.

“Equality First”

Since: Jan 09

St. Louis, MO

#2 Feb 15, 2013
Must be an outbreak of this sort of news. Here's one from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch this morning:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/state-and-region...

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#3 Feb 15, 2013
RalphB wrote:
Must be an outbreak of this sort of news. Here's one from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch this morning:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/state-and-region...
According to the "judge it"s that my last received, tt seems that some people think that our supporters should be abusive to our opposition.

I couldn't disagree more.

Always keep to the higher ground.

“Greetings!”

Since: Dec 06

Tampa, FL

#4 Feb 15, 2013
RalphB wrote:
Must be an outbreak of this sort of news. Here's one from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch this morning:
http://www.stltoday.com/news/state-and-region...
You're right. It's so unfair that an entire group of people are being blamed for the actions and words of the minority....oh wait, i'm talking about how the loud, and small-in-number, people in the Christian community villify gays and lesbians with their hatred and intolerance!

Sarcasm aside, yes, those in support of same-sex couples attending their prom, should not have sent faxes and left voice mails on the church's fax and phone, but, perhaps they might learn what it's like to be the target of unwanted hate-filled comments.

It hurts, dosn't it? What's worse, is that being the target of such attacks is compounded when you DON'T reflect the feelings of those making the statements.

Reminds me of the old indian saying, "If you want to know more about me - walk a mile in my shoes."

Being verbally attacked for simply opening your facility for a meeting (which you didn't know the purpose of) hurts. Very much in the same way how gay folks feel when they are being verbally attacked (and discrimanted against) for simply opening their heart to a person they love.

Hmmmm...teaching moment here?

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#5 Feb 15, 2013
snyper wrote:
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According to the "judge it"s that my last received, tt seems that some people think that our supporters should be abusive to our opposition.
I couldn't disagree more.
Always keep to the higher ground.
Agreed.

There is no reason to resort to abuse.
There is no rational governmental interest sufficient for denial of equal treatment under the law. We need to stick to the facts and leave the abuse to those opposed to equality, as irrational fear mongering, abuse, and a few mistranslated bible verses is all they have.
Frank

Scottsdale, AZ

#6 Feb 15, 2013
Intolerance?

State of the Union: Liberals are the new Nazis
Originally posted by Judson Phillips on February 12, 2013

In the last fifty years or so, the left has tried to portray the Nazi Party of Germany’s Third Reich as basically the Republican Party on mild steroids.

Every Republican President, even the liberal Republicans like Nixon, Ford and Bush, are compared to Hitler. The left would compare Republicans to Satan but they don’t believe in God. On second thought they do think Republicans are the spawn of Satan but with the left, logical inconsistencies have never bothered them.

Unfortunately with the left having achieved its goal of political dominance, liberals are looking more and more like Nazis every day.

How could those “tolerant” liberals be so Nazi like?

Liberals love authoritarian governments. And with authoritarians and liberals, there is one thing in common. There can be no dissent.

Disagree with the liberal orthodoxy and liberals will destroy you. In fact, it is the goal of liberals to destroy anyone who disagrees with them.

At the national level, Barack Obama is trying to destroy the Republican Party. In Obama’s world, a one party state is a desirable goal. If he destroys the GOP, he gets his Stalinist wish.

It is not just Obama that wants to destroy all opposition. The examples of components of the great liberal axis of evil going after conservatives are replete.

Unless you are a science fiction fan, you have probably never heard of Orson Scott Card. He is the author of the Ender’s Game science fiction book series. The Ender’s Game novel is going to be released as a movie later this year starring Harrison Ford. Card was recently tapped to write for DC Comics new series,“The adventures of Superman.”

Card is a best selling sci-fi author who is clearly qualified to write.

But there is a problem.

Card is a devout Mormon and has been very vocal in his opposition to gay marriage. Now liberals are demanding that DC Comics drop Card as the writer for the new Superman Comic.

Liberals loved it when DC Comics announced its comic superhero the Green Lantern would come out as gay, but tolerance is clearly not a two way street. Because Card dares to disagree with liberal orthodoxy he must be denied the opportunity to earn his living.

Say, doesn’t that sound like the Hollywood blacklist of the 50’s that liberals are always carping about?

The Boy Scouts are another good example of what happens to groups that dare to defy the liberal orthodoxy. The Boy Scouts, for very good reasons, exclude gays as scoutmasters and volunteers. For two decades the left has been engaged in a full frontal assault against the Boy Scouts for their position of not allowing homosexual scoutmasters. The left has pressured private groups not to support the Boy Scouts and pressured government entities not to allow the Boy Scouts to use their property for scouting events.

This is the tyranny of the left. There is no room for disagreement. If liberals disagree with the Boy Scouts’ policy they could start their own group. They could create the gay scouts or the diversity scouts or what ever else they wanted to call it.

But no, liberals do not want to do that. They want to destroy anyone or anything that dares to offer a contrary opinion.

Tonight Barack Obama will deliver an address to a joint session of Congress. The address is no longer the State of the Union address. Instead it will be a Hitlerian screed attacking Republicans, Conservatives, The Tea Party and anyone who dares to disagree with him.

If the Republicans had any courage, they would walk out en mass to make a statement.

The left wants to destroy conservatives and the Republicans simply want to go to Washington cocktail parties with liberals.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#7 Feb 15, 2013
Frank wrote:
Intolerance?
State of the Union: Liberals are the new Nazis
Originally posted by Judson Phillips on February 12, 2013
In the last fifty years or so, the left has tried to portray the Nazi Party of Germany’s Third Reich as basically the Republican Party on mild steroids.
Every Republican President, even the liberal Republicans like Nixon, Ford and Bush, are compared to Hitler. The left would compare Republicans to Satan but they don’t believe in God. On second thought they do think Republicans are the spawn of Satan but with the left, logical inconsistencies have never bothered them....
Lots of pejorative terminology and fear mongering, but it all ignores the fact gay people are seeking equal treatment under the law and in society, while it is you who wants to deny equal treatment and restrict freedom.

The Nazi's rounded up gay people. Few survived the concentration camps, and those who did were kept locked up even after the rest were liberated. The Nazi's were about restricting freedom, not expanding it.

Prejudice and discrimination cause needless suffering and death, while equal treatment harms no one.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#9 Feb 15, 2013
The town doesn't want people to think they are bigoted but when they want to exclude gays what are people supposed to think?

Since: Aug 08

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#10 Feb 15, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
Lots of pejorative terminology and fear mongering, but it all ignores the fact gay people are seeking equal treatment under the law and in society, while it is you who wants to deny equal treatment and restrict freedom.
The Nazi's rounded up gay people. Few survived the concentration camps, and those who did were kept locked up even after the rest were liberated. The Nazi's were about restricting freedom, not expanding it.
Prejudice and discrimination cause needless suffering and death, while equal treatment harms no one.
Equality just harms the egos of the bigots.

Why were the gays not liberated after the Holocaust? Was there a law in Germany that criminalized it prior to the Holocaust? I wouldn't doubt it considering sodomy laws were found unconstitutional here in the U.S. only less than a decade ago and other countries are so much more socially progressive than us.
Someone else

Clinton, IN

#12 Feb 15, 2013
Found on HuffPo today. I think this is the best version of the story so far.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch...

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#14 Feb 15, 2013
equalityboy81 wrote:
<quoted text>
Equality just harms the egos of the bigots.
Why were the gays not liberated after the Holocaust? Was there a law in Germany that criminalized it prior to the Holocaust? I wouldn't doubt it considering sodomy laws were found unconstitutional here in the U.S. only less than a decade ago and other countries are so much more socially progressive than us.
The Nazi's expanded an un-enforced law already on the books, and started enforcing it heavily. Many never made it to the camps. The survivors were denied compensation given to others and even eventually to the guards.

From the U.S. Holocaust Museum:
"Following Germany’s defeat, most Nazi-era laws were revoked, but the revisions to Paragraph 175 remained in effect. Under Allied occupation, some homosexuals were forced to serve out their terms of imprisonment regardless of time served in concentration camps. Homosexuals were specifically denied compensation as victims of National Socialism." http://www.ushmm.org/museum/press/kits/detail...

Since: Jun 11

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#15 Feb 15, 2013
"The Holocaust illustrates the consequences of prejudice, racism and stereotyping on a society. It forces us to examine the responsibilities of citizenship and confront the powerful ramifications of indifference and inaction."
Tim Holden

Since: Jun 11

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#16 Feb 15, 2013
The Worlds Biggest Lie wrote:
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Thank you.
I've been saying for sometime now that this is pre WWII Germany all over again with a touch of Bolshevik Russia.
End the fed
Abolish the tax code
Bring our troops home
Shut down the border
Let Ishrael defend Ishrael
Expel and isolate
This has all been a disaster.
This President has no plan
This President had no plan
He can't even return the call from Rev Bill Owens.
Goodbye Rome
The symptoms of fascist thinking are colored by environment and adapted to immediate circumstances. But always and everywhere they can be identified by their appeal to prejudice and by the desire to play upon the fears and vanities of different groups in order to gain power.
Henry A. Wallace

Since: Mar 07

Drakes Branch, VA

#18 Feb 15, 2013
Gay Foo Yung wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes snyper, engaging in buggery is very bad and unhealthy.
..
We are talking about a prom. Are you claiming there is that much sex happening at the dances?

Since: Mar 07

Drakes Branch, VA

#19 Feb 15, 2013
Socialism To Communism wrote:
<quoted text>
The regressive nightmare, the moral and spiritual destruction of America.
This President has no plan
This President had no plan
He, like many, are a puppet. Stupid!
He are a puppet?
Samatha

Linton, IN

#21 Feb 16, 2013
You know that the "Old Fashion Prom" would have been just fine and dandy if someone in Sullivan County would stop making mountains out of mole hills!! Mind your own business.

Since: Jul 10

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#22 Feb 17, 2013
Diana Medley is a hero to Sullivan residents, don't be fooled by the official rhetoric.
trev56

Bloomington, IN

#24 Feb 17, 2013
you'd better be white, straight, republican, and christian to live there!
Huh

Clinton, IN

#25 Feb 17, 2013
trev56 wrote:
you'd better be white, straight, republican, and christian to live there!
You obviously don't live here, Sullivan and Sullivan County are Democrat controlled. Check it out!

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