Survivor puts a face on abortion debate

Survivor puts a face on abortion debate

There are 40 comments on the Telegraph Herald story from Oct 23, 2010, titled Survivor puts a face on abortion debate. In it, Telegraph Herald reports that:

Melissa Ohden looks at herself as the face of abortion. The face that survived. Ohden, a Christian and pro-life speaker, presented her tale as an abortion-attempt survivor Thursday morning in front of a mainly student audience in Alumni Hall at the University of Dubuque.

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“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#21 Oct 27, 2010
Well, that was stupid.

There are innate risks and unpredictable risks. Pregnancy carries the innate risk of hemorrhage, eclampsia, diabetic shock, etc; it is inherent in the process. That doesn't mean it will happen to every woman, but it CAN happen to ANY woman, even those who have successfully had other kids.

Getting hit by a meteor while getting the mail is an unpredictable risk; the odds are so greatly against it that it is irrelevant.

You have the right to avoid risks as you see them.
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>Every thing you do carries risk, and even not doing some things involve risk. If you walk out to the street corner to get your mail, you are taking a risk that a car or a person doesn't come by and get you or that you don't trip and fall on a fallen branch, and not going out to get the mail you take a risk that you won't get enough vitamen D. So you claiming that every pregnancy involves risk really doesn't mean much especially when you consider that the life resulting from pregnancy has the potential to do so much good for the pregnant mother. There is a thing called love that is something that grows from the lives of both the mother and child.
As for the babies being ripped and torn apart in the womb that is true, and sometimes the the baby is delivered whole, but dead, either way the result is the same, a dead baby is delivered and your side can no longer hide that fact.

“Beauty on four legs”

Since: Sep 06

Location hidden

#22 Oct 27, 2010
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>A baby is still delivered, the only problem is that it is a dead baby!
Besides isn't your side the ones that say all abortions are a medical purpose? Now you want to claim that just late term abortions are the only medical purpose?
Hmmm, what were you saying about the smell test!
Lying, racist? PC does not & never has claimed that 'all abortions are a medical purpose?". You know that, and you know you are lying.
Yed, liar, LTAs are performed strictly for medical reasons, something you also know. No one has provided any any credible evidence otherwise.

“Beauty on four legs”

Since: Sep 06

Location hidden

#23 Oct 27, 2010
Lux et Veritas wrote:
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Sufficiently cold-hearted to argue that this little person isn't a human being with an unalienable God-given right to life.
http://liveaction.org/blog/the-power-of-a-por... -- This is what life looks like
Your silly, personally chosen mythology does not govern the law in our secular government. The fetus is not a person, and has no 'right to life' or anything else. The pregnant woman has civil rights as a born person. All your whining, melodrama, preying, you tubes, etc will not change that fact. You lose.

“Unborn babies are people too”

Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis, MN

#24 Oct 27, 2010
pbfa wrote:
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Your silly, personally chosen mythology does not govern the law in our secular government. The fetus is not a person, and has no 'right to life' or anything else. The pregnant woman has civil rights as a born person. All your whining, melodrama, preying, you tubes, etc will not change that fact. You lose.
That isn't what your pro-abort leaders are saying. They're weeping in their lattes over one pro-life victory after another. The little Topix grunts haven't gotten the word from headquarters, obviously.

NARAL's Nancy Keenan to NPR interviewer: "You know, we have to look at what has happened since the passage of Roe. And since 1995 alone, there have been 550 laws on the books that again restrict access to abortion care. That tells us that those people that are elected to office are coming in, waking up every day, either trying to overturn Roe or trying to again take this personal private medical decision away from women.

"And so when we see that kind of effort since 35 years ago, you wouldn't imagine that we would be here, that 550 new laws on the book that restrict women's access to abortion, and that's what we talk about when we say, you bet, women are losing ground."

Other pro-abort poobahs similarly recognize the uselessness of fighting most of the burgeoning pro-life laws being passed in state after state:

*** "...Planned Parenthood leaders decried the [Missouri] legislation but said they won't sue over new requirements on abortion clinics that Gov. Jay Nixon allowed to become law last week. A Planned Parenthood official said legal challenges to other states' laws offering ultrasounds generally have been unsuccessful, and its Missouri clinics are preparing to comply with the law when it takes effect Aug. 28 [2010].

"Paula Gianino, president and chief executive of Planned Parenthood of the St. Louis Region, said the provisions basically mirror laws passed in other states and upheld by the courts, so there's no point in spending the time and money on a court fight it can't win."

" Missouri law already requires a woman to be told of the physical and psychological risks at least 24 hours before undergoing an abortion. The new law will require consultation in person instead of over the phone and mandate that women receive a description of the "anatomical and physiological characteristics of the unborn child." ...

"It also requires abortion providers to offer women the chance to view an ultrasound and listen to the heartbeat of the fetus. And they will have to supply a state-produced brochure proclaiming: "The life of each human being begins at conception. Abortion will terminate the life of a separate, unique, living human being."

“Beauty on four legs”

Since: Sep 06

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#25 Oct 27, 2010
If someone gives luxy a cookie, maybe she'll turn off her tape recorder.
What kind of female gloats over 'women losing ground'? How much self-loathing does it take to rejoice over the loss of women's civil rights? Do tell, luxy, do tell.

“A person is a person no matter”

Since: Sep 07

how small.

#26 Oct 27, 2010
Lux et Veritas wrote:
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Sufficiently cold-hearted to argue that this little person isn't a human being with an unalienable God-given right to life.
http://liveaction.org/blog/the-power-of-a-por... -- This is what life looks like
This isn't a choice. It is truly a child, a unique and unrepeatable human being. It isn't a potiential life, but a life with potential.

Children are our most precious natural rescourse!

“A person is a person no matter”

Since: Sep 07

how small.

#27 Oct 27, 2010
pbfa wrote:
If someone gives luxy a cookie, maybe she'll turn off her tape recorder.
What kind of female gloats over 'women losing ground'? How much self-loathing does it take to rejoice over the loss of women's civil rights? Do tell, luxy, do tell.
abortion is not civil and it is most definately not right!

“A person is a person no matter”

Since: Sep 07

how small.

#28 Oct 27, 2010
pbfa wrote:
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Lying, racist? PC does not & never has claimed that 'all abortions are a medical purpose?". You know that, and you know you are lying.
Yed, liar, LTAs are performed strictly for medical reasons, something you also know. No one has provided any any credible evidence otherwise.
No abortion has a legitimate medical purpose. It's only purpose is death.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#29 Oct 27, 2010
You;re like a gum machine; somebody pops a nickel up your ass and you'll pop out a PLM propaganda point.
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>No abortion has a legitimate medical purpose. It's only purpose is death.

“Unborn babies are people too”

Since: Jul 09

Minneapolis, MN

#30 Oct 28, 2010
pbfa wrote:
If someone gives luxy a cookie, maybe she'll turn off her tape recorder.
What kind of female gloats over 'women losing ground'? How much self-loathing does it take to rejoice over the loss of women's civil rights? Do tell, luxy, do tell.
You're spending way too much time on Topix spouting recycled pro-abort slogans for your little Amen Corner's approbation. You need to be writing letters of condolence to the distraught leaders and apostles of the aging, atrophying pro-abort movement.

..."Abortion counselors will also tell you that the stigma attached to the procedure is worse than it’s been in years.“When I started as a patient advocate in Ohio in 1996,” says Jeannie Ludlow, a professor at Eastern Illinois University who has written a great deal about abortion,“what I mostly saw were women who were thinking about abortion in individual ways—this is what’s going on in my life, this is what I’m thinking I should do. But by the time I left in 2008, our patients would be saying all that and ‘Oh, and I know I’m going to feel bad for the rest of my life,’ even if they seemed perfectly sure of their choice.”...

"... Generally, science is the friend of progressive political causes. Not this one. As fetal ultrasound technology improved during the nineties, abortion providers, conditioned to reassure patients that the fetus was merely tissue, found it much harder to do so once their patients were staring at images that looked so lifelike. Banking on the emotional power of seeing a beating heart on a television screen—many in the pro-life movement refer to sonograms as “God’s window”—organizations like Focus on the Family began to use this technology to their advantage, sending ultrasound machines to Crisis Pregnancy Centers in an initiative taglined “Revealing Life to Save Life.”...

"NARAL’s Nancy Keenan likes to say that abortion’s biggest defenders right now are a “menopausal militia”—a rueful, inspired little joke. These baby-boomers, whose young adulthoods were defined by the fight over the right to choose, will soon be numerically overtaken by a generation of twentysomethings who is more pro-life than any but our senior citizens. As GOP strategists Christopher Blunt and Fred Steeper have pointed out, this group came of age during the partial-birth debate and was the first to grow up with pictures of sonograms on their refrigerators....

"The Abortion Distortion" -- http://nymag.com/news/features/62379/index5.h...

“A person is a person no matter”

Since: Sep 07

how small.

#31 Oct 30, 2010
Lux et Veritas wrote:
<quoted text>
You're spending way too much time on Topix spouting recycled pro-abort slogans for your little Amen Corner's approbation. You need to be writing letters of condolence to the distraught leaders and apostles of the aging, atrophying pro-abort movement.
..."Abortion counselors will also tell you that the stigma attached to the procedure is worse than it’s been in years.“When I started as a patient advocate in Ohio in 1996,” says Jeannie Ludlow, a professor at Eastern Illinois University who has written a great deal about abortion,“what I mostly saw were women who were thinking about abortion in individual ways—this is what’s going on in my life, this is what I’m thinking I should do. But by the time I left in 2008, our patients would be saying all that and ‘Oh, and I know I’m going to feel bad for the rest of my life,’ even if they seemed perfectly sure of their choice.”...
"... Generally, science is the friend of progressive political causes. Not this one. As fetal ultrasound technology improved during the nineties, abortion providers, conditioned to reassure patients that the fetus was merely tissue, found it much harder to do so once their patients were staring at images that looked so lifelike. Banking on the emotional power of seeing a beating heart on a television screen—many in the pro-life movement refer to sonograms as “God’s window”—organizations like Focus on the Family began to use this technology to their advantage, sending ultrasound machines to Crisis Pregnancy Centers in an initiative taglined “Revealing Life to Save Life.”...
"NARAL’s Nancy Keenan likes to say that abortion’s biggest defenders right now are a “menopausal militia”—a rueful, inspired little joke. These baby-boomers, whose young adulthoods were defined by the fight over the right to choose, will soon be numerically overtaken by a generation of twentysomethings who is more pro-life than any but our senior citizens. As GOP strategists Christopher Blunt and Fred Steeper have pointed out, this group came of age during the partial-birth debate and was the first to grow up with pictures of sonograms on their refrigerators....
"The Abortion Distortion" -- http://nymag.com/news/features/62379/index5.h...
It is no wonder the pro-aborts don't want to be identified as pro-abort. Not something to be proud of!

However they can't seem to distance themselves from abortion, and even spend countless hours defending the procedure that most of them claim to hate. Many have had abortions themselves and some regularly escort women into the facilities to have a child killed by that one procedure that they themselves claim to want to reduce.

Why?

“A person is a person no matter”

Since: Sep 07

how small.

#32 Oct 30, 2010
cpeter1313 wrote:
You;re like a gum machine; somebody pops a nickel up your ass and you'll pop out a PLM propaganda point.
<quoted text>
Well cpeter, you are like a pro-abort who defends the killing of the innocent child who is growing and developing in the womb of his or her mother. I think it is far better to be on the side of life and understand those pro-life points.
Go Huskers

United States

#33 Oct 30, 2010
Lux et Veritas wrote:
<quoted text>
You're spending way too much time on Topix spouting recycled pro-abort slogans for your little Amen Corner's approbation. You need to be writing letters of condolence to the distraught leaders and apostles of the aging, atrophying pro-abort movement.
..."Abortion counselors will also tell you that the stigma attached to the procedure is worse than it’s been in years.“When I started as a patient advocate in Ohio in 1996,” says Jeannie Ludlow, a professor at Eastern Illinois University who has written a great deal about abortion,“what I mostly saw were women who were thinking about abortion in individual ways—this is what’s going on in my life, this is what I’m thinking I should do. But by the time I left in 2008, our patients would be saying all that and ‘Oh, and I know I’m going to feel bad for the rest of my life,’ even if they seemed perfectly sure of their choice.”...
"... Generally, science is the friend of progressive political causes. Not this one. As fetal ultrasound technology improved during the nineties, abortion providers, conditioned to reassure patients that the fetus was merely tissue, found it much harder to do so once their patients were staring at images that looked so lifelike. Banking on the emotional power of seeing a beating heart on a television screen—many in the pro-life movement refer to sonograms as “God’s window”—organizations like Focus on the Family began to use this technology to their advantage, sending ultrasound machines to Crisis Pregnancy Centers in an initiative taglined “Revealing Life to Save Life.”...
"NARAL’s Nancy Keenan likes to say that abortion’s biggest defenders right now are a “menopausal militia”—a rueful, inspired little joke. These baby-boomers, whose young adulthoods were defined by the fight over the right to choose, will soon be numerically overtaken by a generation of twentysomethings who is more pro-life than any but our senior citizens. As GOP strategists Christopher Blunt and Fred Steeper have pointed out, this group came of age during the partial-birth debate and was the first to grow up with pictures of sonograms on their refrigerators....
"The Abortion Distortion" -- http://nymag.com/news/features/62379/index5.h...
Great post!!!!

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#34 Oct 30, 2010
For the same reason a woman will take a friend to get a biopsy even though she wants breast cancer to be reduced, idiot. We wouldn't need to escort women if you savages could let these women conduct their business in peace. But instead, they need escorts so they can get from their car to the door without being swarmed by ignorant freaks trying to interfere with their lives.
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>It is no wonder the pro-aborts don't want to be identified as pro-abort. Not something to be proud of!
However they can't seem to distance themselves from abortion, and even spend countless hours defending the procedure that most of them claim to hate. Many have had abortions themselves and some regularly escort women into the facilities to have a child killed by that one procedure that they themselves claim to want to reduce.
Why?

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#35 Oct 30, 2010
Eventually, they'll run out of nickels, I guess.

You think you insulted me? Call me what you will--I've been called worse by better people than you. Being pro-abortion is no different than being pro-appendectomy, pro-rhinoplasty, or pro-resection. I'm all for safe medical procedures that make the life of the patient easier, healthier, or happier.
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>Well cpeter, you are like a pro-abort who defends the killing of the innocent child who is growing and developing in the womb of his or her mother. I think it is far better to be on the side of life and understand those pro-life points.
A Christian

Chicago, IL

#36 Jan 21, 2011
Abortion is wrong - period.

“A person is a person no matter”

Since: Sep 07

how small.

#37 Jan 21, 2011
cpeter1313 wrote:
For the same reason a woman will take a friend to get a biopsy even though she wants breast cancer to be reduced, idiot. We wouldn't need to escort women if you savages could let these women conduct their business in peace. But instead, they need escorts so they can get from their car to the door without being swarmed by ignorant freaks trying to interfere with their lives.
<quoted text>
We all know you want to keep women from knowing the truth about what they are about to do, because if they know what they are about to do to the rest of their lives and the lives of the child growing and developing in the womb, they won't go through with the abortion, and thats bad for the abortion business and the millions of dollars that are made for the sake of killing.

“A person is a person no matter”

Since: Sep 07

how small.

#38 Jan 21, 2011
cpeter1313 wrote:
Eventually, they'll run out of nickels, I guess.
You think you insulted me? Call me what you will--I've been called worse by better people than you. Being pro-abortion is no different than being pro-appendectomy, pro-rhinoplasty, or pro-resection. I'm all for safe medical procedures that make the life of the patient easier, healthier, or happier.
<quoted text>
One patient, one victem, unless the mother dies or is wounded, like the abortionist who was just arrested because of his greed, calousness and complete diregard for life. I guess he found a nice home in the arms of the pro-abort industry.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#39 Jan 21, 2011
You're not smart enough to tell anyone else what "the truth" i; you are just arrogant and chock-full of slogans.

Who the hell are you to determine that women are too stupid to know what they are doing without your input?
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>We all know you want to keep women from knowing the truth about what they are about to do, because if they know what they are about to do to the rest of their lives and the lives of the child growing and developing in the womb, they won't go through with the abortion, and thats bad for the abortion business and the millions of dollars that are made for the sake of killing.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#40 Jan 21, 2011
He wasn't a doctor, and he was NOT supported by the pro-choice movement. His main support would have been the state inspectors, who didn't do their job for over a decade. He's no more a part of us than you say Roedel is part of you.
marysaidyes2life wrote:
<quoted text>One patient, one victem, unless the mother dies or is wounded, like the abortionist who was just arrested because of his greed, calousness and complete diregard for life. I guess he found a nice home in the arms of the pro-abort industry.

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