Iowa's Concealed Carry Law

[no4gman]

The Dubuque Telegraph Herald has been lying about concealed carry in Iowa for several weeks.

Just in Sunday's paper, they have an editorial stating that the local Sheriff should decide whether you get a concealed carry permit, even if you pass the required training, testing, and background checks.

The result of this Sheriff's "Discretion" at deciding who does and does not get a carry permit, is the Unequal Protection of Iowa citizens under the law. We have 99 county Sheriff's out there enforcing this law in different, unequal, and discriminating ways.

For the Dubuque TH to attack a gun rights group by effectively call them liars, without presenting any evidence, is evidence of a local so-called newspaper with an anti-gun bias.

If the Dubuque Telegraph Herald wanted to gain any credibility back, they would do some investigative reporting by researching all 99 counties in Iowa to obtain the facts - then report on the facts.

Until then, the Dubuque TH isn't even worthy for my cat to go on.

[no4gman]

As a follow-up to the above post:

1. The 2nd Amendment of the US protects our Right to Bear Arms?

2. Article I Section 1 of the Iowa Constitution protects the rights of persons in enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness.

3. The 14th Amendment of the US which provides for the Equal Protection of citizens under the law.

4. Article I Section 6 of the Iowa Constitution which states that:“ the general assembly shall not grant to any citizen, or class of citizens, privileges or immunities, which, upon the same terms shall not equally belong to all citizens”.

5. Iowa Code 724.7 gives law abiding citizens in Iowa the right to carry a concealed weapon.

6. 99 County Sheriffs in Iowa currently enforce 724.7 in completely different ways.

The House Bill HF2092 still unfortunately leaves discretion with the Sheriff to issue or not issue a permit. This Bill does:

Standardize the training and live fire testing requirements in all 99 counties.

Thus public safety is improved.

How can anyone be against enforcing existing laws? And how can anyone be against improving public safety, which is what HF 2092 would do?

[no4gman]

Here's a link to the Dubuque TH newsrag article attacking Iowan's right to carry a concealed weapon:

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm...

And here is the HF 2092 Bill. Not too long. Read it and see if the Dubuque TH is telling the truth or lying about this Bill. Then when you confirm the Dubuque TH is lying about this Bill, ask yourselves why they would do this.

http://coolice.legis.state.ia.us/Cool-ICE/def...

[no4gman]

HF 2092 still leaves discretion with the local Sheriff, to decide if you get a concealed carry permit or not.

The Dubuque TH is lying about this. Here's the appropriate section of HF 2092:

5 4 724.11 ISSUANCE OF PERMIT TO CARRY WEAPONS.
5 5 1. Applications for permits to carry weapons shall be made
5 6 to the sheriff of the county in which the applicant resides.
5 7 Applications from persons who are nonresidents of the state,
5 8 or whose need to go armed arises out of employment by the
5 9 state, shall be made to the commissioner of public safety. In
5 10 either case, the issuance of the permit shall be by and at the
5 11 discretion of the sheriff or commissioner, who shall, before
5 12 issuing the permit, determine that the requirements of
5 13 sections 724.6 to 724.10 have been satisfied.

http://coolice.legis.state.ia.us/Cool-ICE/def...

[LHG]

No4gman,

It's clear the Dubuque Telegraph Herald and the local Sheriff do NOT want anyone to carry a concealed weapon.

They should be honest and come out and say that the laws of Iowa should be violated because.

Why?

I said Because.

The Iowa sheriff just has to say No. Why? Because the law gives the sheriff that discretion.

And Gman, you are correct. HF2092 does NOT take away the discretion of the Sheriff. It just makes the training and testing standardized.

[Wahawk]

Ok, let me ask a couple of questions.

How many of our other rights, in The Bill of Rights, are "determined" for us by the Sheriff?

The Dubuque Telerats Herald says:

"This is an answer in search of a problem.

Citizens elect sheriffs to protect and serve the community. Who better to determine whether an individual should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon?"

I say, who is better to protect our 1st Amendment rights? No newspaper articles should be published until the local Sheriff approves them. Who knows what kind of dangerous lies could be spread if we don't have all articles reviewed and approved by the local Sheriff?

When the Dubuque Newsrag says there is no problem, from THEIR point of view that would be true.

You see, the Dubuque Newsrag doesn't think ANYONE should have a concealed carry permit. So, having a Sheriff like Ken Runde deny most concealed carry applications is just what the Newsrag likes to see.

No matter that our Rights are being violated and all those laws No4gman above cites are simply ignored by the "discretion" of the Sheriff.

[Wahawk]

And the Newsrag outright LIES about their NOT being a problem.

See this map:
http://www.iowacarry.org/counties%20map.html

Where's the investigative journalism to refute the information at the above link? The TH has nothing but lies.

[James]

You realize you're posting an editorial. I read the paper often, and I recall they also did a news article on the bill which gave your group some considerable talk time.

no4gman wrote:

Here's a link to the Dubuque TH newsrag article attacking Iowan's right to carry a concealed weapon:
http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm...
And here is the HF 2092 Bill. Not too long. Read it and see if the Dubuque TH is telling the truth or lying about this Bill. Then when you confirm the Dubuque TH is lying about this Bill, ask yourselves why they would do this.
http://coolice.legis.state.ia.us/Cool-ICE/def...

[James]

Warhawk. Same comment as above to you, a San Fransisco poster.

Wahawk wrote:

And the Newsrag outright LIES about their NOT being a problem.
See this map:
http://www.iowacarry.org/counties%20map.html
Where's the investigative journalism to refute the information at the above link? The TH has nothing but lies.

[James]

the NEWS article:

http://www.thonline.com/store/view.cfm...

[no4gman]

James what group would you be talking about?

Yes I realize the Dubuque paper is entitled to their "opinion". However, they have responsibility as a newspaper, IF they want to have any credibility, to report the facts.

The fact is the current concealed carry law is not enforced equally by all 99 counties in Iowa, therefore the citizens of Iowa do not have Equal Protection Under the Law. The Dubuque rag of a newspaper is lying about this.

Is Equal Protection Under the Law not important to you?

It is the law of the US and of the state of Iowa.

Some would have the law violated to suit their own political agenda. The Dubuque TH and Sheriff Ken Runde are just two examples.

[no4gman]

It's very interesting to note the comments of a FEW sheriffs in Iowa who oppose this law.

HF 2092 does NOT take away the Sheriffs' discretion in issuing a permit. It does require the Sheriff to provide a written reason for any denial of a permit.

Now, if a Sheriff is denying concealed carry applications, what would they have to fear in providing a written reason for the denial?

Could it be they are unreasonably denying applicantions? Hmmmm.......

I would be worried if my Sheriff had something to hide.

[HunterBob]

The bill, now HF2613, is defective. It requires the sheriff to issue concealed weapons permits to people convicted of assault and harassment. Convicted felons and those committed to mental institutions are barred but severely mentally ill persons will get permits if they haven't been committed (getting committed is rare these days). The bill will give the sheriff no grounds to deny a permit except for a short list of very serious problem people. Contrary to the above posters, the bill requires no justification whatsoever to carry a concealed loaded gun. How would you like to have a fender-bender with someone carrying a hidden loaded gun who is severely mentally ill person or has been convicted of assault? I support gun ownership but this bill will create public safety problems. Everyone should oppose it.