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Willow

Orion, IL

#21 Dec 6, 2009
<<<You said - "It is not me that coninues to state I believe in a God other than the God of the bible,... The bible was their version." Please help me understand what you are saying here.>>>

My belief: There is one creator,(God, Lord, Almighty, The All) religions are a path that has a behind us and ahead of us road. Religion is a study of how we got where we are, and what is ahead. These paths lead to knowledge of the All and all that is. There are many paths leading to our Creator. There are many learning lessons along this path.

Christians state 'their' path is the one and only true path, all others are false. Their god will send you to this 'hell' should you take a path different than their path. So, now I think. Do I actually believe in a differnt god or are the christians simply wrong about their own god?
Willow

Orion, IL

#22 Dec 6, 2009
<<<As for your standard of right and wrong, you still have not given me an answer as to where "do no harm" came from. Was it invented by man? Was it something that just evolved? It had to come from somewhere.>>>

Not quite certain what I'm getting into here, but eh, I'll bite.:) It's possible that bad behavior is learned.'do no harm' is good behavior. We were born good, imo. We are born with love built into us. We do not harm what we love. It is a life lesson that is repeatedly learned, and one that we teach to our children.

Are you really asking me what religion I subscribe to? I really dont want to go there, others have silenced us for hundreds of years. Reasonable conversation/debates end and the attacks begin.
trueevangelist

Mobile, AL

#23 Dec 7, 2009
Willow wrote:
<<<You said - "It is not me that coninues to state I believe in a God other than the God of the bible,... The bible was their version." Please help me understand what you are saying here.>>>
My belief: There is one creator,(God, Lord, Almighty, The All) religions are a path that has a behind us and ahead of us road. Religion is a study of how we got where we are, and what is ahead. These paths lead to knowledge of the All and all that is. There are many paths leading to our Creator. There are many learning lessons along this path.

Christians state 'their' path is the one and only true path, all others are false. Their god will send you to this 'hell' should you take a path different than their path. So, now I think. Do I actually believe in a differnt god or are the christians simply wrong about their own god?
Willow,

Thanks again for helping me understand where you are coming from. Actually, the word Religion comes from two Latin words "Re" meaning back and "Legos" meaning a binding. So, religion literally means a binding back, or to bind back. Now the question to be asked is, "be bound back to what or who?" And why the need to be bound back?

As for "Christians" state this or that. I use that term loosely, because the majority who claim to be Christians are not, and the path that they try to portray as the one, is not found in the Bible, but in their man-made creed books.
trueevangelist

Mobile, AL

#24 Dec 7, 2009
Willow wrote:
<<<As for your standard of right and wrong, you still have not given me an answer as to where "do no harm" came from. Was it invented by man? Was it something that just evolved? It had to come from somewhere.>>>
Not quite certain what I'm getting into here, but eh, I'll bite.:) It's possible that bad behavior is learned.'do no harm' is good behavior. We were born good, imo. We are born with love built into us. We do not harm what we love. It is a life lesson that is repeatedly learned, and one that we teach to our children.
Are you really asking me what religion I subscribe to? I really dont want to go there, others have silenced us for hundreds of years. Reasonable conversation/debates end and the attacks begin.
Willow, I'm not trying to discover what religion you subscribe to, I'm simply trying to figure out where your standard of right and wrong comes from. Everyone has a standard, its just interesting to me to find out what others think about where it came from. Did they just come up with it themselves, or did it come from their parents, or the people they associate with.

You say you believe in "a" Supreme Being, just not the one from the Bible. You say you believe that the Supreme Being created all things, including mankind I would presume. Since the Supreme Being had a purpose in creating the universe, and creating us, would it not be reasonable to conclude that He would also create within each of us the our conscience, intellect, reasoning power, power to choose?
trueevangelist

Mobile, AL

#25 Dec 7, 2009
Willow wrote:
<<<From my observation, a cult is any group that does not promote study, or free thinking, but demands that its members give up reason and only adhere to what their leader tells them.(EX: David Koresh, Jim Jones, Jehovah's Witnesses, the Catholic Church, etc.). That is the only touch stone that I need to know whether a group is cult like.>>>
It now appears I have found someone I can learn from. Please know up front that I cannot be converted, my belief in god is too strong. My fear of the chatholic church is also strong. You follow the teachings of the bible and have these views? Right now I'm confused and need to read your writtings a few more time.
Willow, I have no fear of the Catholic Church for they are only made up of men. As long as The Supreme Being is with me, I can do all things.
Willow

Orion, IL

#26 Dec 7, 2009
<<<He would also create within each of us the our conscience, intellect, reasoning power, power to choose?>>>

Most definately.

<<<Willow, I have no fear of the Catholic Church for they are only made up of men. As long as The Supreme Being is with me, I can do all things.>>>

That would be sweet. Honestly, what a difference life would be if so many people were not frightened and controlled by them. Use their free will and thinking. Time for me to stop, thinking of them fills me with negativity.
Willow

Orion, IL

#27 Dec 8, 2009
Are you from the Dubuque area? If yes, were you born here?

Didn't the catholics put the scrolls of the bible together?(I'm thinking of ex: Book of Thomas)

Once when living in a more..."diversed" southern community I went into a relious store to purchase a catechism study book and was told that it was a christian store, I'd have to seek out a catholic store. Do you have any idea of why this comment was made?

I was forced to serve time in a catholic school. My closest friend is from Germany, they picked her up on Monday mornings and held her captive until Friday evenings.(slight humor)

It must be my early childhood teachings that give me difficulty understanding what a 'christian' is. I was taught a non catholic was a pagan. Trust me, non-catholics do not consider themselves pagan.

So, what in your opinion is a christian?

And thanks for your time.
trueevangelist

Mobile, AL

#28 Dec 9, 2009
Willow,1

Well, my first try at answering you didn't work, so I'll try it again. don't ya just hate it when that happens and now I hope I can get all my good thoughts back.

Any who - to answer your question about my location - I am in Dubuque. Been here over 3 years after moving up from Texas. Love the area.

The Cathlic Church likes to make the claim that they gave the world the Bible. That claim is false, sense it is God who gave it to the prophets of the Old Testament, and the Apostles of the New Testament. It was these 40 men who recorded God's words so that we could know His will, and as well as our purpose in life.

It may be true that "members" of the Catholic Church pulled together the New Testament scrolls to put them into one book, but the Jews had already compiled the Old Testament.

Concerning the "Christian" book store verses the Catholic Book store. There is a difference, as I have noticed since coming to Dubuque. "Christian" book stores have more Protestant Denomination doctrine, and some Catholic, where the Catholic book stores have NO protestant books, and all Catholic books.

I am sorry for your experience with the Catholic Church. Not having a Catholic background it is hard for me to relate to exactly what you may have faced. All I know is what ex-Catholics have told me. I'm ex-Presbyterian myself.

But the question about what a "Christian" is, can be found in the book that you may not want to hear about, but it is the only book that I trust and turn to. The Bible - the Word of God.

In Acts 11:26 we are told, "....and the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."

Antioch was a town located in modern day Syria.

So what is a disciple? A follower of some person and their teachings.

Therefore, these followers (disciples)- who happened to be following Jesus, began to be called "Christ-ian" at Antioch. Meaning that they were specifically followers or disciples of Christ. That's not my opinion, that's biblical fact.

My opinion doesn't count for anything.
trueevangelist

Mobile, AL

#29 Dec 9, 2009
Willow,

True, the Catholic Church may refer to all outside Catholicism as pagan, but what are they? Read 2 Thessalonians 2:1-11 and let me know who you think that prophecy is speaking of.

How do you make a Christian? A follower or disciple of Jesus Christ? Again, it matters not what I or any other man or woman says, it only matters what the Word of God says.

I'm sure you believe and understand the law of nature concerning sowing (planting) and reaping.

You plant a tomatoe seed and you know that you can expect to reap (harvest) some brand of tomatoes. You know that the law of nature won't fool you and give you a pumpkin - unless of course the package was mislabeled - right?

The same is true in the spiritual realm. God's same law of sowing and reaping applies. In Luke 8:11-15, Jesus says that His Word (New Testament) is the seed and is planted into the hearts of men. The hearts of men are like the various soils, rocky, thorny, wayside and good. Only the good soil allows the seed (gospel) to grow in his/her heart and to movtivate them to obey God. The others do not.

So the gospel is the seed, that when planted in our hearts, is able to produce a Christian, a follower of Jesus alone. Not a follower of the Pope, or Joseph Smith, or John Calvin, or Martin Luther, etc. What is required to make a Catholic?

The catechism - right? What is required to make a Mormon? The Book of Mormon. What is required to make a Methodist? The Methodist Manual. And so on down the line of denominations.

So to make a true Christian, all you need, and all you must follow is the New Testament - period.

I'm sorry for the sermon, but I wanted to answer your question as completely as I could.
j man

Bettendorf, IA

#31 Dec 9, 2009
Grant Jeffreys"The mysterious Bible codes",proof of the bible as true. Hes a great prophecy author.
trueevangelist

Mobile, AL

#32 Dec 10, 2009
j man wrote:
Grant Jeffreys"The mysterious Bible codes",proof of the bible as true. Hes a great prophecy author.
A great "prophecy" author as in fiction author?
Willow

Orion, IL

#33 Dec 13, 2009
Just had a chance to drop by tonight/morning. Dont' think your words are wasted. I'll have to respond possibly tomorrow...overly tired right now. My brain is really stuck on 'what makes a christain'.

BB
trueevangelist

Mobile, AL

#34 Dec 15, 2009
Willow wrote:
Just had a chance to drop by tonight/morning. Dont' think your words are wasted. I'll have to respond possibly tomorrow...overly tired right now. My brain is really stuck on 'what makes a christain'.
BB
Just take your time and reason through it.
trueevangelist

Mobile, AL

#35 Dec 22, 2009
Still reasoning?
trueevangelist

Mobile, AL

#36 Jan 2, 2010
Need some help?
trueevangelist

Mobile, AL

#37 Jan 7, 2010
I guess Willow is stumped. Didn't mean to overload the gray matter.
Willow

Orion, IL

#38 Jan 12, 2010
haha

No, dont need help and finished reasoning some time back.:) But thanks for the concern! It was a confusing area for me, many that call themselves christian, have differing views and doctrines. However they all believe there is one correct path and their's is the one correct path.

I am understanding your path to be one the follows the bible and no man-made rules.

The reason for my lack of posting was the holiday season is a very busy time for me. Extremely busy. Then again I should have replied that you have given me some good insight.

This exchange was never intended for me to voice my opinion on the bible or christian belief. Simply found you to be a little different than many others I've had unfortunate exchanges with.

Stumped is not the word I would use to describe my situation. Voicing my opinions/thoughts without critizing another's belief is my situation. Find a word for that and I'll be happy to use it.
trueevangelist

Mobile, AL

#39 Jan 15, 2010
Thank you for your kind words.

I find that opinions are like noses, everybody has one, and mine certainly is not any better than the next persons. But if I stay strictly with the Word of God, then I have a better chance of getting things right.

Hope your holidays were great.
christian

United States

#41 Jan 21, 2011
amen

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