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addy

Dubuque, IA

#1 Dec 2, 2009
The gospel is very simple and straight forward. I will explain it in four steps. Two of these steps will be bad news, then two parts of good news.
First of all everyone is a sinner. This is explained in Romans 3:23 which says “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” No matter how good you are, you cannot match up to Christ’s perfection. It is as if we had a rock. We were trying to throw this rock from Dubuque to the Atlantic Ocean. Now you might throw it farther then I or I might throw it father then you. Either way it does not really matter. Neither of us can hit the Atlantic Ocean from here. That is how God views us. No matter how good we try to be, we cannot match up to His goal.
Secondly, the wages of sin is death. This is stated in Romans 6:23a which says “for the wages of sin is death.” Our wage is what we’ve earned. We’ve worked at this, because no one is perfect. With your job, your employer gives you pay based on what you do. God does this as well. However, God’s wages are much more serious. The wages are death.
Now these are very bad news. However, we now come to the good news part. First of all, Christ died for you. In Romans 5:8 it says “but God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” Here is an illustration to help with this. Imagine that you are in the hospital, dying of cancer. But I came in and told you that I was going to take the cancer cells from you. The only thing is that in order to do that, I have to take the cancer in my body. So I would literally be dying in your place. Well that’s what Jesus did when He was crucified.
Well maybe now you’re asking “Now what?” this is where the second part of the good news is important. You can be saved through faith in Christ. In Ephesians 2:8-9 it says “for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, let anyone should boast.” This is shown by an illustration of a chair. If you’re sitting down then you have faith in that chair. You were not probably here when it was made, and you probably didn’t have it tested before you sat down. You simply trust the chair to hold you. That is what Jesus does. He supports you, all you need to do is ask Him.
Willow

Orion, IL

#2 Dec 3, 2009
I once sat in a chair and it broke?
Willow

Orion, IL

#3 Dec 3, 2009
<<<I have to take the cancer in my body.>>>

I saw the Green Mile too!!!! It was a good movie!
Willow

Orion, IL

#4 Dec 3, 2009
<<<First of all everyone is a sinner. This is explained in Romans 3:23 which says “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” No matter how good you are, you cannot match up to Christ’s perfection.>>>

Does this mean Christ is god? I thought we were all god's children? Why is Christ so special?
Willow

Orion, IL

#5 Dec 3, 2009
Oh, and do you think you have a different god than I do? My god created this world, and doesn't consider me a sinner.

Thanks!
Jeremy

United States

#6 Dec 3, 2009
the invisible piss of the holy ghost
comes down like acid rain
they're making a bonnet of terminal guilt
the scavengers go on parade

the fathers who write that eternity
is used to fight the sword
have filled you up with the devil's cock
and he'll come in the name of the lord
Willow

Orion, IL

#7 Dec 4, 2009
And Addy it's about time you christians stop attempting to frighten so many people. I'm tired of keeping silent! God will not burn us on fire, God does not consider us sinners, God does not want us to worship a building with stained windows, and God never did care if we ate meat on Fridays! And further more, I don't think God is impressed with the life style the pope is living or us kissing his hand OR nuns losing millions of dollars. Or the molesting of little boys!
trueevangelist

Mobile, AL

#8 Dec 4, 2009
addy,

That is quite an interesting story, however you left out a few things. It appears that you are of the "faith only" group, only you really don't believe in faith only, because you need to add other things to "only."
trueevangelist

Mobile, AL

#9 Dec 4, 2009
Willow,

I agree with you, concerning the building, the Pope, meat on fridays and such. They are not found in the Bible anywhere. However, you are mistaken about God's punishment of those who will not believe Him and obey Him. And yes, those who have not obeyed Him are sinners. If not, please give us book, chapter and verse.
Willow

Orion, IL

#10 Dec 5, 2009
Evangelist

I cannot give you book, chapter, and verse because you are referrng to the bible. The bible is a book that I do not believe is god's word. I believe it to be an interesting book, possibly a very good book written by supposed good people. And those that attempt to follow the bible, imo, are trying to live a decent life. They simply have differing views than I have. I have great interest in the bible since it is part of my ongoing studies.

I practice other forms of Divination. They lead me to other beliefs. As a human I am constantly on a learning path, and when I see comments as the first one in this line of posts I become vocal at times. I am a mother. My child does wrong. I continue to teach him/her the correct path. I will not burn my child in enternal fire. There is no way to convince me god would be cruel, or I would be more loving than god. You say there is punishment for those that do not believe in god, well I believe. Hwever my belief in god is different than yours. And you actually believe god has determined me to be a sinner because people long ago ate fruit from a tree? Or, because people long ago disobeyed?

What you consider a sin, I consider a learning lesson.
trueevangelist

Mobile, AL

#11 Dec 5, 2009
Willow,

From where do your standards of right and wrong hale? If you do not believe in the God of the Bible (which by the way is His recorded revelation to mankind - not a man invented book) then from where do you get the idea that there is a God at all?
trueevangelist

Mobile, AL

#12 Dec 5, 2009
Willow,

Please don't mix me up with all the denominations who have put aside the Bible with their own creed books and invented doctrines that the Word of God has never taught.(EX: inherited sin).
Willow

Orion, IL

#13 Dec 5, 2009
<<<From where do your standards of right and wrong hale? If you do not believe in the God of the Bible (which by the way is His recorded revelation to mankind - not a man invented book) then from where do you get the idea that there is a God at all?>>>

My hope is to word this so later it wont sound as if I am contradicting. I am not perfect at putting my thoughts/opinions into word. Not the greatest at articulation.

I believe in a creator, thus God, Lord, Creator. The engineering and design is too great for any other belief for me. It is not me that coninues to state I believe in a God other than the God of the bible, it is the christians. They have convenienced me. I used to think we simply had differing versions. The bible was their version.

We are given gifts (tools) sight, thought process, logic, intuition, conscious, emotions. It took me many years to conclude if we are born pure and learn bad behavior verses the opposite.

I believe we were given this planet to enjoy and learn lessons from while living this cycle. Also, we do not desire to harm another. That is a learned behavior. So my standards of right and wrong stem from: An it harm none, do as you will.
Willow

Orion, IL

#14 Dec 5, 2009
<<<Please don't mix me up with all the denominations who have put aside the Bible with their own creed books and invented doctrines that the Word of God has never taught.(EX: inherited sin).>>>

I find you very insightful. One that I would turn to for questions.

To become one of my faith, one must first study various religious beliefs for a minimum of one year. Many in my path find it very important to teach our children of other religious beliefs. Thus when I do come across post/people like you I tend to listen more eagerly.

I fear religious cults, especially for our children. I fear doctrines. Do you know the ten warning signs of a cult?
Willow

Orion, IL

#15 Dec 5, 2009
I am still thinking about this post! Just because a person says something doesn't make it correct!

<<<<You were not probably here when it was made, and you probably didn’t have it tested before you sat down. You simply trust the chair to hold you.>>>

Many people DO test chairs without even thinking about it, they use their hand before sitting down. You've never seen a broken leg on a chair? Never saw a lawnchair break?
Willow

Orion, IL

#16 Dec 5, 2009
And come on!

<<<Imagine that you are in the hospital, dying of cancer. But I came in and told you that I was going to take the cancer cells from you. The only thing is that in order to do that, I have to take the cancer in my body. So I would literally be dying in your place.>>>

What are you saying? Show me when/where is took place.
trueevangelist

Mobile, AL

#17 Dec 6, 2009
Willow wrote:
And come on!
<<<Imagine that you are in the hospital, dying of cancer. But I came in and told you that I was going to take the cancer cells from you. The only thing is that in order to do that, I have to take the cancer in my body. So I would literally be dying in your place.>>>
What are you saying? Show me when/where is took place.
The guy is simply trying to give an example in place of Christ going to the cross in our place. The problem with his and many others in the denominational world, is that they stop at having to do anything to obtain the benefits of what Jesus did at the cross.
trueevangelist

Mobile, AL

#18 Dec 6, 2009
Willow wrote:
<<<Please don't mix me up with all the denominations who have put aside the Bible with their own creed books and invented doctrines that the Word of God has never taught.(EX: inherited sin).>>>
I find you very insightful. One that I would turn to for questions.
To become one of my faith, one must first study various religious beliefs for a minimum of one year. Many in my path find it very important to teach our children of other religious beliefs. Thus when I do come across post/people like you I tend to listen more eagerly.

I fear religious cults, especially for our children. I fear doctrines. Do you know the ten warning signs of a cult?
Thank you very much for that comment. My only purpose is help others in their journey to find truth. I'm not sure that I agree with needing to study every religious belief, but if one needs to do that to make sure they have found the one true way, then I would hope that they are able to do so. I also hope that studying the various religions does not lead to confusion and never finding the truth.

As for the ten signs of a cult. I have seen some lists by denominational preachers that basically say that anyone who does not believe their way is a cult.
But let me ask you this - do we need a list of ten things to determine a cult? From my observation, a cult is any group that does not promote study, or free thinking, but demands that its members give up reason and only adhere to what their leader tells them.(EX: David Koresh, Jim Jones, Jehovah's Witnesses, the Catholic Church, etc.). That is the only touch stone that I need to know whether a group is cult like.
trueevangelist

Mobile, AL

#19 Dec 6, 2009
Willow wrote:
<<<From where do your standards of right and wrong hale? If you do not believe in the God of the Bible (which by the way is His recorded revelation to mankind - not a man invented book) then from where do you get the idea that there is a God at all?>>>
My hope is to word this so later it wont sound as if I am contradicting. I am not perfect at putting my thoughts/opinions into word. Not the greatest at articulation.
I believe in a creator, thus God, Lord, Creator. The engineering and design is too great for any other belief for me. It is not me that coninues to state I believe in a God other than the God of the bible, it is the christians. They have convenienced me. I used to think we simply had differing versions. The bible was their version.
We are given gifts (tools) sight, thought process, logic, intuition, conscious, emotions. It took me many years to conclude if we are born pure and learn bad behavior verses the opposite.
I believe we were given this planet to enjoy and learn lessons from while living this cycle. Also, we do not desire to harm another. That is a learned behavior. So my standards of right and wrong stem from: An it harm none, do as you will.
I totally understand trying to put your thoughts in the right words, my fingers seem to never listen to my brain. lol

So you believe in a Supreme Being, who is responsible for having created all that our five senses can take in. He is just not the God of the Bible?

You said - "It is not me that coninues to state I believe in a God other than the God of the bible, it is the christians. They have convenienced me. I used to think we simply had differing versions. The bible was their version." Please help me understand what you are saying here.

I do agree with you that God has given us this planet to live on and enjoy. He did create it for a purpose - giving us the perfect environment for preparing our soul for eternity. You may not believe this - but the Bible teaches that at some point in the future, when men and women have come to the point of refusing to learn of God's will, that He will send Jesus to judge the world and then the universe as we know it will cease to exist, and heaven and hell will be the eternal abodes of everyone who has ever lived.

As for your standard of right and wrong, you still have not given me an answer as to where "do no harm" came from. Was it invented by man? Was it something that just evolved? It had to come from somewhere.
Willow

Orion, IL

#20 Dec 6, 2009
<<<From my observation, a cult is any group that does not promote study, or free thinking, but demands that its members give up reason and only adhere to what their leader tells them.(EX: David Koresh, Jim Jones, Jehovah's Witnesses, the Catholic Church, etc.). That is the only touch stone that I need to know whether a group is cult like.>>>

It now appears I have found someone I can learn from. Please know up front that I cannot be converted, my belief in god is too strong. My fear of the chatholic church is also strong. You follow the teachings of the bible and have these views? Right now I'm confused and need to read your writtings a few more time.

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