Owner of cabin burned in the Fern Lake fire to return to Estes Park

Full story: Estes Park Trail-Gazette

Corningware and a chimney are all that remain of a cabin lost early Saturday morning to the resurgent Fern Lake Fire.
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1 - 19 of 19 Comments Last updated Dec 10, 2012
Would have been great

United States

#1 Dec 6, 2012
to have profiles of the 20 families that lost their homes or second homes in June
I tend to agree

Estes Park, CO

#2 Dec 6, 2012
The second fire is always the one that gets more attention, and the victims of the first fire largely ignored. This is because the press is slow to get organized, and it takes awhile to recognize what people are actually interested in, not fake briefings or arguments about how a fire can be moving west when the prevailing wind is west to east.
Will

Fort Worth, TX

#3 Dec 6, 2012
This was a good article, but it would have been better if it had told us exactly where the cabin was.
Hmmmm

Estes Park, CO

#4 Dec 6, 2012
Fires travel up hill, the fire was in the bottom of a canyon that runs up hill to the west, diurnal windflows are up drainage. The prevailing winds do not always drop down into the canyons. That is how a fire can travel opposite the "prevailing winds" that may not penetrate below the tops of the trees.
Paradox diurnal flows

Estes Park, CO

#5 Dec 6, 2012
I am sure this all contributed to the "perfect storm" picture that the ROMO officials paint.

Perhaps you could somehow work "flux capacitor" into this explanation, and I would not be laughing so hard at your stupidity.
So how did the fire

Fort Collins, CO

#6 Dec 7, 2012
move east last Saturday? How did it move both downhill and east? How did it manage to fool everyone and suprise everyone? Is it a living fire? Is it a renegade fire, a rogue fire, the perfect storm fire? Will people write books in the future about what an unpredictable fire it was, how it was a miracle of firedom?
Hmmmm

Estes Park, CO

#7 Dec 7, 2012
So how did the fire wrote:
move east last Saturday? How did it move both downhill and east? How did it manage to fool everyone and suprise everyone? Is it a living fire? Is it a renegade fire, a rogue fire, the perfect storm fire? Will people write books in the future about what an unpredictable fire it was, how it was a miracle of firedom?
At night diurnal flows move down slope, down valley. This, in conjunction with high winds that surfaced, threw embers into the grass, which is not sheltered. I'm not crazy, this is basic fire weather/behavior that is taught to fire fighters. Classes: S190, S290, S390. You can take the first two on line if you want to learn more about fire weather and behavior. While this event was unfortunate, it did allow the firefighters to access a lot of the fire in areas where it was now safer to work and have a better chance of holding the fire. Look at what happened Sunday night, same or stronger winds and the fire did not move as it was sheltered by the tree canopy.
Just trying to state some facts and provide some resources to look up.
Hmmmm

Estes Park, CO

#8 Dec 7, 2012
Paradox diurnal flows wrote:
I am sure this all contributed to the "perfect storm" picture that the ROMO officials paint.
Perhaps you could somehow work "flux capacitor" into this explanation, and I would not be laughing so hard at your stupidity.
No paradox. Diurnal- time of day- the heating and cooling of the earth by the sun creates winds independent of weather systems, uphill in the day, down hill at night. Talk to a wild land firefighter.
Theo spot weather

Estes Park, CO

#9 Dec 7, 2012
Forecast for the fire that night did not call for winds as high as what occurred. One can find so many things with a bit of research on the Internet.
Forecast

United States

#10 Dec 7, 2012
I would definitely base all my decisions on a forecast. In fact, if I were you, I would plan on ending it shortly before the Mayan calendar predicts the end of the world. Better safe than sorry. Could you please tell me why, as a firefighter, you are posting on this forum rather than actually fighting the fire. Oh, that's right, because you work for the National Park Service.
Theo spot weather

Estes Park, CO

#11 Dec 8, 2012
Forecast wrote:
I would definitely base all my decisions on a forecast. In fact, if I were you, I would plan on ending it shortly before the Mayan calendar predicts the end of the world. Better safe than sorry. Could you please tell me why, as a firefighter, you are posting on this forum rather than actually fighting the fire. Oh, that's right, because you work for the National Park Service.
Who says I'm not fighting the fire? There is a 2:1 work:rest ratio rule, and Internet is everywhere :) or maybe I am a retired firefighter. Or maybe I have EDUCATED myself about wildfires. Google this: Standard Firefighting Orders. Yes-there is one that says know what your fire is doing at all times; but people do have to sleep, even firefighters.. Did they have someone watching it at night? I would bet yes, which is how the evacuation alert probably went out.
John Holmes

Louisville, CO

#12 Dec 8, 2012
Almost ALL of this was preventable. If, of course, the "firefighters" just put this thing out in the first place, then these nice peoples home might still be there! My condolences to this family.

Plus, us folks downwind would not have had to breathe this smoke for the past 2 1/2 months.

Shame on the "controlled burn" advocates.

www.prescribedburns.com
Melt Bilton

United States

#13 Dec 9, 2012
I have to think, given the Park's inaction over the past two months, that they actually wanted it to become a much bigger fire. Good for the depressed winter economy (ask all the local hotels and restaurants about the increase in business due to taxpayer supported firefighters coming in from all over the country). This was a veiled way to boost the local economy in the dead of winter, clean out some dead trees, and get the grandfathered cabins out of ROMO in the bargain.

It worked. Our town has never had more tax revenue in December, and we are getting national publicity.

Can't wait for next year's fire. When Estes Park burns, think of the boost to all the furniture shops and contractors out there.
Dan Gilroy

Estes Park, CO

#14 Dec 9, 2012
All of these firefighters posting nonsense should either mount up and leave or sack up and put this thing out.

Starting fires or not barely fighting them just to keep the overtime pay rowling in should be fround upon.
JustSayinEP

Fort Collins, CO

#15 Dec 9, 2012
John Holmes wrote:
.........
Shame on the "controlled burn" advocates.
More so, shame on all the lard butt, mouth breathing second guessers.
Someone with some experience and knowledge of fire behavior and micro-clime weather events posts here and gets slammed, while the rest of you lazy turds sit there - after not doing a thing to protect this community - and bitch.
JustSayinEP

Fort Collins, CO

#16 Dec 9, 2012
Dan Gilroy wrote:
All of these firefighters posting nonsense should either mount up and leave or sack up and put this thing out.
Starting fires or not barely fighting them just to keep the overtime pay rowling in should be fround upon.
Dan, besides sitting inside all warm and cozy today, just what are YOU doing to protect the community? You are an ungrateful jerk!
Dan Gilroy

Estes Park, CO

#17 Dec 9, 2012
I'm out ringing the bell for the Salvation Army kettle. Will I see you doing any outdoor charity work in the next 50 years? Or does Beckley, West Virginia, just throw your sister out there in a hiked-up skirt and everyone has a go for a few bucks, you included?
Yes

Estes Park, CO

#18 Dec 10, 2012
Dan Gilroy wrote:
I'm out ringing the bell for the Salvation Army kettle. Will I see you doing any outdoor charity work in the next 50 years? Or does Beckley, West Virginia, just throw your sister out there in a hiked-up skirt and everyone has a go for a few bucks, you included?
Where is this happenening? Serious question, haven't had a go in quite a while and Beckley's sis is calling my name
JustSayinEP

Fort Collins, CO

#19 Dec 10, 2012
Generally we just hold the "ho down" behind my barn on Old Man Mountain Road.

I am semi-retarded so you will have to spell your name out real slow for me to get you on the list.

Plus I get a free one every other time between sucessful intromission.

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