Smoke from Big Meadows fire visible in Estes Park

Significant smoke, rapidly increasing in size from the Big Meadows Fire is visible in the Estes Valley. Full Story
Estes Resident

Estes Park, CO

#1 Jun 11, 2013
Is this another small fire going out of control?? If the Park can't extinguish a fire as small as this, we are all in big trouble.
Luckily

Estes Park, CO

#2 Jun 11, 2013
Evacuation won't until months from now, after it has burned all of ROMO to cinders
Another Estes Resident

Denver, CO

#3 Jun 11, 2013
You would think that they learned a lesson from the Fern Lake fire, but I'm not holding my breath.
Yesterday

Estes Park, CO

#4 Jun 11, 2013
A firefighter was killed by a snag(dead tree) in California. If you see the picture in the other story, this fire is burning into one giant snag patch. You all are very quick to risk other people's lives.
AER

Denver, CO

#5 Jun 11, 2013
Yesterday wrote:
A firefighter was killed by a snag(dead tree) in California. If you see the picture in the other story, this fire is burning into one giant snag patch. You all are very quick to risk other people's lives.
Sad as it is, this is what the fire fighters are paid to do, knowing well they are putting their lives on the line for us. Would you be happy if they just LET IT BURN and risk many lives in the process? Look what happened with the Fern Lake fire, just because they took a wait and see attitude. Fortunately it didn't reach the town. I find it hard to understand your train of thought. You more than likely didn't get an evacuation notice last year. I DID!
Yesterday

Estes Park, CO

#6 Jun 11, 2013
I did too, all part of the risk of choosing to live here. My home, much less dead trees, are not worth a life
Two acres

United States

#7 Jun 12, 2013
what is that, about two football fields?

Since some people apparently don't want to risk a life to put out a fire the size of two football fields (have you heard of air tankers, or does the risk of flying a plane not justify actually flying that plane?), maybe you would allow us to go and thin this dead forest rather than pay billions in taxpayer dollars to have the firefighters stand around and not risk their life?
People

Estes Park, CO

#8 Jun 12, 2013
are just so clueless when it comes to fires and fighting them. It drives me a little crazy. All the expert arm chair fire fighters here should be signing themselves up.

Seriously? Your attitude is they should just send in firefighters and planes? Even though high winds make it dangerous for people to be in the area. Smoke jumpers should just be dropped a few miles upwind right? Then they can just drift and make a safe landing near the fire. Get a clue people. Fires are a naturally occurring event that can be unpredictable and uncontrollable. Especially after a number of decades of not allowing natural fires to thin forests. But yes, lets risk people's lives just so your house doesn't burn. Risking many lives would be sending in firefighters in these types of conditions. They aren't just at risk from the fire, heat exhaustion, dehydration and heat stroke are all very real threats to these people. With rescue made even more challenging by the remoteness of the fire and the challenges of getting access.

You will have ample time to get yourself out of the way of the fire. Something that cant be said for the men and women who do risk their LIVES to protect your PROPERTY. Maybe instead of bitching about it on the ep trail forum you should go volunteer and see what YOU can do to help.
One thing I would love to

Estes Park, CO

#9 Jun 12, 2013
do before the next fire of two acres is ignored and spreads to 2000 acres is be allowed to go in and cut down the dead trees and use them in my fireplace.

Heat exhaustion? You've already got them heat exhausted before they ever set foot in the place? Please. That's like saying we shouldn't be playing the NBA finals because the players are dehydrated at the end of the game. That's what they signed on for.
So now you are

Fort Collins, CO

#10 Jun 12, 2013
also a lumberjack!

map of the fire:
http://inciweb.nwcg.gov/photos/CORMP/2013-06-...

Why do I doubt that the troll - possibly house-bound in his mother's basement - would never be found cutting trees at close to 10,000 feet elevation at a location 5 miles from the nearest road? Do you hear bluster? Do you hear an unreasonable whiny complainer who wants 100% perfection even though no such thing exists? I sure do!
One thing I would love to wrote:
do before the next fire of two acres is ignored and spreads to 2000 acres is be allowed to go in and cut down the dead trees and use them in my fireplace.
Heat exhaustion? You've already got them heat exhausted before they ever set foot in the place? Please. That's like saying we shouldn't be playing the NBA finals because the players are dehydrated at the end of the game. That's what they signed on for.
Perhaps you should

Estes Park, CO

#11 Jun 12, 2013
volunteer to help instead of assigning yourself the unpaid role of apologist for everyone and everything your follow with blind devotion.

Remember the advertisment about walking a mile for a Camel. Well, I can tell you, me and all my friends would walk a bunch of miles for free firewood, and I know a lot of others would as well, because it would be a great way to make money and not have to pay for heat in the winter, instead of having to watch our taxes go up from trees burning and well paid fireman standing around worrying about getting their fingernails ashy.
Again

Estes Park, CO

#12 Jun 12, 2013
Perhaps you should wrote:
volunteer to help instead of assigning yourself the unpaid role of apologist for everyone and everything your follow with blind devotion.
Remember the advertisment about walking a mile for a Camel. Well, I can tell you, me and all my friends would walk a bunch of miles for free firewood, and I know a lot of others would as well, because it would be a great way to make money and not have to pay for heat in the winter, instead of having to watch our taxes go up from trees burning and well paid fireman standing around worrying about getting their fingernails ashy.
Just take a minute and use that thing in your head before you open your mouth. You probably don't do much tree work or hiking do you? The effort it would take you to even make the smallest dent in one little area of the park is astronomical. I guarantee that you wouldn't be able to haul even one tree's worth of material a mile along a paved road. Much less multiple miles over rough, rugged terrain at high elevations. That also includes your gear (saws, blades, gas etc...). Plus what would you do with all the slash? Just leave it there to dry and add to the fire risk is my guess. It's a really dumb idea. It's ok to admit it.

You also clearly don't know much about heat exhaustion and other risks associated with high heat, low humidity climates. They aren't heat exhausted as the go in. And comparing firefighters risking their lives with dehydrated basketball players has got to be one of the most asinine comparisons ever. Not worth the time to respond to such drivel.

Do you think firefighters on the ground really just like to stand around? Do you really think they are worried about "getting their fingernails ashy"? Grow up dude. Learn about the topics before spewing nonsense. You have made a big enough fool out of yourself. Get a fukkking clue idiot!
Umm well

Estes Park, CO

#13 Jun 12, 2013
Glad to see you have been reduced to cursing. That usually indicates you have reached the end of your knowledge, which was admittedly superficial.

If I one person removes 1 dead tree, 1 million people could remove 1 million dead trees. How many visitors were there to Rocky last year? If you said to them, hey, admission fee is half if you remove a tree, how many of them would take advantage of it. I would take advantage of it every day, until I suffered from heat exhaustion. I would sell the lumber or firewood, because it would bring in hefty profit. How much do you get for a burning tree? None. This is an exothermic waste, on top of we have to pay people like you to stand around and do nothing.
I would

Estes Park, CO

#14 Jun 12, 2013
Like to know how many of the commentators here have actually been working on a small fire and been hit with 40 mph winds while surrounded by dead trees. I have. And i can tell you for a fact that helicopters do not put fires out 2 acre fires ( size it was when firefighters arrived) on their own. My creds? 400+ fires in 10 different states over 13 years, been hit by snags and nearly killed. The first priority on any fire is life safety balanced with measured risk. Yes, we do get hurt and killed, but none of us signed up to be killed. We will take the appropriate risk to stop the fire where we can, mitigating as much risk as we can. Google the 10&18 and their history, read fatality case studies, educate yourself, understand the different missions of National Parks and Forest Service.
Not criticizing anyone here, just stating my opinions and my background on the subject.
Interesting how

Estes Park, CO

#15 Jun 13, 2013
firefighters have so much time for social media.

Good things our WWII vets didn't tell their commanders: Hey, I didn't sign on for getting killed, so leave me alone while I bitch here on Facebook for the fifth time today about how people are complaining that we're not out on the front lines doing our job.

None of this would be a problem if the national park would allow removal of dead trees by paper companies and firewood providers.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#16 Jun 13, 2013
Pathetic little troll. You really don't have a clue, do you?
Seriously, corporate logging in a national park? Local lumberjack wannabes like yourself running loose cutting wherever/whenever they please?

Back to school for you, troll, and learn what national parks are all about, and how they are different from national forests. Perhaps you should read up on the 1964 Wilderness Act while you're at it.

"The 1916 Organic Act tells us that the purpose of the National Park Service is: "to conserve the scenery and the natural and historic objects and the wild life therein and to provide for the enjoyment of the same in such manner and by such means as will leave them unimpaired for the enjoyment of future generations."
Bi-Polar troll wrote:
....nonsense snipped......
None of this would be a problem if the national park would allow removal of dead trees by paper companies and firewood providers.
Beckleys Back

United States

#17 Jun 13, 2013
Hey Becker, how is you sister this morning? Still sore from last nights romp with you and your uncle?
What are we leaving for future generations, char?
Seems like thinning the fuel load would help preserve something for future generations.
Oh, you were asking about the validity of over the counter pregnancy tests earlier, I think you need to worry more about genetic testing. Obviously your older sister is quite fertile, she had you, didn't she?

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