School Committee OKs new contract

Full story: Lowell Sun

The School Committee swiftly inked two three-year contract agreements with district administrators and a new superintendent, but negotiations with the teachers' union remain at a standstill.
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Lowell, MA

#1 Dec 16, 2010
Article mentions that " teachers are looking for 15% over 3 years". First that figure is inaccurate. The writer should have talked to the teachers Union rather than guessing at it.

Second, the article neglected to mention that the School Committee is offering 0% the first year, 0% the second year and 0% the third year. In other words, 0% for the last 21 months( going on TWO YEARS). Nothing.

These are bargaining postions. The SC position is insulting and all five of them are acting like bullies in the school yard.
Meanwhile they continue to add on responsibilities.
union GREED ALERT

Dracut, MA

#2 Dec 16, 2010
teacher negotiations wrote:
Article mentions that " teachers are looking for 15% over 3 years". First that figure is inaccurate. The writer should have talked to the teachers Union rather than guessing at it.
Second, the article neglected to mention that the School Committee is offering 0% the first year, 0% the second year and 0% the third year. In other words, 0% for the last 21 months( going on TWO YEARS). Nothing.
These are bargaining postions. The SC position is insulting and all five of them are acting like bullies in the school yard.
Meanwhile they continue to add on responsibilities.
be happy you have a job, parasite
Want to know

Chelmsford, MA

#3 Dec 16, 2010
Seems like the teachers are spending a lot of time calling the Sc names,including bullies, and liars.. hm pretty tough words from one side, the other says they appreciate the teachers and the times are tough.. For those of us who read the newspapers and understand the economy my vote is with the School Committee. Teachers should reach an agreement.
sillyunions

United States

#4 Dec 16, 2010
The Chelmsford SC is finally making sense. Thank you for restoring some rationale and common sense - taxpayers do appreciate your efforts.
solution

Waltham, MA

#5 Dec 16, 2010
This should be pretty simple. We just saw the school superintendent get a 3.3%/3 year deal and the administrators take 3 x 1% annual increases. If the teachers want a 3 year deal, they can have 1%/1%/1.5%. That's better than anyone else got. If that's not enough, they can take a shorter deal and see how the economy is in a year or two. How hard was that?
re solution

Lowell, MA

#6 Dec 16, 2010
Nice solution, EXCEPT the Chelmsford School Committee won't budge. They haven't moved in close to 2 years. Ask them when then is an ideal time for a raise , and they look at you dumbfounded In the last 2 years the teachers have had a 0% increase, and have been more than patient.
Good Part

Lowell, MA

#7 Dec 16, 2010
The good part is that knowing how stubbon the School Committee is , we can vote them out first chance we get.At worst make them spend a lot of money to get re-elected.

ps: Im not a teacher, so dont start with the crap. The teachers are too good for that.I know there are those out there dying to make the teachers the villians.
What

Lowell, MA

#8 Dec 16, 2010
re solution wrote:
Nice solution, EXCEPT the Chelmsford School Committee won't budge. They haven't moved in close to 2 years. Ask them when then is an ideal time for a raise , and they look at you dumbfounded In the last 2 years the teachers have had a 0% increase, and have been more than patient.
Welcome to the real world idiot.
no more union looting

Dracut, MA

#9 Dec 16, 2010
Good Part wrote:
The good part is that knowing how stubbon the School Committee is , we can vote them out first chance we get.At worst make them spend a lot of money to get re-elected.

ps: Im not a teacher, so dont start with the crap. The teachers are too good for that.I know there are those out there dying to make the teachers the villians.
re: ps: Im not a teacher, so dont start with the crap

ha ha ha, it was the first thing that came to my mind and your post instantly answered it - I believe you!

I like your style (really!)
tired

Chelmsford, MA

#10 Dec 16, 2010
re: solution
It would seem to be simple, and the teachers would most likely be thrilled to be offered 3% over 3 years, but that has yet to happen. Instead, it is less than 1% over three years AND please pay more for your health insurance, AND accept a health plan with lower coverage, AND add in these additional responsibilities. And please stand by while we tell the public that you are greedy and selfish for not being grateful.
Tired of mudslinging

Chelmsford, MA

#11 Dec 16, 2010
tired wrote:
re: solution
It would seem to be simple, and the teachers would most likely be thrilled to be offered 3% over 3 years, but that has yet to happen. Instead, it is less than 1% over three years AND please pay more for your health insurance, AND accept a health plan with lower coverage, AND add in these additional responsibilities. And please stand by while we tell the public that you are greedy and selfish for not being grateful.
Are you sure your leadership has been honest with you about what the SC has offered? I would guess that they have offered the same thing the administrator's got. Usually, all of the school union's end up with the same percentage raise as the teacher's eventually get. And I believe that the administrator's accepted the change in health coverage that was offered to the teacher's.

Additional responsibilities? You're right, the town shouldn't expect you to do any more, we know how hard the adjustment has been for the teacher's to work that extra 5 minutes a day!!! Don't want to put too much more on them!
36 year old

Groton, MA

#12 Dec 16, 2010
Ok, pretty simple. What did the seniors in Chelmsford get last year for a raise in their social security check? Let me give you the answer to save you time. 0%.

How about this coming year. Again 0%.

There is no cost of living raise. So as educators you should see the economics teacher in the high school and ask him or her to give you a quick lesson.

Their health insurance went up and their property tax went up 2.5%.

You should go over to the senior center and ask them to sit at the bargaining table. Maybe you will open your eyes and see the light.

I respect teachers because half of my family is in the profession, but I must say that the ones losing are the students.

Greed or ignorance. I still can not determine which one.

Open the negations for the public to see, then you can get a fair and balance deal. Remind me again who pays teachers salaries?

Merry Christmas to all.
tired

Chelmsford, MA

#13 Dec 17, 2010
Actually, in 22 months, the school committee has made NO official offer to the teachers. What I quoted were the verbal offers that have been discussed during negotiations, and it has not changed.
I know that people love to out that teachers only work 7 hours per day, have summers off, and all the rest. Anyone in the profession will tell you that a teacher's day does NOT end at the end of the contracted day.
Want to know

Chelmsford, MA

#14 Dec 17, 2010
I would like to know who told the members of the teachers union that the health insurance would cost them more money out of pocket. They should go speak to the other groups who have switched insurance instead of relying on rumors. According to everyone it saves the employees money, and the coverage is excellent.
Want to know

Chelmsford, MA

#15 Dec 17, 2010
Also, What about the steps... isnt that more morney than they got in the previous year, come on People if your pay check increases from one year to the next that is an increase...
no more union looting

Dracut, MA

#16 Dec 17, 2010
36 year old wrote:
Greed or ignorance. I still can not determine which one.
Open the negations for the public to see, then you can get a fair and balance deal. Remind me again who pays teachers salaries?
Merry Christmas to all.
for the smart ones (the minority) it is greed because they know better

for the dolts (the vast majority), it is economic stupidity as well as greed
union GREED ALERT

Dracut, MA

#17 Dec 17, 2010
tired wrote:
re: solution
It would seem to be simple, and the teachers would most likely be thrilled to be offered 3% over 3 years, but that has yet to happen. Instead, it is less than 1% over three years AND please pay more for your health insurance, AND accept a health plan with lower coverage, AND add in these additional responsibilities. And please stand by while we tell the public that you are greedy and selfish for not being grateful.
you are a very greedy person
one more dolt

Lowell, MA

#18 Dec 17, 2010
no more union looting wrote:
<quoted text>
for the smart ones (the minority) it is greed because they know better
for the dolts (the vast majority), it is economic stupidity as well as greed
So everyone excluding yourself is a dolt? You've got the whole world figured out huh? You're so smart you must be the envy of everyone who knows you. So tell us, why do you spend all your time posting here? I would think that someone of your intelligence would have a more significant sphere of influence than a local message board.
no more union looting

Dracut, MA

#19 Dec 17, 2010
one more dolt wrote:
<quoted text>
So everyone excluding yourself is a dolt? You've got the whole world figured out huh? You're so smart you must be the envy of everyone who knows you. So tell us, why do you spend all your time posting here? I would think that someone of your intelligence would have a more significant sphere of influence than a local message board.
re: "I would think"

if you were capable of doing so, you mean?

if you think that there are bigger fish to fry than union greed induced bankruptcy, please let me know what you consider more important

see link as the NY Times recently reported on the unsustainability of the Union Greed State economic model

otherwise, thanks for reading my posts and have a nice day

http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/20...
Tired of mudslinging

Chelmsford, MA

#20 Dec 17, 2010
tired wrote:
Actually, in 22 months, the school committee has made NO official offer to the teachers. What I quoted were the verbal offers that have been discussed during negotiations, and it has not changed.
I know that people love to out that teachers only work 7 hours per day, have summers off, and all the rest. Anyone in the profession will tell you that a teacher's day does NOT end at the end of the contracted day.
There are no rules in mediation that the parties have to submit written offers. You are splitting hairs here. Any verbal offers made in mediation carry the same weight as written offers.

What really bothers me is that you and all of the other teacher's who post here refuse to answer the question of how the town will pay for raises. If you paid attention to the joint meeting on Monday, the town is facing a $1 million shortfall of which the school's portion is usually about 2/3. That would mean an approximately $650,000 deficit in the school budget before raises. Every 1% costs $300,000. The school budget has been cut to the bone - school closings, fees, etc.. Where is the money going to come from? There is nothing left to cut but teacher positions. Would you like to see your colleagues lose their job so that you get your raise?

Pay attention, non-tenured, non-union teacher's. This union is NOT working for you.

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