Embattled Tyngsboro bar for sale

Embattled Tyngsboro bar for sale

There are 75 comments on the Lowell Sun story from Aug 17, 2010, titled Embattled Tyngsboro bar for sale. In it, Lowell Sun reports that:

Less than a year since Tram Dang bought a quiet neighborhood bar and transformed it into a restaurant-pub and live-music night spot that drew neighbors' complaints, Thirsty's owner appears to be tapping out.

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justonemore

Billerica, MA

#41 Aug 17, 2010
rob hynes wrote:
I sense I rattled someones cage. That was my exact intention neighbor. With any luck at all I'll be seeing you sson!
I had an offer in on this location before the current owners bought it. It sure was nice of them to fix it all up and get the live entertainment license for me. I'll buy it from them for a fraction of what I offered the previous owners being that nobody will have the cojones and deep pockets that I have to be able to make this thing a success.
My biggest motivation now is to **** off the neighbors. You thought you had it bad with this owner, wait until you have someone in there who knows their rights and has the money and know how to back them up!
Rob, We hope to see you the night of your grand opening..Good luck Buddy!
Bob B

Mattapan, MA

#42 Aug 18, 2010
I liked it when Tim owned the sports center. It was well run, everything was scheduled correctly and he had an excellent staff. It turned into crap when he sold the business.
Feel bad for Owner of Bar

Nutting Lake, MA

#44 Aug 18, 2010
You bought your house knowing a bar was there. It is wrong that this person has gone through so much to make a run at this business to have the town back these neighbors. This is not a new bar. That bar has been there for YEARS!! Shame on Tyngsboro, no one is going to want to do business in town.
Lets all go to Thirstys

Nutting Lake, MA

#45 Aug 18, 2010
Let's show the town that there is nothing wrong with a bar here. There used to be 2 others right next to it which are both gone. If you were looking to move into a quiet neighborhood you should not of moved next to a bar.
townie

Mattapan, MA

#46 Aug 18, 2010
Bob B wrote:
I liked it when Tim owned the sports center. It was well run, everything was scheduled correctly and he had an excellent staff. It turned into crap when he sold the business.
What does this have to do with the thread? Other than they got a liquor license and if you thought Thirsty was bad, wait until you see the sports center selling to underage kids which make up 90 percent of their business. what was the town thinking? oh the sports center is also in the adult zone so that should be interesting to see what it turns into. maybe the new owner is trying to bailout because business has taken a dive.
rob hynes

Sutton, MA

#47 Aug 18, 2010
justonemore wrote:
<quoted text>
Rob, We hope to see you the night of your grand opening..Good luck Buddy!
I will be sure to post here when we sign the papers. I am going to give it a week before I put in my offer because an article like this in the paper right now could bring a lot of lowballers to the table offering the assessed value ($262,000) on the property. I will time my offer next week in the range of $350,000 which is what they paid for it. If they are smart they will accept my offer because nobody will pay more for it than they paid for it. The market is declining and renovations do NOT add value. I'm a savvy investor and I look forward to owning this heap! I hope you will all come to visit us once we open to join me in saying hello to my new neighbors! Ask for me, Rob, and I'll even buy you a beer.
Sally

Lexington, MA

#48 Aug 18, 2010
It is not the business owners problem that the residents of the neighborhood are not happy, it is the town for letting a Bar/Pub to operate and have a licence !!!!!
ringo

Dracut, MA

#49 Aug 18, 2010
i think if the owners of the bar were white there would be no problem
my guess is the neighbors are racist
Tyngsborough

Londonderry, NH

#50 Aug 18, 2010
The state's Alcoholic Beverage Control Commission conducted an undercover compliance check at Thirsty's during which alcohol was sold to a minor. And what was the consequence to the bar for not checking the minor's ID? A three day license suspension which will be held "in abeyance for a period of two years provided no further violations occur".
So breaking the law and getting caught is not a problem as long as you don't do it again during a specified period?
Mulsi

Pleasanton, CA

#51 Aug 18, 2010
I live close to this bar and though it is not clear if the customers coming out of this place are a nuisance to the neighborhood or not, late night drivers driving like crazy and throwing litter on people's lawns have become commonplace.

Getting a good night's sleep on weekends has become a problem.

Not a good place to have a bar.
Concerned neighbor

Tyngsboro, MA

#52 Aug 18, 2010
As neighbor to Thirsty's I feel that I needed to voice my opinion. I am far enough away that I honestly have never heard or seen anything that has concerned be about the operation of the bar. However, that is not to say that others have not witnessed such behaviors.

What bothers me is the repeated sentiment that since there has "always" been are bar there then that deems that there SHOULD always be a bar there. I understand that at one point this neighborhood consisted mostly of camps and bars but that is not the case now. It is mostly year round residential homes. Homes of hard-working, property owning, TAX PAYERS. Yes, some homes are run-down but a most people put a lot of hard work, money and pride into their homes and ABSOLUTELY have the right to express concerns about any business in their neighborhood.

Yes, people bought their house near a bar but it was a quiet watering hole and if the accusations against Thirsty's are valid then they changed the game. I do understand the point of view that revenue brought in from taxes are beneficial but there is a flip side to that....many people feel that having a bar in a residential neighborhood drives property values down and hence lowering the property taxes that could be collected. I think the bottom line is that Tyngsboro has more than enough places to grab a beer. I think overall the neighbors would like to see a more family friendly establishment in the area.

I also have to add that there was opposition was from the very beginning and the current owners knew that prior to purchasing the property. I could use same reasoning that others have used against the neighbors in saying they bought a bar in a neighborhood that they knew they weren't welcome in. What did THEY expect??? In the end though Thirsty's got the proper licensees and their doors were opened to the public. It is no one's fault but their own if they didn't follow the law.
rob hynes

Sutton, MA

#53 Aug 18, 2010
Mulsi wrote:
I live close to this bar and though it is not clear if the customers coming out of this place are a nuisance to the neighborhood or not, late night drivers driving like crazy and throwing litter on people's lawns have become commonplace.
Getting a good night's sleep on weekends has become a problem.
Not a good place to have a bar.
Correction: not a good place to have a house. Guess what though. When you bought your house you paid less than you would have if it was on a cul-de-sac away from business zoned properties. You pay a premium for locations like that where you saved money by choosing to bear with it. That is a sacrifice you made, not the bar, so live with it and quit whining about it. I look forward to upsetting the neighbors even further. Be good to me and I'll be good to you. Upset me and I will upset you twofold. I am a firm believer in two eyes for an eye. Don't cross me though and we'll have no problems. Cross me and that is a battle you can not afford to win. My money will outlast yours.
ringo

Dracut, MA

#54 Aug 18, 2010
rob hynes wrote:
<quoted text>
Correction: not a good place to have a house. Guess what though. When you bought your house you paid less than you would have if it was on a cul-de-sac away from business zoned properties. You pay a premium for locations like that where you saved money by choosing to bear with it. That is a sacrifice you made, not the bar, so live with it and quit whining about it. I look forward to upsetting the neighbors even further. Be good to me and I'll be good to you. Upset me and I will upset you twofold. I am a firm believer in two eyes for an eye. Don't cross me though and we'll have no problems. Cross me and that is a battle you can not afford to win. My money will outlast yours.
i like your style.
hurry up and buy the place
Paying Attention

United States

#55 Aug 18, 2010
damn wrote:
all that money invested and still no one is happy... I hope the sale goes through and see what the new owners will do.
Yah -- and the place sat empty for how many years?? I guess Tyngsboro has a large enough revenue stream that taxpayers don't mind getting rid of business.
And yes - I drive that road very often -- no large home sale turnovers, so yes - they knew.
Cubby

Cambridge, MA

#56 Aug 18, 2010
I was in thirsty's. The beers were ice cold. My only regret is I didn't drag out any of the wounded gazelle's. You know you gotta drain them pipes. You know what I'm saying?
Paying Attention

United States

#57 Aug 18, 2010
Concerned neighbor wrote:
As neighbor to Thirsty's I feel that I needed to voice my opinion. I am far enough away that I honestly have never heard or seen anything that has concerned be about the operation of the bar. However, that is not to say that others have not witnessed such behaviors.
What bothers me is the repeated sentiment that since there has "always" been are bar there then that deems that there SHOULD always be a bar there. I understand that at one point this neighborhood consisted mostly of camps and bars but that is not the case now. It is mostly year round residential homes. Homes of hard-working, property owning, TAX PAYERS. Yes, some homes are run-down but a most people put a lot of hard work, money and pride into their homes and ABSOLUTELY have the right to express concerns about any business in their neighborhood.
Yes, people bought their house near a bar but it was a quiet watering hole and if the accusations against Thirsty's are valid then they changed the game. I do understand the point of view that revenue brought in from taxes are beneficial but there is a flip side to that....many people feel that having a bar in a residential neighborhood drives property values down and hence lowering the property taxes that could be collected. I think the bottom line is that Tyngsboro has more than enough places to grab a beer. I think overall the neighbors would like to see a more family friendly establishment in the area.
I also have to add that there was opposition was from the very beginning and the current owners knew that prior to purchasing the property. I could use same reasoning that others have used against the neighbors in saying they bought a bar in a neighborhood that they knew they weren't welcome in. What did THEY expect??? In the end though Thirsty's got the proper licensees and their doors were opened to the public. It is no one's fault but their own if they didn't follow the law.
So if you are really a neighbor -- why is the Blue Moon (hmmm....a bar....AND a strip club) OK to have ? It appears the difference is Live music? Your argument might be accepted .....IF you can provide WHAT kind of business COULD go in there?...and of course SURVIVE economically....
If you seriously thought you were buying a house near a "quiet" bar -- I've got some land in Florida I'd like to sell you. HA
Concerned neighbor

Tyngsboro, MA

#58 Aug 18, 2010
Paying Attention wrote:
<quoted text> So if you are really a neighbor -- why is the Blue Moon (hmmm....a bar....AND a strip club) OK to have ? It appears the difference is Live music? Your argument might be accepted .....IF you can provide WHAT kind of business COULD go in there?...and of course SURVIVE economically....
If you seriously thought you were buying a house near a "quiet" bar -- I've got some land in Florida I'd like to sell you. HA
Personally, I would like nothing more than to see the Blue Moon gone. Honestly, I find it an embarrassment to the community. However, I am guessing I would be more successful chasing rainbows than expecting that to happen.

Oh BTW ....I have lived in my home for over 11 years and I can say I NEVER had a problem w/ the Banjo...it WAS quiet and I NEVER had a problem with it....we did buy property by a quiet bar, I don't think, I know.
Concerned neighbor

Tyngsboro, MA

#59 Aug 18, 2010
Oh and P.S. as for economically surviving. My guess is that if Thirsty's was a thriving business then it would not be up for sale..
red

United States

#60 Aug 18, 2010
Paid 350k put 800k into it, and its still a loser there's a big surprise. If I had deep pockets I would keep my pockets full. It will never be successful never ever. Maybe if it merged with the blue moon that could work! thirsty blue moons (sounds like a winner!)
DracutDad

New York, NY

#61 Aug 18, 2010
rob hynes wrote:
Thirstys is a dive bar and I feel bad for the owner but it was a poor investment and a waste of money. Given the circumstances it will sell for less than half of the claimed amount invested.
The neighbors there are idiots though and should have thought things through prior to buying a property near a bar. The bar has the right to operate as a bar and obviously they have the proper live entertainment license and should be able to use it according to their permit without being harassed by the neighbors.
As with any story there is more to it than you are reading here. I hope whoever buys the property has deeper pockets and can afford to fight for what should be a matter of simple right to operate under zoning laws and permitted uses.

Stupid neighbors. Shame on you. You better hope I don't buy the place and I hope it keeps you up at night knowing that I will be putting in an offer.
Keeping my fingers crossed that you do purchase it. Be good to have someone there with a backbone to deal with the town. Cheers!!!

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