Condo owners plead to council

Full story: Lowell Sun

When Julia Paquin bought a condominium in the Grand Manor complex on Willard Street five years ago, she saw it as the investment that would eventually allow her to purchase a house.
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Never a Sullivan Fan

Boston, MA

#1 Jul 14, 2010
"It was a deal struck back in 1972 by the City Manager at the time (Jim Sullivan) that is really bad for the city,"

Nice move Sully
no more looting

Dracut, MA

#2 Jul 14, 2010
I don't think that the fact that these properties were built on former dumps was an unknown thing at the time. These things were/are in plain sight. I think it affected the prices (lowered) dramatically I think.

Tons of land was being reclaimed back in the 70s - it was large scale, somewhat radical and up to the best standards of the day

and it built modern Lowell (for better or worse)

go ahead, sue the city, we are broke
no more looting

Dracut, MA

#3 Jul 14, 2010
re: "It was a deal struck back in 1972 by the City Manager at the time (Jim Sullivan) that is really bad for the city,"

Oh meow, Bernie. Would LOVE to hear Jim Sullivan's rebuttal....
no more looting

Dracut, MA

#4 Jul 14, 2010
Never a Sullivan Fan wrote:
"It was a deal struck back in 1972 by the City Manager at the time (Jim Sullivan) that is really bad for the city,"
Nice move Sully
regarding fans, this is not a football game - is the government
taxpayerfool

Merrimack, NH

#5 Jul 14, 2010
There you have it folks. All in a nut shell. Our elected and selected officials willing to poison families in the name of the almighty dollar.
Never a Sullivan Fan

Boston, MA

#6 Jul 14, 2010
no more looting wrote:
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regarding fans, this is not a football game - is the government
is the government???? What does that mean? You and Sully should go away!!!! Nobody wants to hear from either of you:)
taxpayer

Boston, MA

#7 Jul 14, 2010
no more looting wrote:
I don't think that the fact that these properties were built on former dumps was an unknown thing at the time. These things were/are in plain sight. I think it affected the prices (lowered) dramatically I think.
Tons of land was being reclaimed back in the 70s - it was large scale, somewhat radical and up to the best standards of the day
and it built modern Lowell (for better or worse)
go ahead, sue the city, we are broke
But the people who bought them (especially who bought recently) were unaware it was a dump. The city knew. It's shameful, really.
no more looting

Dracut, MA

#8 Jul 14, 2010
Never a Sullivan Fan wrote:
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is the government???? What does that mean? You and Sully should go away!!!! Nobody wants to hear from either of you:)
I have never met the man and barely remember him in government. I just like to see the arguments confined to arguments, not old, Irish grudges.
re: Nobody wants to hear from either of you
F*ck off
no more looting

Dracut, MA

#9 Jul 14, 2010
Never a Sullivan Fan wrote:
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is the government???? What does that mean?
re: What does that mean

U are stupid, so here goes:

I don't "root" for or against Jim Sullivan

He has long been out of office

Now he comments (from a position of experience, I would think) like anyone else. And people who either spend or benefit from taxpayer money complain about him in the old, nasty Irish way. AD hominum stuff, like u do.

That way, u end up like South Boston...No thanks.
local observer

Dracut, MA

#10 Jul 14, 2010
Never a Sullivan Fan wrote:
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is the government???? What does that mean? You and Sully should go away!!!! Nobody wants to hear from either of you:)
always glad to here from Everett (no, not really)
looting GREED ALERT

Dracut, MA

#11 Jul 14, 2010
re: A special-education teacher, Paquin said she has seen the effects of metal poisoning on children and fears for the children

A "special ed" teacher did that? Metal poisoning? I don't believe her.

re: An environmental consultant for Exxon Mobil, Parker said he wants the state Department of Environmental Protection to "take the hammer and slam it down hard," on the city the same way it would on Exxon in this situation.

So a consultant wants billions of dollars from Lowell? We don't have it
Atlantic Breeze

Boston, MA

#12 Jul 14, 2010
See? This is what I love about Dracut. No one cares about the facts & who is responsible. Seems to always resort to finger pointing and name calling. Apparently no one has manners or a conscience in this town. Wish we decided to buy elsewhere.
Lowell Tax Payer

Montgomery, AL

#13 Jul 14, 2010
It is nice to see the efforts of these folks from Garand Manor. Folks are moving out, walking away from there property to preserve their health and kill there credit.

It appears the city of Lowell is moving like a hurd of turtles.

Folks are moving out. Some folks are trapped because they spent their life savings on this property.

Eventually the complex will be empty and abandoned for the City to take over.

At least Lynch doesn't disagree that it was a former dump that hazardous materials in the soil and on top of the soil thanks to TRC.

There are children playing on the property. Can the City of Lowell see the liability.

Is liability a concern?
Pot Meet Kettle

Tewksbury, MA

#14 Jul 14, 2010
Maybe the City should buy them out. They should only pay an appraised or assessed value, though.
taxpayer

Boston, MA

#15 Jul 14, 2010
looting GREED ALERT wrote:
re: A special-education teacher, Paquin said she has seen the effects of metal poisoning on children and fears for the children
A "special ed" teacher did that? Metal poisoning? I don't believe her.
re: An environmental consultant for Exxon Mobil, Parker said he wants the state Department of Environmental Protection to "take the hammer and slam it down hard," on the city the same way it would on Exxon in this situation.
So a consultant wants billions of dollars from Lowell? We don't have it
No, the consultant doesn't want BILLIONS of dollars from Lowell. Crazy. If you've read anything about this ongoing story/nightmare, the owners want the city to buy them out...$8M max. It's a lot of money, but these owners have been royally screwed. They really have no choice but to abandon the property.

Inspector Claude

Dracut, MA

#16 Jul 14, 2010
The property has building structural issues. Their is a cement slab on the bottom and I believe the thickness of the slab was correct at the time of the build. However, because it resides on a dump site the ground beneath is moving and doesn't have the proper density in the soil to support the slab structure.

In my opinion the city is moving in the wrong direction. With the overwhelming facts and circumstances their is only one way out.

The City has the opportunity to do right. The city should buy out the owners.

The City then should conduct a cost benefit analysis to determine if it could recoup some of their cost by properly removing the contaminated soil and make it relivable again.

They could build high rise apartments for the elderly. They could make the area cement city for a park. The list of ideas to do with the property is endless.

You can not grow any more land in Lowell.

Come to think of it some of this land in question resides in the Town of Dracut.

Did Dracut residence dump trash in this site as well??

I hear that the Grand Manor pays property tax to the Town of Dracut.

Maybe the City of Lowell should approach Dracut for some funds as well. Share the wealth.........

Thanks for listening..........

God in trust
Lowell City Council

Dracut, MA

#17 Jul 14, 2010
The facts at Grand Manor on the Lowell/Dracut line.

1. Former dump site
2. City of Lowell sold it to a developer in 1984 and did not inspect the property to determine if he properly removed the landfill. The developer purchased the property to build on.
3. TRC agrees this land was a former land fill. A city dump. One time the only dump active in the city of Lowell.
4. The property is experiencing structural problems due to the underground being a land fill and not properly supporting the structure.
5. They found unsafe air quality in some of the bottom units in the complex.
6. They found that the entire property is hazardous.

The evidence is overwhelming. Not sure why some attorneys are not jumping at this opportunity.

no more looting

Dracut, MA

#18 Jul 14, 2010
taxpayer wrote:
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No, the consultant doesn't want BILLIONS of dollars from Lowell. Crazy. If you've read anything about this ongoing story/nightmare, the owners want the city to buy them out...$8M max. It's a lot of money, but these owners have been royally screwed. They really have no choice but to abandon the property.
we have to pay $8M because some teacher thinks she is a doctor?

I recall playing in my yard as a kid but NEVER drank the ground water there
True

Winthrop, MA

#19 Jul 14, 2010
let me guess - the condo owners want to be bought out by the City at the price they bought the condos for.

i bet if the market hadn't crashed they would sing a differnet tune.
Tama

Dracut, MA

#20 Jul 14, 2010
Everyone is attacking the city. The city of lowell didn't build these condos. I feel bad for the families affected by this but the burdon shouldn't be on the taxpayers of lowell.

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