Ill. House Approves Legalizing Same-Sex Civil Unions

Nov 30, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: CBS2

The Illinois House has approved a measure to legalize civil unions for same-sex couples.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#37727 Feb 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Gay couples do not just fail in the primary essence of marriage, out of all relationships, they are the oxymoron of marriage.
Quest wrote:
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Hardly.
Gay people have ALL of the same reasons to marry that everyone else has, and their families and children benefit in all of the same ways.
If you believe otherwise, PROVE it.
Inventing silly catch-phrases is not the same thing as proof.
I invented nothing.

I simply stated the bare essence of marriage in clear and established scientific facts.

That includes the scientific absolute that gay couples cannot procreate. A clear distinction from the core essence of marriage.

The proof is already stated, and you have no argument against it.

Smile.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#37728 Feb 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
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Just the facts honey.
Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
<quoted text>
I have no need to show anything you claim......
Smile.
Actually, you do.

You created a phrase, and seem to think that repeating it is enough.

It's not.

If you want to argue that same sex marriages should not be legal, then you really do need prove why.

And you can't.

All the smirking and inappropriate smiling in the world won't make you appear sane, unless you CAN prove that there is some rational reason behind your opinions.

You make them. Now, back them up.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#37729 Feb 17, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, you do.
You created a phrase, and seem to think that repeating it is enough.
It's not.
If you want to argue that same sex marriages should not be legal, then you really do need prove why.
And you can't.
All the smirking and inappropriate smiling in the world won't make you appear sane, unless you CAN prove that there is some rational reason behind your opinions.
You make them. Now, back them up.
He's never been able to state a case against SSM, or even how/why SSM would affect him at all.

Which is why, when I look up from between his legs, I just see a troll.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#37730 Feb 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
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I simply stated the bare essence of marriage in clear and established scientific facts.
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You haven't mentioned a single fact, and you know it. That's why your sanity is in question.

You repeat a meaningless phrase, but no substance. That's not rational.

Neither is the silly "smile" stuff.

It's what you do when you know you don't have anything better, but it doesn't prove you wise, just arrogant and out of touch with what;s going on around you.

I do feel sorry for you. Most of us do. It must be hard to live in a sad little world of your own creation, reaching out for help and attention, but not knowing how to receive it.

Someday, perhaps you will learn to function more successfully in life, and with other people. I hope so.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#37731 Feb 17, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, you do.
You created a phrase, and seem to think that repeating it is enough.
It's not.
If you want to argue that same sex marriages should not be legal, then you really do need prove why.
And you can't.
All the smirking and inappropriate smiling in the world won't make you appear sane, unless you CAN prove that there is some rational reason behind your opinions.
You make them. Now, back them up.
Actually, I went ahead and did explain why. Just for you.

But for some reason you deleted the rest of the post...

Here it is;

Just the facts honey.
Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

Quest wrote:
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We know that you think yourself clever for having thought up this thing, but, so far, you have been unable to point out its basis in any marriage law.
You have been unable to show there sex is prohibited outside of your "constraint" of mating behavior in maqrriage, and you can't prove that any such constraints within marriage are not the sole discretion of any married couple.
And, since not all sexual behavior (or even most) is doing to do a darn thing to support the survival of the species, I think your reliance on evolutionary mating behaviors as a point of law is rather silly.
Care to try again? Using logic, please.

I have no need to show anything you claim. I simply described the bare essence of marriage. It stands on it's own merits.

You only confirm the statement with your 'argument'.

Social scientists assert that marriage would not exist were it not for children. The motivation of mating behavior is simply but powerfully to spread DNA as far and wide as possible. It is why sexual activity often occurs outside marriage with only an unintended consequence of children.

The constraint of marriage is simply to restrain couples to care for their offspring.

I made no attempt to make mating behavior a point of law. That is silly. It is a simple fact that law ignores at it's own peril.

I do commend you for being one of the first on these threads to even attempt a response.

Smile.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#37732 Feb 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
KiMare wrote:
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At it's most basic essence, marriage is distinguished from friendships because it is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior. In other words, it unites a couple and provides the best setting for their children.
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OMG, you are like a parrot. In so many ways.

Yes, gay folks understand the difference between friendships and marriages, though one is best based on the other.

And yes, it unites gay couples in the same way, and provides the best setting for THEIR children.

Thanks for noticing.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#37733 Feb 17, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
You haven't mentioned a single fact, and you know it. That's why your sanity is in question.
You repeat a meaningless phrase, but no substance. That's not rational.
Neither is the silly "smile" stuff.
It's what you do when you know you don't have anything better, but it doesn't prove you wise, just arrogant and out of touch with what;s going on around you.
I do feel sorry for you. Most of us do. It must be hard to live in a sad little world of your own creation, reaching out for help and attention, but not knowing how to receive it.
Someday, perhaps you will learn to function more successfully in life, and with other people. I hope so.
Saying something is meaningless without detailing why is an opinion.

The truth is, you have no logical response to the simple unadulterated truth. That is why it bothers you so much...

Be specific, what don't you understand (smile);

Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#37734 Feb 17, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
OMG, you are like a parrot. In so many ways.
Yes, gay folks understand the difference between friendships and marriages, though one is best based on the other.
And yes, it unites gay couples in the same way, and provides the best setting for THEIR children.
Thanks for noticing.
There is no 'their children' in gay couples.

It is the worst setting for children according to the latest, largest and most scientific setting to date.

Smile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#37735 Feb 17, 2013
latest, largest and most scientific STUDY to date.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#37737 Feb 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
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Be specific, what don't you understand (smile);
Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
Prove it, then we'll talk.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#37738 Feb 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Saying something is meaningless without detailing why is an opinion.
The truth is, you have no logical response to the simple unadulterated truth. That is why it bothers you so much...
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No truth in it. Here's the simple truth:

Marriage is different in every culture.
Mating behavior is different in every culture.
Mating behavior happens outside of marriage as much as inside it.
Marriage law does not enforce certain mating behavior within marriage - such things are decided by the individuals who participate.
Evolution happens without marriage.
Procreation happens without marriage.
Marriage happens without procreation.
Same sex couples who marry can and do procreate.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#37739 Feb 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
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Be specific, what don't you understand (smile);
Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Prove it, then we'll talk.
Giving up already???

SMile.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#37740 Feb 17, 2013
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
No truth in it. Here's the simple truth:
Marriage is different in every culture.
Mating behavior is different in every culture.
Mating behavior happens outside of marriage as much as inside it.
Marriage law does not enforce certain mating behavior within marriage - such things are decided by the individuals who participate.
Evolution happens without marriage.
Procreation happens without marriage.
Marriage happens without procreation.
Same sex couples who marry can and do procreate.
Now you are losing it...

Snicker.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#37741 Feb 17, 2013
Each individual is free to conceptualize marriage for themselves, any way they choose.

But legally, marriage is a fundamental right of the individual.

The only eligibility requirement for fundamental rights is being human.

Reasonable restrictions may be made only when a compelling and legitimate governmental interest can withstand judicial scrutiny. Most can agree with the courts that reasonable restrictions include age, ability to demonstrate informed consent, and not being closely related or currently married. Within those limits, gay people qualify.

While churches may place any restrictions they choose on their own ceremonies, the government can only restrict fundamental rights when a compelling and legitimate justification can be demonstrated.

Procreation ability has never been a requirement for marriage, and therefore fails as a legitimate qualification. Yet even that irrational excuse for discrimination ignores the fact that gay people can and do reproduce, and are raising children either biologically related or adopted. Denial of equal treatment under the law provides nothing to opposite sex couple families. It only harms same sex couple families needlessly.

Gay couples are seeking equally under the laws in effect, in the remaining states that do not yet recognize their marriages, and by the federal government.

Neither tradition nor gender provides a legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of this fundamental right.

As Justice Kennedy wrote about the founding fathers: "They knew times can blind us to certain truths and later generations can see that laws once thought necessary and proper in fact serve only to oppress."

Laws that treat gay people less than equal to straight people are laws that only serve to oppress. It is time to overcome the prejudices we were taught as children and stop harming our neighbors and family members by passing laws that dehumanize and harm gay citizens through denial of the legal equality promised in the founding documents and required by the 5th and 14th amendments to the constitution..
Some Never Came Home

Beacon, NY

#37742 Feb 17, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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Now you are losing it...
Snicker.
Meanwhile back at the ranch, In Valentine vote,Illinois Senate "APPROVES" Gay marriage! So you see Mr./Mrs./Ms. Mangina equality marches on! And there is simply nothing you can do to stop it! It's the right thing to do and the Constitutional thing to do! Your existence is "Moot"! Move along now little "IT"!
squish

Collinsville, IL

#37743 Feb 18, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
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Be specific, what don't you understand (smile);
Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

Giving up already???

SMile.
The sentence you keep parroting makes no sense. Constraint on evolutionary mating behavior? Marriage constrains nothing, married people can and do mate with others.

Care to cite some UNBIASED studies that say gay marriages are bad environments in which to raise children?
just facts

West Union, OH

#37744 Feb 18, 2013
Saluki Rod wrote:
I wonder how long it'll take the Neo-Nazi Far Right Christians to mobilize against this? It's just letting gays be married, what's the big freaking deal? I'm straight, and see no harm to society.
one nation under God that is America. Many folks put God first a and for those that do not that is their choice. However there are consequences to choices we make.
We Christians do tolerate all other choices however we are standing against being forced to approve, promote and otherwise advocate the choices they choose.----We are hated for our stand but that is okay. Stand with God's word we will till Jesus comes.
squish

Collinsville, IL

#37745 Feb 18, 2013
just facts wrote:
<quoted text>one nation under God that is America. Many folks put God first a and for those that do not that is their choice. However there are consequences to choices we make.
We Christians do tolerate all other choices however we are standing against being forced to approve, promote and otherwise advocate the choices they choose.----We are hated for our stand but that is okay. Stand with God's word we will till Jesus comes.

I see your "One Nation Under God" and raise you "separation of church and state"

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#37746 Feb 18, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
Each individual is free to conceptualize marriage for themselves, any way they choose.
But legally, marriage is a fundamental right of the individual.
The only eligibility requirement for fundamental rights is being human.
I don't think your really thought about that assertion...

Most importantly, it makes the word marriage meaningless.

Second, it is not even legally true.

Third, you set your own prejudicial parameters without legitimate cause.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#37747 Feb 18, 2013
Not Yet Equal wrote:
Each individual is free to conceptualize marriage for themselves, any way they choose.
But legally, marriage is a fundamental right of the individual.
The only eligibility requirement for fundamental rights is being human.
Reasonable restrictions may be made only when a compelling and legitimate governmental interest can withstand judicial scrutiny. Most can agree with the courts that reasonable restrictions include age, ability to demonstrate informed consent, and not being closely related or currently married. Within those limits, gay people qualify.
While churches may place any restrictions they choose on their own ceremonies, the government can only restrict fundamental rights when a compelling and legitimate justification can be demonstrated.
Procreation ability has never been a requirement for marriage, and therefore fails as a legitimate qualification. Yet even that irrational excuse for discrimination ignores the fact that gay people can and do reproduce, and are raising children either biologically related or adopted. Denial of equal treatment under the law provides nothing to opposite sex couple families. It only harms same sex couple families needlessly.
Gay couples are seeking equally under the laws in effect, in the remaining states that do not yet recognize their marriages, and by the federal government.
Neither tradition nor gender provides a legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of this fundamental right.
As Justice Kennedy wrote about the founding fathers: "They knew times can blind us to certain truths and later generations can see that laws once thought necessary and proper in fact serve only to oppress."
Laws that treat gay people less than equal to straight people are laws that only serve to oppress. It is time to overcome the prejudices we were taught as children and stop harming our neighbors and family members by passing laws that dehumanize and harm gay citizens through denial of the legal equality promised in the founding documents and required by the 5th and 14th amendments to the constitution..
As to the rest of your post;

SCOTUS has disagreed numerous times, not on a moral basis ever.

The differences between marriage with/without kids and gay couples;
A apple tree bearing fruit.
A apple tree not bearing fruit for some reason.
A walnut tree who never bears any fruit wanting to be a apple tree.
A walnut tree hanging apples on it's branches pretending to be a apple tree.

The claim that if the government doesn't 'require' apple trees to bear fruit, then it is discrimination not to call walnut trees apple trees too is simply silly.

Marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.

Gay couples do not just fail in the primary essence of marriage, out of all relationships, they are the oxymoron of marriage.

Moreover, if you remove the element of procreation, you dumb down marriage to just a friendship. Hardly a cause for government interest, let alone selective discrimination.

Smile.

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