Just saying

Bolingbrook, IL

#1 Oct 5, 2011
Can anyone confirm or deny the rumor I heard? From what I am hearing D.G. passed an ordinance that no billboard/sign could be more than 6ft tall on Ogden. To make matters worse, there is not a grandfather option. All businesses (which there is hardly any) with signs over 6ft must take them down at their own cost.

I REALLY hope that D.G. city council would not be stupid enough to enact such an ordinance
Bob

Morton Grove, IL

#2 Oct 5, 2011
Just saying wrote:
Can anyone confirm or deny the rumor I heard? From what I am hearing D.G. passed an ordinance that no billboard/sign could be more than 6ft tall on Ogden. To make matters worse, there is not a grandfather option. All businesses (which there is hardly any) with signs over 6ft must take them down at their own cost.
I REALLY hope that D.G. city council would not be stupid enough to enact such an ordinance
I think its a great ordinance. Ogden ave looks like crap with the current signage.
Just saying

Bolingbrook, IL

#3 Oct 6, 2011
Bob wrote:
<quoted text> I think its a great ordinance. Ogden ave looks like crap with the current signage.
We are not talking about "replacing" possibly outdated signage. They, the city council, wants all businesses to tear down their signs, at their own cost, to put up signs that may or may not, look more appealing at 6ft tall. How many businesses are on ogden between 355 and D.G. border?.... This is a MAJOR business corridor for D.G. It is not like Butterfield where most of the businesses are office complexes. The businesses on Ogden need the signs to help bring in business. Which in turn will bring more money to D.G. How stupid could the D.G. council be?
Bob

Morton Grove, IL

#4 Oct 6, 2011
Just saying wrote:
<quoted text>
We are not talking about "replacing" possibly outdated signage. They, the city council, wants all businesses to tear down their signs, at their own cost, to put up signs that may or may not, look more appealing at 6ft tall. How many businesses are on ogden between 355 and D.G. border?.... This is a MAJOR business corridor for D.G. It is not like Butterfield where most of the businesses are office complexes. The businesses on Ogden need the signs to help bring in business. Which in turn will bring more money to D.G. How stupid could the D.G. council be?
Like i said before, its a great ordinance. They are attempting to beautify the business district which will bring MORE customers. Customers do not want to shop in an area that looks rundown. Signage like the ones on Ogden make the area look rundown. I think its a great move by the city council.

Since: May 11

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#5 Oct 6, 2011
Bob wrote:
<quoted text> Like i said before, its a great ordinance. They are attempting to beautify the business district which will bring MORE customers. Customers do not want to shop in an area that looks rundown. Signage like the ones on Ogden make the area look rundown. I think its a great move by the city council.
Oh ya, in hard times make the business man spend money to DECREASE his exposure to the public. DUH
Just saying

Bolingbrook, IL

#6 Oct 6, 2011
Bob wrote:
<quoted text> Like i said before, its a great ordinance. They are attempting to beautify the business district which will bring MORE customers. Customers do not want to shop in an area that looks rundown. Signage like the ones on Ogden make the area look rundown. I think its a great move by the city council.
So do you really think some one shops at Wannamakers because of the sign?,,, yet ignores one of the stores in a strip mall because of the less than spectacular signs?.... You make it sound like ogden looks like a ghetto.... Ogden always has been and always will be (well with this new ordancance maybe not always will be)a working class main road. The signs along there are far from in disrepair. Do you really think major shops like the 3-4 auto sales places will want to take down the signs... or will they look at moving to a different location?... What about the small business owner who can not afford to loose the advertisement the large sign gives him?.. Not to mention the cost of removing the sign.

If the council had a grandfather clause in maybe it wouldnt be as bad. But what they are doing hurts businesses at best....
Bob

Morton Grove, IL

#7 Oct 6, 2011
Just saying wrote:
<quoted text>
So do you really think some one shops at Wannamakers because of the sign?,,, yet ignores one of the stores in a strip mall because of the less than spectacular signs?.... You make it sound like ogden looks like a ghetto.... Ogden always has been and always will be (well with this new ordancance maybe not always will be)a working class main road. The signs along there are far from in disrepair. Do you really think major shops like the 3-4 auto sales places will want to take down the signs... or will they look at moving to a different location?... What about the small business owner who can not afford to loose the advertisement the large sign gives him?.. Not to mention the cost of removing the sign.
If the council had a grandfather clause in maybe it wouldnt be as bad. But what they are doing hurts businesses at best....
I never said that a person shops at a store because of the sign. You said that. Ogden ave does look dumpy with all the odd signs competing for view space. As far as the business moving ,it will not happen. The move would cost more than a new sign. Ogden ave a working class road? lol Never heard of that in my 30 yrs of municipal planning experience. It never hurts to improve the looks of a business district. Improving the look of a business district actually increases business. By the way , the trend in municipalities is to do away with large signs in favor of small monument signs.
Bob

Morton Grove, IL

#8 Oct 6, 2011
Just saying wrote:
<quoted text>
So do you really think some one shops at Wannamakers because of the sign?,,, yet ignores one of the stores in a strip mall because of the less than spectacular signs?.... You make it sound like ogden looks like a ghetto.... Ogden always has been and always will be (well with this new ordancance maybe not always will be)a working class main road. The signs along there are far from in disrepair. Do you really think major shops like the 3-4 auto sales places will want to take down the signs... or will they look at moving to a different location?... What about the small business owner who can not afford to loose the advertisement the large sign gives him?.. Not to mention the cost of removing the sign.
If the council had a grandfather clause in maybe it wouldnt be as bad. But what they are doing hurts businesses at best....
If the small business owner cant afford to comply, they should appeal their case to the village. My experience tells me that many owners will cry poor no matter what. Do you know what time frame has been given to the businesses to comply?
Bob

Morton Grove, IL

#9 Oct 6, 2011
Taxpayer for years wrote:
<quoted text>Oh ya, in hard times make the business man spend money to DECREASE his exposure to the public. DUH
Many owners cry in good times DUH
Just saying

Bolingbrook, IL

#10 Oct 7, 2011
Bob wrote:
<quoted text> I never said that a person shops at a store because of the sign. You said that. Ogden ave does look dumpy with all the odd signs competing for view space. As far as the business moving ,it will not happen. The move would cost more than a new sign. Ogden ave a working class road? lol Never heard of that in my 30 yrs of municipal planning experience. It never hurts to improve the looks of a business district.Improving the look of a business district actually increases business. By the way , the trend in municipalities is to do away with large signs in favor of small monument signs.
I never said that a person shops at a store because of the sign.

You said customers do not want to shop in an area that looks run down. To me that implied that they would have a problem with a strip mall with an older sign, but would have no issue shopping next door with a fancier newer sign..... Maybe I read to much into your comment....

As far as the business moving ,it will not happen. The move would cost more than a new sign.

If you want to look in the short run.. maybe. But has there been a study done on long term effects? How much revenue is brought in by people seeing a sign and stopping. A 6ft sign will be hard to see on ogden. The signs not only bring in the people looking for the business, but also those just driving by. The long term effects to the businesses bottem line i guess takes a back seat to a street looking pretty.

It never hurts to improve the looks of a business district.

If the city council is so interested in beautification of ogden, then why dont they do something about the big open lot just east of West Suburban. THAT is an eye sore. But hey lets go after the signs...

You say it is the "trend" to have smaller signs.

1) If so.. looking at the towns around D.G. the trend seems to be let businesses advertise. Look at Roosevelt road, main road of Villa Park and Lombard, or how about Weber or 53 in B.B. all of these tend to go against the "trend"
2) IF it is the "in"thing to do.... SO WHAT.

Also you mention about improving the looks increases sales. That is true in places like down town D.G. or other areas not on major roads. However on Major roads the large signs make it easier to see the businesses as you are going 45 down the road.

You say you are in municipal planning... I guess that would explain why have no problem wanting something to look "pretty" even if it is at the cost of small business..... Ya you will make them more money... I am from the government and I am here to help you.....
Bob

Morton Grove, IL

#11 Oct 7, 2011
Bob wrote:
<quoted text> If the small business owner cant afford to comply, they should appeal their case to the village. My experience tells me that many owners will cry poor no matter what. Do you know what time frame has been given to the businesses to comply?
You are just not making much sense.
Bob

Morton Grove, IL

#12 Oct 7, 2011
Just saying wrote:
<quoted text>
I never said that a person shops at a store because of the sign.
You said customers do not want to shop in an area that looks run down. To me that implied that they would have a problem with a strip mall with an older sign, but would have no issue shopping next door with a fancier newer sign..... Maybe I read to much into your comment....
As far as the business moving ,it will not happen. The move would cost more than a new sign.
If you want to look in the short run.. maybe. But has there been a study done on long term effects? How much revenue is brought in by people seeing a sign and stopping. A 6ft sign will be hard to see on ogden. The signs not only bring in the people looking for the business, but also those just driving by. The long term effects to the businesses bottem line i guess takes a back seat to a street looking pretty.
It never hurts to improve the looks of a business district.
If the city council is so interested in beautification of ogden, then why dont they do something about the big open lot just east of West Suburban. THAT is an eye sore. But hey lets go after the signs...
You say it is the "trend" to have smaller signs.
1) If so.. looking at the towns around D.G. the trend seems to be let businesses advertise. Look at Roosevelt road, main road of Villa Park and Lombard, or how about Weber or 53 in B.B. all of these tend to go against the "trend"
2) IF it is the "in"thing to do.... SO WHAT.
Also you mention about improving the looks increases sales. That is true in places like down town D.G. or other areas not on major roads. However on Major roads the large signs make it easier to see the businesses as you are going 45 down the road.
You say you are in municipal planning... I guess that would explain why have no problem wanting something to look "pretty" even if it is at the cost of small business..... Ya you will make them more money... I am from the government and I am here to help you.....
Your thoughts are all over the board and not making much sense.

Since: Jun 07

Westmont Illinois

#13 Oct 8, 2011
Ogden Av in Downers Grove Illinois is part of a TIF District. The village of Downers Grove has a comprehensive plan in place. The village wants the business's along Ogden Av to improve their properties. Certain improvements will be matched dollar for dollar. All you have to do is Google Downers Grove Illinois Ogden Av TIF District, you will be able to see several documents about it. Here is a link to one of them

Downers Grove Illinois
Ogden Avenue TIF Corridor
Annual TIF Report
Year Ending December 31, 2010
" https://docs.google.com/viewer... :

Since: Jun 07

Westmont Illinois

#14 Oct 8, 2011
The Ogden Avenue TIF Corridor in Downers grove Illinois has been in place since 2001. Within this document

" https://docs.google.com/viewer... "

you will see that any property owner who improves their signage will receive dollar for dollar match grant. Usually when the government gives out money their are strings attached to it. One of those strings may be the size. I have not seen anything yet dictating that the owners have to install new signs. If you have any questions about Downers Grove, pick up the phone and call. The Village of Downers Grove will be more than happy to answer them.
Bob

Morton Grove, IL

#15 Oct 8, 2011
WESTMONT ILLINOIS wrote:
The Ogden Avenue TIF Corridor in Downers grove Illinois has been in place since 2001. Within this document
" https://docs.google.com/viewer... "
you will see that any property owner who improves their signage will receive dollar for dollar match grant. Usually when the government gives out money their are strings attached to it. One of those strings may be the size. I have not seen anything yet dictating that the owners have to install new signs. If you have any questions about Downers Grove, pick up the phone and call. The Village of Downers Grove will be more than happy to answer them.
Great program. Thanks for the info.

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