one year down the road

[carl jackson]

this past tuesday registered one year obama has been in office and damn, everything is STILL BUSH'S FAULT
btw,every single cash for clunker sold during the "clunker improve the economy program" cost the tax payer in america $25000 PER CAR

[Viper]

Correction

He won the election 1 year ago but, did not get sworn in and become President until January 20, 2009.

[Carl the dumbass Jackson]

carl jackson wrote:

this past tuesday registered one year obama has been in office and damn, everything is STILL BUSH'S FAULT
btw,every single cash for clunker sold during the "clunker improve the economy program" cost the tax payer in america $25000 PER CAR

Well your first statement of fact (one year since Obama in office) was completely wrong. Exposes your bias and makes me very suspicious that your second statement is just as false. Care to provide any proof?

[Carl MyNameIsJackson]

carl jackson wrote:

this past tuesday registered one year obama has been in office and damn, everything is STILL BUSH'S FAULT
btw,every single cash for clunker sold during the "clunker improve the economy program" cost the tax payer in america $25000 PER CAR

Gee, I thought President Obama took office on Jan 20th of '09. I may be wrong here but I think it hasn't been a year yet.

Didn't they teach civics in your school?

[Lewholt]

carl jackson wrote:

this past tuesday registered one year obama has been in office and damn, everything is STILL BUSH'S FAULT
btw,every single cash for clunker sold during the "clunker improve the economy program" cost the tax payer in america $25000 PER CAR

Guess he should have borrowed 5 trillion dollars from the Red Chinese like Bush did to get the economy going. So far, Obamas been a bargain.

[NoDoubt]

Lewholt wrote:

<quoted text>Guess he should have borrowed 5 trillion dollars from the Red Chinese like Bush did to get the economy going. So far, Obamas been a bargain.

Can you back that statement up with a reference? I sure would like to see that if you have it handy.

[Fact Based Opinion]

NoDoubt wrote:

<quoted text>Can you back that statement up with a reference? I sure would like to see that if you have it handy.

From CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/02/13/polit...

Bush Just Escapes Being $5-Trillion Man
Font size Print E-mail Share 103 comments Posted by Mark Knoller
(White House/Eric Draper)Twenty-four days saved George W. Bush from running up five trillion dollars of government debt.

The latest posting on the Department of the Treasury website shows the National Debt just hit $10.759-trillion dollars. And that $5-trillion and change more than it was on the day Pres. Bush took office on Jan. 20, 2001.

Even so, Mr. Bush ran up the biggest increase in the National Debt of any American president. The Debt was $5.727-trillion on his first day in the White House. And on the day he left, it was $10.626-trillion. That means the Debt increased by $4.899-trillion on his watch. Some would round it off to $5-trillion – but that wouldn’t be fair. He was saved from five trillion dollar infamy by $101-billion.

[Not Understanding Either]

Fact Based Opinion wrote:

<quoted text>
From CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/02/13/polit...
Bush Just Escapes Being $5-Trillion Man
Font size Print E-mail Share 103 comments Posted by Mark Knoller
(White House/Eric Draper)Twenty-four days saved George W. Bush from running up five trillion dollars of government debt.
The latest posting on the Department of the Treasury website shows the National Debt just hit $10.759-trillion dollars. And that $5-trillion and change more than it was on the day Pres. Bush took office on Jan. 20, 2001.
Even so, Mr. Bush ran up the biggest increase in the National Debt of any American president. The Debt was $5.727-trillion on his first day in the White House. And on the day he left, it was $10.626-trillion. That means the Debt increased by $4.899-trillion on his watch. Some would round it off to $5-trillion – but that wouldn’t be fair. He was saved from five trillion dollar infamy by $101-billion.

So the debt increased $4.899 trillion over 8 years and was at $10.626 trillion when Bush left office. According to my iphone application the national debt is now $12.018 trillion. Simple math says that the debt has increased $1.392 trillion in the 9 months and 18 days that obama has been in office. At that pace the debt will be $17.659 trillion at the end of 4 years and God forbid he gets 8 it will be $24.692 trillion. Today's debt equals about $39,251 per U.S. citizen which would equate to $78,502 (not adjusting for population growth) per U.S. Citizen then.

[bill]

carl jackson wrote:

btw,every single cash for clunker sold during the "clunker improve the economy program" cost the tax payer in america $25000 PER CAR

I also would like to see this in print. Can you provide a source, or is this some crap you heard on talk radio?

Let's be factual when discussing politics. There's enough wrong on both sides of the fence that we don't need to make shit up.

[Not Understanding Either]

bill wrote:

<quoted text>
I also would like to see this in print. Can you provide a source, or is this some crap you heard on talk radio?
Let's be factual when discussing politics. There's enough wrong on both sides of the fence that we don't need to make shit up.

http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/28/autos/clunker...

There you go...let us know what you think about that or I'm sure we can already deduce that it's the conservative spin that has caused this number to be so high.

[Polemics]

Not Understanding Either wrote:

<quoted text>
So the debt increased $4.899 trillion over 8 years and was at $10.626 trillion when Bush left office. According to my iphone application the national debt is now $12.018 trillion. Simple math says that the debt has increased $1.392 trillion in the 9 months and 18 days that obama has been in office. At that pace the debt will be $17.659 trillion at the end of 4 years and God forbid he gets 8 it will be $24.692 trillion. Today's debt equals about $39,251 per U.S. citizen which would equate to $78,502 (not adjusting for population growth) per U.S. Citizen then.

Not sure I follow your math but at least Obama is spending it on “good stuff”.

[Lewholt]

Fact Based Opinion wrote:

<quoted text>
From CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/02/13/polit...
Bush Just Escapes Being $5-Trillion Man
Font size Print E-mail Share 103 comments Posted by Mark Knoller
(White House/Eric Draper)Twenty-four days saved George W. Bush from running up five trillion dollars of government debt.
The latest posting on the Department of the Treasury website shows the National Debt just hit $10.759-trillion dollars. And that $5-trillion and change more than it was on the day Pres. Bush took office on Jan. 20, 2001.
Even so, Mr. Bush ran up the biggest increase in the National Debt of any American president. The Debt was $5.727-trillion on his first day in the White House. And on the day he left, it was $10.626-trillion. That means the Debt increased by $4.899-trillion on his watch. Some would round it off to $5-trillion – but that wouldn’t be fair. He was saved from five trillion dollar infamy by $101-billion.

That aint the half of it. The goverment keeps two sets of books. Future benefits for the Prescription Drug Bill is about $7 Trillion more.

[Lewholt]

NoDoubt wrote:

<quoted text>Can you back that statement up with a reference? I sure would like to see that if you have it handy.

I read it on the Google on the internets.

[bill]

Not Understanding Either wrote:

<quoted text>
http://money.cnn.com/2009/10/28/autos/clunker...
There you go...let us know what you think about that or I'm sure we can already deduce that it's the conservative spin that has caused this number to be so high.

Here is a quote from the article:
"The average rebate was $4,000. But the overwhelming majority of sales would have taken place anyway at some time in the last half of 2009, according to Edmunds.com . That means the government ended up spending about $24,000 each for those 125,000 additional vehicle sales."
It says right in the article that the government paid an average rebate of $4000.00 per vehicle. You know what that means? It means the government paid an average of $4000.00 per vehicle. Period.
The rest is just voodoo math using made up statistics and a useless filter to try and get a headline. It is irresponsible fact spinning of the worst kind.
The governement paid $4000.00 per vehicle, and that is that.

[Synergy]

Lewholt wrote:

<quoted text>Guess he should have borrowed 5 trillion dollars from the Red Chinese like Bush did to get the economy going. So far, Obamas been a bargain.

Now you're just trying to make me laugh. A bargain???? Seriously???? Lew, you are absolutely the most brainwashed Democrat in the world. I mean it. The entire world. lol

[Synergy]

bill wrote:

<quoted text>
I also would like to see this in print. Can you provide a source, or is this some crap you heard on talk radio?
Let's be factual when discussing politics. There's enough wrong on both sides of the fence that we don't need to make shit up.

Well, I am going to jump in here. You have consistently pointed out what is wrong with conservatives and talk radio. Please tell us what you think is wrong with ALL the other stations AND the Democrat party. Please expound on THAT for a change.

[bill]

Synergy wrote:

<quoted text>
Well, I am going to jump in here. You have consistently pointed out what is wrong with conservatives and talk radio. Please tell us what you think is wrong with ALL the other stations AND the Democrat party. Please expound on THAT for a change.

That is a fair question, and I'm up for the challenge.

TO begin with, I have consistently derided talk radio. I have two problems with it. The first problem is the hosts, they are paid to be controversial and to work people up. That is their job. They themselves know that a lot of their arguments are full of holes, one sided, and irresponsible. That is not their problem..they are being paid to work people up at all costs, get ratings, or get fired. The second problem is the people LISTENING to it. Most of the people who listen to it do not form their own informed opinions of the issues. They simply agree with the guy doing the talking(we already know what their problem is), and then parrot what they hear as their own opinion. The don't think for themselves and they do not get balanced views on the issues. It is single-handedly creating a divisive and stupid electorate. As you can see..I'm not political in my stance on what the problem is here..however the Republicans have made it into an art form.

Democrats are full of problems. Our whole governmental system has morphed into an unwieldy, corrupt, broken shadow of what it was intended to be. A person can't even begin to make it to a national office until they've sold their soul to some corporate interest or lobbying group of some kind. Democrats are not immune, but they are less riddled with the "good 'ol boys" club than the Republican party. There is some compassion and hope for a better world in the Democratic party. If you followed the election maps last year, you will see that red and blue were almost perfectly mapped along geographical areas of education. The more racist and back-woods the county (or state) the more it voted for the Republicans. It was clear as day. Check it out for yourself.

[Lewholt]

bill wrote:

<quoted text>
That is a fair question, and I'm up for the challenge.
TO begin with, I have consistently derided talk radio. I have two problems with it. The first problem is the hosts, they are paid to be controversial and to work people up. That is their job. They themselves know that a lot of their arguments are full of holes, one sided, and irresponsible. That is not their problem..they are being paid to work people up at all costs, get ratings, or get fired. The second problem is the people LISTENING to it. Most of the people who listen to it do not form their own informed opinions of the issues. They simply agree with the guy doing the talking(we already know what their problem is), and then parrot what they hear as their own opinion. The don't think for themselves and they do not get balanced views on the issues. It is single-handedly creating a divisive and stupid electorate. As you can see..I'm not political in my stance on what the problem is here..however the Republicans have made it into an art form.
Democrats are full of problems. Our whole governmental system has morphed into an unwieldy, corrupt, broken shadow of what it was intended to be. A person can't even begin to make it to a national office until they've sold their soul to some corporate interest or lobbying group of some kind. Democrats are not immune, but they are less riddled with the "good 'ol boys" club than the Republican party. There is some compassion and hope for a better world in the Democratic party. If you followed the election maps last year, you will see that red and blue were almost perfectly mapped along geographical areas of education. The more racist and back-woods the county (or state) the more it voted for the Republicans. It was clear as day. Check it out for yourself.

Not only backwoods but did you notice that the majority of red states lead the nation in federal assistance?

[Synergy]

bill wrote:

<quoted text>
That is a fair question, and I'm up for the challenge.
TO begin with, I have consistently derided talk radio. I have two problems with it. The first problem is the hosts, they are paid to be controversial and to work people up. That is their job. They themselves know that a lot of their arguments are full of holes, one sided, and irresponsible. That is not their problem..they are being paid to work people up at all costs, get ratings, or get fired. The second problem is the people LISTENING to it. Most of the people who listen to it do not form their own informed opinions of the issues. They simply agree with the guy doing the talking(we already know what their problem is), and then parrot what they hear as their own opinion. The don't think for themselves and they do not get balanced views on the issues. It is single-handedly creating a divisive and stupid electorate. As you can see..I'm not political in my stance on what the problem is here..however the Republicans have made it into an art form.
Democrats are full of problems. Our whole governmental system has morphed into an unwieldy, corrupt, broken shadow of what it was intended to be. A person can't even begin to make it to a national office until they've sold their soul to some corporate interest or lobbying group of some kind. Democrats are not immune, but they are less riddled with the "good 'ol boys" club than the Republican party. There is some compassion and hope for a better world in the Democratic party. If you followed the election maps last year, you will see that red and blue were almost perfectly mapped along geographical areas of education. The more racist and back-woods the county (or state) the more it voted for the Republicans. It was clear as day. Check it out for yourself.

All of this is merely your opinion and you know what they say about opinions. When I give my opinion, I state it as an opinion. You do not. You speak as if you have an in road into what is going on. Just your opinion, nothing more. Thanks for trying to answer, however.

[Synergy]

Lewholt wrote:

<quoted text>
Not only backwoods but did you notice that the majority of red states lead the nation in federal assistance?

And who is pushing all that federal assistance?????