Teacher Furloughs
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Dana

Tucker, GA

#1 Mar 17, 2009
Just saw on the news that they are looking at furloughing teachers for six days per year in order to save $200M, and therefore also saving the school nurses. My thought is that they should do 12 days per year, that is only one day per month and save more. There is some type of holiday or workday or something every month, the kids would never even notice. My reason for this is that maybe if they furloughed say 12 days they would not have to increase classroom sizes. They could save even more jobs that way too.
AHS Mom

Tucker, GA

#2 Mar 17, 2009
Sounds like a plan. I am a state employee and I have been furloughed one day per month until further notice. The teachers need to suck it up and quit the whining quite honestly. It makes me tired just listening to them sometimes. They need to do what is best for their students not what is best for them. They don't seem to get that though.

“Unions are still scum ”

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#3 Mar 17, 2009
http://www.open.georgia.gov/sta/viewMain.aud Thanks AHS. After looking at this site, I was simply amazed at what some State employees make.
tom

Colquitt, GA

#4 Mar 18, 2009
Dana how do you get 12 days is one day a month. School is in session for 180 days about 9 months. It is a misconception that teachers get paid 12 months. They take our pay earned over the 9 months and spread it out over the 12 months.
Dave

Tucker, GA

#5 Mar 18, 2009
You get a paycheck once per month every month of the year. One days pay would be taken out of it per month, i.e. the furlough. Or since you actually are not "earning" any pay for the summer months and all those holidays and breaks maybe the payscale should be changed to reflect that. Teachers are not more overworked than anybody else in this world. Your job is no more important than that of a nurse, fireman or anybody else who serves the public and it is a misconception that it is. A misconception that most Americans have been brainwashed into believing, by non other than the teachers and their unions. My own opinion is that if you are going to be paid for twelve months you ought to be working for it, except for the basic sick leave, and 2-3 weeks vacation. Just like everybody else. Please do not respond with, oh we need time to recupperate from the children, or we have to go to school. We are all tired and if we want to go back to school we have to do it on our own time after work in the evenings or weekends. I vote for year round school, maybe test scores would go up. Most nations do this now, we are one of the few that does not and look at what we are turning out in our education system.
Dana

Tucker, GA

#6 Mar 18, 2009
I know how you are paid Tom! If state employees and others in the private world are being furloughed to help trim costs, why not teachers and school staff. There is an article in todays AJC that Gwinnett County District Attorney office employees are giving up pay to save their coworkers jobs. Hospital employees at Beth Israel in Massachusetts are also doing the same. I believe that defines selflessness and compassion for others. Perhaps you and your colleagues need to take a lesson from them. You might have to sacrifice a little but maybe you could save another teachers family, or a custodians, or lunch lady or teacher aides family. Would downgrading you cable, or cutting your budget to save another persons job be too much to ask Tom? I guess I already know that answer though.
Sam

United States

#7 Mar 18, 2009
Teachers do NOT get paid for 12 months work. They get for 190 days and opt to have it pro-rated so it extends through the summer. They DO NOT get paid for holidays. They work 190 and get paid for 190 days. The salary scale would not change, they simply would have larger checks for the months they work. Most teachers I know also spend thousands out of pocket for their classrooms since they are given limited funds for their classrooms. Teachers take work home every night and on weekends. Most spend their summers doing classes, workshops or working in their classrooms for NO money.[
QUOTE who="Dave"]You get a paycheck once per month every month of the year. One days pay would be taken out of it per month, i.e. the furlough. Or since you actually are not "earning" any pay for the summer months and all those holidays and breaks maybe the payscale should be changed to reflect that. Teachers are not more overworked than anybody else in this world. Your job is no more important than that of a nurse, fireman or anybody else who serves the public and it is a misconception that it is. A misconception that most Americans have been brainwashed into believing, by non other than the teachers and their unions. My own opinion is that if you are going to be paid for twelve months you ought to be working for it, except for the basic sick leave, and 2-3 weeks vacation. Just like everybody else. Please do not respond with, oh we need time to recupperate from the children, or we have to go to school. We are all tired and if we want to go back to school we have to do it on our own time after work in the evenings or weekends. I vote for year round school, maybe test scores would go up. Most nations do this now, we are one of the few that does not and look at what we are turning out in our education system.
Alexandra

United States

#8 Mar 18, 2009
Teachers are not paid for 12 months. Their salary is based on the school calendar. Most school districts split up their total salary over 12 months which is why they get checks during the summer(which is actually only 2 months for most systems). Whether they get paid in 9, 10, or 12 checks, they would make the same salary. So they do not get paid for not working - that summer check is part of the salary they earned during the school calendar.
AHS Mom

Tucker, GA

#9 Mar 18, 2009
These teachers think they are somehow priviledged. They should not EVER have to suffer any type of pay cut or lose a raise.Even when the rest of America's workers are having their pay cut. Heaven forbid anybody dare mention touching a teachers pay. I have worked for the state for 20 years endured more than one furlough, lost raises etc..I make no where near what the teachers make and yes I have a degree. I do think though that the public is waking up and realizing how much they are really paid, and the public sympathy for them is waning because of the recession. If the teachers unions fight this furlough I think the public will further lose sympathy for them. Esp. if they see their childs classroom sizes inc. because teachers were let go. Maybe if we keep repeating to the teachers YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL, YOU DO NOT DESERVE SPECIAL TREATMENT maybe they would get it. Be thankful you have a job Tom, lots of people don't.
AHS Mom

Tucker, GA

#10 Mar 18, 2009
Why exactly do they get summers off? Why two weeks for Christmas? A week in Feb. A week for spring break.Various other days during the year. They should be working everyday, whether the children are at school are not. This is the only profession in the world that gets this much time off. They should have the standard 2-3 weeks vacation time, and sick days. As voters and citizens we need to start demanding more for our dollars.

I know quite a few teachers. None of them work all summer in their classrooms.The most is one week prior to school starting. They spend their summer at the pool and on vacation and laughing at me when I can't join them.None spend "thousands" of their own money either. As far the classes you have to take. You get a guaranteed payraise when you add masters, or other certificates. No other profession is guaranteed a raise when they earn an additional degree. Oh, and that masters is not required to teach, that is your choice.
Stop your whining it is very unbecoming and makes you look like a crybaby.
Chaundra

Phenix City, AL

#11 Mar 18, 2009
(Quote)Dave, It may benefit you to do a little research into the education profession before you choose to comment. Teachers work approximately 190 days a year, which is roughly 9 months. Our salaries are for the 190 days, but stretched out to cover the 12 months of the year. Teachers have one of the only professions, that I am aware of, in which you have to obtain higher degrees to get any sort of significant pay raise. We already attend professional developments throughout the year. In today's society teachers also take on the role of parents and social workers. I am unaware of any other profession that using the restroom and having a twenty minute lunch is a luxury. Since you feel that teachers have it so easy, I challenge you to go into the classroom and take on the role.(Quote)

Since: Jul 08

Douglasville

#12 Mar 18, 2009
Chaundra wrote:
(Quote)Dave, It may benefit you to do a little research into the education profession before you choose to comment. Teachers work approximately 190 days a year, which is roughly 9 months. Our salaries are for the 190 days, but stretched out to cover the 12 months of the year. Teachers have one of the only professions, that I am aware of, in which you have to obtain higher degrees to get any sort of significant pay raise. We already attend professional developments throughout the year. In today's society teachers also take on the role of parents and social workers. I am unaware of any other profession that using the restroom and having a twenty minute lunch is a luxury. Since you feel that teachers have it so easy, I challenge you to go into the classroom and take on the role.(Quote)
Bless you for what you do. I don't think ANYONE has any idea what it's like to be a teacher, unless they are one or you sub or volunteer on a regular basis. You have students who are rude, disrespectful, call you names, hit you, spit on you, etc., and there's VERY little that you can do. Parents are often rude and disrepectful and offer no support. Every single person who is so critical of our teachers should have to go spend several days in a classroom and teach.

Since: Nov 08

Douglasville, GA

#13 Mar 18, 2009
OK I have a very tender heart for teachers. This is a job I could NEVER do. It takes a special person to do it.
I do believe that GOOD teacher are underpaid. Unforunately we have very few of them.
I have family members and friends that are teachers not all in Douglas County. None of them make less than 40K for 9 months of work.
National average per person is $35K a year for an american income.
I don't care how you want to word it teachers working 9, 10, or 12 months teacher get paid a fair wage.
Now would I volunteer for their job NO!!!

My husband just this week has been told that in order to keep from having layoffs everyone in the company is taking a 15% pay cut. I was releaved when I found this out. Everyone in the company has been worried about lay offs.

Should teachers be immuned to this NO!!! As a parent I believe we should give our children the very best education possible. We should also supply teacher with the materials they need to teach our children. As an adult with co-workers and also personal bills I would gladly take a pay cut to keep from myself or friends being laid off. Teachers are no different.

“Unions are still scum ”

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#14 Mar 18, 2009
Looking to the Future wrote:
We should also supply teacher with the materials they need to teach our children. As an adult with co-workers and also personal bills I would gladly take a pay cut to keep from myself or friends being laid off. Teachers are no different.
Chalk, chalkboard, erasers, text book, and a motivated teacher. That is all that is required to teach a child.
loose connection

Marietta, GA

#15 Mar 18, 2009
MSO4 wrote:
<quoted text>Chalk, chalkboard, erasers, text book, and a motivated teacher. That is all that is required to teach a child.
You forgot a respectful child who wants to learn with parents who will stand behind the teacher.

“Unions are still scum ”

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#16 Mar 18, 2009
loose connection wrote:
<quoted text>
You forgot a respectful child who wants to learn with parents who will stand behind the teacher.
Very true. I was only saying what "supplies" the teacher needs to do their job.
Lately we hear of how teachers must spend all their own money on school supplies, and I think like what, chalk?
Teacher

Powder Springs, GA

#17 Mar 19, 2009
Dave wrote:
You get a paycheck once per month every month of the year. One days pay would be taken out of it per month, i.e. the furlough. Or since you actually are not "earning" any pay for the summer months and all those holidays and breaks maybe the payscale should be changed to reflect that. Teachers are not more overworked than anybody else in this world. Your job is no more important than that of a nurse, fireman or anybody else who serves the public and it is a misconception that it is. A misconception that most Americans have been brainwashed into believing, by non other than the teachers and their unions. My own opinion is that if you are going to be paid for twelve months you ought to be working for it, except for the basic sick leave, and 2-3 weeks vacation. Just like everybody else. Please do not respond with, oh we need time to recupperate from the children, or we have to go to school. We are all tired and if we want to go back to school we have to do it on our own time after work in the evenings or weekends. I vote for year round school, maybe test scores would go up. Most nations do this now, we are one of the few that does not and look at what we are turning out in our education system.
I only get paid for 9 months work. The state simply makes money on my interest by holding back my pay by spreading it out over 12 months
Anon Me

Tucker, GA

#18 Mar 19, 2009
Exactly, you only work 9 months. You have three off. No other profession gets 3 months off per year. Your starting pay is 35K, that is pretty good for right out of college, for only 9 months work I might add. You need to be working the entire 12 months a year. You are also pretty much guaranteed a raise each year from the government. Although, there are some of you who do not deserve it. Stop trying to be a martyr. I might add that I have volunteered when my children were younger in the schools. I have actually had a principal tell me not to feel to sorry for the teachers. He actually said "They are not as underpaid and abused as they would have you believe." When I start seeing some real results out of the public school system maybe I might have more sympathy for the teachers. For now though, stop playing the martyr. Because there are more and more parents, taxpayers, and voters who are not buying it anymore. I fully believe that eventually we will have year round school, esp. with our new president who is pushing for it.I believe it is coming sooner than most think too. So enjoy this summer break teachers, it could be your last one.
Concerned

Carrollton, GA

#19 Mar 19, 2009
Stop and think for a minute.....if we go to year round school, then teachers will be working more than 190 days, and teacher pay will go up! Teachers are contracted for 190 days of work, and that pay is spread out over 12 months. Living in a household of 2 public service professionals, a teacher and a police officer, I know first hand how my salary compares with others. We both have a master's degree, and our combined income is less than many people in the business world make alone. I am not complaining about my salary, becuase I chose my job and I love it. However, it does make me angry when people who have no idea what I do make judgements. Also, I am required to take classes in order to renew my certification. These classes do not provide me with more money, just job security. And further more, how many professionals top out their pay at 20 years experience? Most people get pay raises as they gain more experience. For both teachers and police officers, we reach a maximum pay and are lucky if we get a cost of living raise after that. While you may not value my job and think I am overpaid, unless everyone in the nation is ready to homeschool their children, stop attacking the profession!

Since: Oct 08

Winder, GA

#20 Mar 19, 2009
Teacher wrote:
<quoted text>
I only get paid for 9 months work. The state simply makes money on my interest by holding back my pay by spreading it out over 12 months
So you don't work for the county school system you work for the state school system?

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