IB courses vs AP classes
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Jury Duty Member

Acworth, GA

#1 Jan 25, 2010
Ok, we have see some debates on the ins and outs, plus and minuses on some threads about what is better.

Let's now put keystrokes, sentences, view, and Topix together to see some intelligent post.

I personally would not and did not allow my child into the IB program because of personal and professional opinions about the program. It all seemed like a "DCHS" way of beating the scoring system in order to stay out of the "No Child Left Behind" label of underachieving schools.

Needless to say, this IB programs should be allowed at each school IF the school system really "cares" about the students and there futures.

The cream does rise to the top, doesn't it?
taxpaying mom

Douglasville, GA

#2 Jan 25, 2010
Why add the expense of the IB program to every school - when it can be centralized at one? I could see adding IB to additional schools, if and when one location maxed out participation wise. This seems like a wise way to offer it.

And before it was at DCHS - it wasn't in the county at all... shouldn't we be glad that it is offered?

And what is so bad about DCHS wanting to attract good students? Why aren't the other area high schools trying to attract the best and brightest?

What would education look like if schools competed for good students and worked their hardest to make every student they were given a good student?

I think too many schools are pretty complacent - both educationally and administratively.

Since: Aug 09

Alpharetta, GA

#3 Jan 25, 2010
As an IB mom whose daughter is about to graduate with an International Baccalaureate degree...KUDOS to Douglas County for trying to do something different and WORLDLY for our students. I am also a Douglas County Elementary Educator and I think this program has opened the students' minds to topics and discussions that students all over the world are studying and talking about. Who cares where they "house" it??? UHH DUHHH....if it was held at the old Wal-Mart, she would still be going! That's just geography! DCHS had the space. Every school can not have an IB program as the teachers of the program have to go through special training to be an IB teacher. I think you need to check your facts and read up on it before you try and act like you know what you are talking about....
Jury Member

Acworth, GA

#4 Jan 25, 2010
SueinDouglasville wrote:
As an IB mom whose daughter is about to graduate with an International Baccalaureate degree...KUDOS to Douglas County for trying to do something different and WORLDLY for our students. I am also a Douglas County Elementary Educator and I think this program has opened the students' minds to topics and discussions that students all over the world are studying and talking about. Who cares where they "house" it??? UHH DUHHH....if it was held at the old Wal-Mart, she would still be going! That's just geography! DCHS had the space. Every school can not have an IB program as the teachers of the program have to go through special training to be an IB teacher. I think you need to check your facts and read up on it before you try and act like you know what you are talking about....
I am glad for your child. I do know what I am talking about. I know that IB students are not any further along than my child and I know my child can function with normal kids vs the thugs running around DCHS

I do have to admit though that your child's Ebonics is probably much much better than mine!

Since: Aug 09

Alpharetta, GA

#5 Jan 25, 2010
Sounds like a racist! Obviously you need a worldly education away from the soccer moms...Its obvious you can not have an intellectual conversation without calling names...sad that these are the role models for our children...

Since: Jan 10

Douglasville, Georgia

#6 Jan 25, 2010
Jury Member wrote:
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I am glad for your child. I do know what I am talking about. I know that IB students are not any further along than my child and I know my child can function with normal kids vs the thugs running around DCHS
I do have to admit though that your child's Ebonics is probably much much better than mine!
As a senior in the IB program, I am deeply sadden by your assessment of my education and "language skills."

"Further along" is very subjective and honestly it's impossible to tell unless you do a deep rooted analysis of your child's education versus mine. And if your child is further along than me, than that's great! This isn't a competition. Can we not all just coexist together?

I have learned that all people are different and that in order to get anything done in this world, we all must accept one another, even though we may disagree or be different. It may sound cliche, but our differences are what make us unique and special. All because there may have been students in the past who have made bad choices does not mean that there should be such an immense negative connotation to my high school. These "thugs" that you are referring to are the people that I am proud to call my friends and peers.

Any place you go to, where it is down the street or across the road are bound to have different colloquialisms.

Since: Jul 07

Douglasville

#7 Jan 26, 2010
Don't get me started on this IB program = it is so rigged to get into this program (used mostly for people who have sibling in it or parents that are in the educational system of Douglas County). My child outscored several of these students but wasn't placed into the program, due to the fact that it was "full".

It is a well known fact that it was placed at DCHS because of the failing to the school. The IB students are there to help overall testing.
As for "coexist" when the IB students get their noses out of the air then maybe this can happen.

It's sad to me that I can't let my child go to any sporting events at DCHS because of fears of being violence after the event. This warning came from the sheriffs department.

Good luck with it.
AHS Mom

Tucker, GA

#8 Jan 26, 2010
My child was approached about IB, but after weighing all the pros and cons, we choose to go with AP classes at AHS. I have never heard anything good about DCHS. Violence, gangs, etc...with all that going on there the IB program just was not worth the risk and worry about my childs safety.

So far we have not had any problems at AHS and my son seems happy there. Right now my main concern is what effects we will see next year from the budget cuts. Class size is already getting to big for some classes. I certainly do no want to see it get worse. There has to be other things besides increasing class size that they can do to cut costs.
IBmom

Powder Springs, GA

#9 Jan 26, 2010
It is sad to me that you as parents are putting down HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS less than half your age. Really?
As for IB students having their noses in the air, you sound like nothing more than a bitter parent who's child got turned away. Maturity, you've got it friend.
Also, of course IB was put at DCHS because it was failing! Why did Cobb County get IB? Why do any magnet schools get their magnet programs? To better the school obviously.
It is not a rigged program. My child got in. She's an oldest child. Where was her older sibling that helped her get in? What educational system am I a part of that helped her get in? I'm not part of one. So its obviously not rigged so you can't just sit down with that comment.
As for the ebonics remark, that was classless and uncalled for. There was absolutely NO need for such a remark. Its disgusting how closed minded you obviously are.

But you know what, go ahead and continue to put down these kids and their work. It very classy of you.
HS Student

Alpharetta, GA

#10 Jan 26, 2010
AHS Mom wrote:
My child was approached about IB, but after weighing all the pros and cons, we choose to go with AP classes at AHS. I have never heard anything good about DCHS. Violence, gangs, etc...with all that going on there the IB program just was not worth the risk and worry about my childs safety.
Never once have I ever felt afraid for my life at DCHS... Frankly, I am more worried about driving on I-20 than I am going into DCHS. Here are some good things about DCHS that I assume are not as fun to talk about as the bad:

-We have a yearbook that has won many first place competitions. I should know, I am the Editor-In-Chief of it. We are entering nationals this year.
-Our Mock Trial team has placed second place in the region three years in a row.
-Our Future Business Leaders of America club is celebrating it's 50th year.
-Our Reading Bowl team won first place in the region last weekend.
-We have a scholar bowl team that went very far on the Hi-Q Challenge on WSB.(I'm not sure specifically how far they went, but they did go the further than any other school in the county)
-Members of our swim team have qualified to compete at state.

These are just SOME of the good things that are happening at DC! It really is an amazing school that sadly does not get the credit that it deserves. I love my school because it offers endless opportunities and diversity that will prepare me for the "real world." I can't imagine being anywhere else.
IB Student

Dallas, GA

#11 Jan 26, 2010
I'm sick of all the silly fears of Couglas County High School. The only reasons for these fears is ignorance. Not only have I never felt threatened during my attendence of what I consider to be a good Douglas County school, but the only serious violence I've heard about at any Douglas County school involved alternative school students(who are not allowed to these games anyway). Just because this event ocurred at a DCHS football game (I believe this event is what "Mugsy" was referring to), most people assume that DC is a violent school. People need to get their facts straight and stop bashing DCHS only because of events that could just have easily happened at any other high school.
X Pants on the Ground X

Acworth, GA

#12 Jan 26, 2010
I walked into the office recently at DCHS and all I saw was male students who were walking around with the "pants on the ground" and females looking as if the were street walkers.

I saw this with my own eyes and was disgusted! I was going to entertain the idea of IB curriculum, but after I saw this, I did not only say no, I said HELL NO!!!!

I thought I was at a school in Clayton, Dekalb or City of Atlanta!!

Again, THUG High fits this school perfectly!

Since: Jul 07

Douglasville

#13 Jan 26, 2010
IBmom wrote:
It is sad to me that you as parents are putting down HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS less than half your age. Really?
As for IB students having their noses in the air, you sound like nothing more than a bitter parent who's child got turned away. Maturity, you've got it friend.
Also, of course IB was put at DCHS because it was failing! Why did Cobb County get IB? Why do any magnet schools get their magnet programs? To better the school obviously.
It is not a rigged program. My child got in. She's an oldest child. Where was her older sibling that helped her get in? What educational system am I a part of that helped her get in? I'm not part of one. So its obviously not rigged so you can't just sit down with that comment.
As for the ebonics remark, that was classless and uncalled for. There was absolutely NO need for such a remark. Its disgusting how closed minded you obviously are.
But you know what, go ahead and continue to put down these kids and their work. It very classy of you.
Thank you for the kind words...am I bitter my child did not get into the IB program...after going to her testing I was praying that she would not get in. I asked several friends who are in the educational system about the program before I took her to the program, none were impress either. As for my comment regarding their attitudes and their noses stuck in the air, I stand by this. They tend to treat all that are not in this program as beneath them and you help me prove that point.
As for colleges looking at IB programs and AP programs both are important neither more so then the other. I don't care what someone has sold you down the line on that one either.
It is a well known fact throughout the county that IB was put into DCHS because of the failings at this school.(Sorry that the truth hurts).
The violence is well know throughout DC regarding this HS when a sheriff tells me not to let my child go unescorted to this school I have a tendency to believe them.
So if you are trying to belittle me...good luck with that one.

Since: Jul 07

Douglasville

#14 Jan 26, 2010
IB Student wrote:
I'm sick of all the silly fears of Couglas County High School. The only reasons for these fears is ignorance. Not only have I never felt threatened during my attendence of what I consider to be a good Douglas County school, but the only serious violence I've heard about at any Douglas County school involved alternative school students(who are not allowed to these games anyway). Just because this event ocurred at a DCHS football game (I believe this event is what "Mugsy" was referring to), most people assume that DC is a violent school. People need to get their facts straight and stop bashing DCHS only because of events that could just have easily happened at any other high school.
Thank you for proving my point!

“Unions are still scum ”

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#15 Jan 26, 2010
Hell, and all this time I thought IB stood for Irritable Bowel. Who would have known?
HS Student

Alpharetta, GA

#16 Jan 27, 2010
Mugsy wrote:
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Thank you for the kind words...am I bitter my child did not get into the IB program...after going to her testing I was praying that she would not get in. I asked several friends who are in the educational system about the program before I took her to the program, none were impress either. As for my comment regarding their attitudes and their noses stuck in the air, I stand by this. They tend to treat all that are not in this program as beneath them and you help me prove that point.
As for colleges looking at IB programs and AP programs both are important neither more so then the other. I don't care what someone has sold you down the line on that one either.
It is a well known fact throughout the county that IB was put into DCHS because of the failings at this school.(Sorry that the truth hurts).
The violence is well know throughout DC regarding this HS when a sheriff tells me not to let my child go unescorted to this school I have a tendency to believe them.
So if you are trying to belittle me...good luck with that one.
I do not know what educational professionals you were talking to, but many applaud the IB program for trying to push the boundaries of American education.

I'm sorry that you have had negative experiences with IB students, but I can assure you that is not the case for everyone.

Also, DC is not in Douglas County Sheriffs Department jurisdiction. We are in the jurisdiction of Douglasville City Police, so maybe you should talk to them and our SROs about the lack of violence that occurs within the doors (and at our home games) of our school. And we are not trying to belittle you, just tell you the facts about the place that we go to every day. I don't think you go there 180 days a year. We do. Therefore, we know a little bit about what goes on there...
HS Student

Alpharetta, GA

#17 Jan 27, 2010
X Pants on the Ground X wrote:
I walked into the office recently at DCHS and all I saw was male students who were walking around with the "pants on the ground" and females looking as if the were street walkers.
I saw this with my own eyes and was disgusted! I was going to entertain the idea of IB curriculum, but after I saw this, I did not only say no, I said HELL NO!!!!
I thought I was at a school in Clayton, Dekalb or City of Atlanta!!
Again, THUG High fits this school perfectly!
Okay, judge a school of 2,000 on a handful of students...
DCHS HS Student

Stockbridge, GA

#18 Jan 27, 2010
All of these comments are just getting ridiculous. Why does it matter what school the IB program is placed in? If you are scared of DCHS you obviously have not spend a day there with an open mind. I have been to all of the other Douglas County High Schools and have seen just as gruesome and disgusting events as you have described about DCHS. Pants on the ground? Maybe you should look at the other schools. Violence? I seem to have seen people smoking weed, extreme PDA, and gang activity at multiple Alexander, Chapel and Lithia games. Regardless of where IB has been placed, and regardless of if you think it's better than AP, students have come into this program (even if in your words it's just to benefit a failing school) to take an opportunity given to them. Many of the first class were not even sure how the experience was going to be, but none of them regret it. So why should you down on their experience just because you don't agree? Overall, even if the IB program and AP program are equal in college it gives the participants aspects that AP doesn't:

-A Theory of Knowledge class that gives them a world perspective as well as learning how and why we know.
-A tight community like feel (though you may see it as snooty) forces us to get closer and relate to 50+ students for four years. Therefore, it is obvious that we would be closer and more comfortable with our fellow IBers because we are often time treated as outsiders. Therefore, it's hard not to seem like one.
-Provides us with a diplomma that is accepted all over the world, especially since what we are learning is the same thing that people in Paris, Tokyo or Adelade are learning.

There seems to be some tension. I'm sorry if you're child didn't make it into the program because there was no room, I'm sorry if you think DCHS is too dangerous of a school for IB to placed in and that forced you to choose AP classes instead of IB, and I'm sorry that you think that we're 'snooty'.(And it appears to me that the people saying that IB is a 'bad' thing are the ones that are just attacking us.)

Honestly, all of the IB students (at least once they reach Junior and Senior status) are just trying to improve their education by a way that suited THEM. So, they chose IB instead of AP? Be proud of what your daughter/son/niece/nephew/neig hbor has accomplished and leave everything else alone.

IB has improved DCHS, and so what? Weren't you just complaining that DCHS is dangerous (even thought the other High Schools have similar but disguised problems) well IB, whether you admit it or not, has helped DCHS improve. And overall, IB has helped me as a High School Senior at DCHS make my High School Career worth wild. Even if it may be on the same 'status' as AP in your words, it really did give me a stronger, more international outlook on life. And has provided me with an education that I can appreciate. Whether or not you like the program or not, I would never want to deprive it from students to come.
x Pants on the Ground x

Acworth, GA

#19 Jan 27, 2010
Hey, it is your school, your suppose to enjoy it. What I am saying is I know what I saw, felt, and heard!

It was during a class change, and there were so many "Pants on the Ground" cussers -F this F that, GD this GD that, MF this MF that.....I almost puked!

That school needs to clean up it act! What a horrible feeling I got. I was so embarrassed,

Hey if you really care HS students, do something about it, clean up your schools appearance!

Ever rode by after school and seen the thugs going across the street with their "group hangout buddies?"

I have
reality

Douglasville, GA

#20 Jan 27, 2010
AHS Mom wrote:
So far we have not had any problems at AHS and my son seems happy there.
Alexander has gangs, drugs and all the same crap DCHS does. What bothers me most about Alexander is that the admin is more interested in keeping things quiet than addressing problems.

And I know for a fact DCHS does a serious dress code check daily.
Often, students waiting outside the building during the day at DCHS are already in the Ombudsmen school (alternative)- I don't know if that school has a dress code... I think it is really sad the school has to do a dress code check - that is something my mama used to do!

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