Major Problems at Dorsett Shoals Elem...

Major Problems at Dorsett Shoals Elementary

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Since: Oct 10

Douglasville, GA

#1 Oct 15, 2010
I am a parent of a 5th Grader who attends Dorsett Shoals Elementary, and I have noticed some disturbing changes since last year we got a new principal. If you have a child in this school you should be very worried.

The new principal is using brainwashing techniques on your children. I was there dropping off a donation for the fall festival and it was during the time when they have morning announcements. I was shocked by what I heard. The principal has the children all repeating word for word her messages. It wasnt what she was saying that was so bad, but the technique that she was using that was disturbing.

I was also informed that anyone in the building including me, an ADULT trying to get to work on time, was expected to stand silently and wait for her to finish talking before I could even talk to anyone about why I was there! The last time I checked I had already made it through elementary, middle, high school, and even college!

I was then further insulted by the principal herself when she was finally finished with her "message", she proceeded to come to the front area and ask if everyone had heard the message because she thought she had heard someone talking! I don't know what planet this woman is from, but she needs to go and take a look at the first ammendment of the United States.

I can only imagine what other kind of dictator type rules she has imposed on anyone and everyone there. I have certianly noticed how unhappy all the teachers and staff are when I am there. My child has been at Dorsett for over 5 years now, it is nothing like it used to be. You feel like you are visiting someone in a prision where everyone is an inmate, not a happy nurturing environment of learning.

I am taking my child out of this school in her 5th grade year because if this is an example of how this woman thinks she should be running a school, then my child doesn't belong there.

Since: Jun 07

D'ville, GA

#2 Oct 15, 2010
I took a look at the First Amendment and I don't see anywhere where it states you have the right to freedom of speech with while someone else is talking, it's called being polite.

I completed some contract work at the Navel Air Station in Millington, Tennesse and it's an amazing thing to see when they raise and lower the flag. Everything on the base stops, everything (unless there's a safety hazard aspect). ALL millitary and civilian personel are required to stop what they are doing, even walking in the street, face the flag and show respect. I realize a school isn't a millitary facility, but you can't have mayhem going on and people doing whatever when there's something more important going on. I'm sorry you were late for work, next time you should give yourself more time.
Another POV

Villa Rica, GA

#3 Oct 15, 2010
Concerned45 wrote:
It wasnt what she was saying that was so bad, but the technique that she was using that was disturbing.
I was also informed that anyone in the building including me, an ADULT trying to get to work on time, was expected to stand silently and wait for her to finish talking before I could even talk to anyone about why I was there! The last time I checked I had already made it through elementary, middle, high school, and even college!
Asking kids to repeat may be a way to help them remember an important message - if you weren't worried about the content, then why would you call it brainwashing?

Also, although you had something you thought was important to talk about at that very moment, to do so may have meant that the other party would have missed announcements that were relevant to them. I also believe it's just common courtesy to not talk while somone else is talking, especially if they are addressing the full populace. If you would like direct attention, then maybe scheduling an appointment or choosing another time may solve your issue rather than just dropping in during the school day's regularly scheduled time for announcements. That isn't a "warm environment" sort of issue, it's more of a protocol thing, and every place has it.
Shoe

Waterloo, Canada

#4 Oct 15, 2010
Another POV wrote:
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Asking kids to repeat may be a way to help them remember an important message - if you weren't worried about the content, then why would you call it brainwashing?
Also, although you had something you thought was important to talk about at that very moment, to do so may have meant that the other party would have missed announcements that were relevant to them. I also believe it's just common courtesy to not talk while somone else is talking, especially if they are addressing the full populace. If you would like direct attention, then maybe scheduling an appointment or choosing another time may solve your issue rather than just dropping in during the school day's regularly scheduled time for announcements. That isn't a "warm environment" sort of issue, it's more of a protocol thing, and every place has it.
Thank you for your input, Kacia.
Another POV

Villa Rica, GA

#5 Oct 15, 2010
Kacia?
Dorsett teacher

Douglasville, GA

#6 Oct 15, 2010
I have taught at DSES for 8 years. I can tell you that the impression this person has could not be further from the truth. I feel I can speak for the staff when I say Mrs.Thompson is respected and admired. Further, we feel the same admiration coming from her. The original post was inaccurate to say the least. No one is expected to repeat anything!
We are working so hard at DSES and our students and parents are the absolute best! It is important to remember when you post negative comments that are absurd to begin with- you portray a fantastic school in an unfair way. Unfortunately, many people who read this blog may not take the time to sort out fact from fiction. There is no "Trouble at Dorsett Shoals." We are having a wonderful learning year and covering the GA. standards while incorporating good character in our students.
To eliminate the risk of coming back on here and reading something mean spirited that will probably hurt my feelings or someone elses ,I will not come back to this blog. To concerned 45- I invite you back to DSES. I assure you that if you will spend some time in our building you will see what an amazing learning/working environment it really is.

Over IT

Douglasville, GA

#7 Oct 15, 2010
I could NOT agree with you more Concerned 45! My child has been at DSES for several years & this is by far the worst year we have experienced. I have not encountered this issue, but serveral others. I agree in not interupting when someone is speaking, however she was NOT speaking to YOU! she was in another room, speaking into a microphone! & you were there donating for the fall festival so the teachers & herself can profit for their supplies! Anyone in that office could have directed you to the media center to put your stuff down OR accepted your donation & smiled & said thank you! It is not like they could not have turned around 3 minutes later & said "I am sorry Ms. Thompson, there was a parent here dropping off a donation, did you mention something that could have concerned myself!" Like I said, we have been there several years & just having someone donating at this school is worth mentioning!!!! They should have accepted you with OPEN ARMS!!!
You are a grown person & how dare another grown person ask if the "message" was heard!?!
& as for Dorsett Teacher - I asked my child if they had to repeat & response was YES!! so why say they don't? They are to repeat, word for word!
I have heard of several complaints within this school from other parents & have too not been happy... complaints about teachers, other kids, Ms. Thompson.
The kids are there to learn & I have always heard you catch more flies with honey than vinegar... so if the teachers & administration are disrespectful then the kids will follow suite!
I am NOT saying all the teachers & administration is bad... There are several GREAT teachers in this school & the vice principle could not be anymore helpful or nicer to the parents... But when you have a bad seed... that is what spreads!
It is a sad situation when you have to choose another option for schools in October! But I personally have been looking in to it as well!
This is not the school that I originally moved into the district to be in!
LearnTheLaw

Villa Rica, GA

#8 Oct 15, 2010
Amazing how the members of our society don't have a clue when it comes to our constitution - the supreme law of our land. The 1st amendment says "Congress shall make no laws" prohibiting the exercise of free speech. So many people think that means he or she can say anything he or she wants anywhere. Good Lord people .. back away from your tv and your internet and actually study our laws a bit.
seriously

Marietta, GA

#9 Oct 15, 2010
spitfire2 wrote:
I took a look at the First Amendment and I don't see anywhere where it states you have the right to freedom of speech with while someone else is talking, it's called being polite.
I completed some contract work at the Navel Air Station in Millington, Tennesse and it's an amazing thing to see when they raise and lower the flag. Everything on the base stops, everything (unless there's a safety hazard aspect). ALL millitary and civilian personel are required to stop what they are doing, even walking in the street, face the flag and show respect. I realize a school isn't a millitary facility, but you can't have mayhem going on and people doing whatever when there's something more important going on. I'm sorry you were late for work, next time you should give yourself more time.
Millington,Tennesse wow haven't thought of that place since my Husband was stationed there..I remember thinking when I was there with him Lord I'd rather be dead than live here..The only place back in the day on base a 25 cent movie..He ended up in the brigg for me speeding on base as I left for home..forgot to mention the ticket..BTW,Dobbins AFB is the same way..Stop what you're doing !!!When Obama comes thru it's lockdown..

Since: Oct 10

Douglasville, GA

#10 Oct 15, 2010
Another POV wrote:
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Asking kids to repeat may be a way to help them remember an important message - if you weren't worried about the content, then why would you call it brainwashing?
Also, although you had something you thought was important to talk about at that very moment, to do so may have meant that the other party would have missed announcements that were relevant to them. I also believe it's just common courtesy to not talk while somone else is talking, especially if they are addressing the full populace. If you would like direct attention, then maybe scheduling an appointment or choosing another time may solve your issue rather than just dropping in during the school day's regularly scheduled time for announcements. That isn't a "warm environment" sort of issue, it's more of a protocol thing, and every place has it.


Obviously you have no idea how things work in a normal School front office environment. My opinion is based on a combination of 17 years of experience in dealing with the front office staff at not only Dorsett Shoals, but the middle school and high school also.

Since I have children in all three levels of the schools in this county and have always been a very involved parent, I feel like I have more than enough knowledge of what is normal and acceptable behavior. I was not the only parent in the office and I was not being impolite, but since your going to bring it up. Politeness goes both ways. I am not accustomed to being treated like I have committed some kind of crime by speaking. I was not causing a disturbance or even being impatient, yet I was chastized like I was some kind of criminal. At first I thought maybe it was just the person who I was dealing with, but I have known her for years and after seeing the attitude of the principal and the show she put on in front of everyone, I knew where the ridiculous behavior was coming from.

This is not the only problem that I have noticed with things are being run at Dorsett, its just the last straw. I don't really care what anyone else thinks about this issue because my child's well being is what is important to me not your opinion. I was only posting this to warn other parents that something is not right. There are plenty of other parents who do not have the opportunity to go to the school and would never know about something like this because children do not have the knowledge or life experience to understand what is wrong with this kind of behavior.

Since: Oct 10

Douglasville, GA

#11 Oct 15, 2010
Dorsett teacher wrote:
I have taught at DSES for 8 years. I can tell you that the impression this person has could not be further from the truth. I feel I can speak for the staff when I say Mrs.Thompson is respected and admired. Further, we feel the same admiration coming from her. The original post was inaccurate to say the least. No one is expected to repeat anything!
We are working so hard at DSES and our students and parents are the absolute best! It is important to remember when you post negative comments that are absurd to begin with- you portray a fantastic school in an unfair way. Unfortunately, many people who read this blog may not take the time to sort out fact from fiction. There is no "Trouble at Dorsett Shoals." We are having a wonderful learning year and covering the GA. standards while incorporating good character in our students.
To eliminate the risk of coming back on here and reading something mean spirited that will probably hurt my feelings or someone elses ,I will not come back to this blog. To concerned 45- I invite you back to DSES. I assure you that if you will spend some time in our building you will see what an amazing learning/working environment it really is.
Although your relationship with the principal "might" be good, I am sure that you are in the minority. I have watched as wonderful teachers with years of experience have chosen to retire early rather than face another year of torture. I have also noticed that teachers who had been there for years were transferred to other schools instead of teachers that the new principal brought with her when the they had to cut back. The teachers who are there now cant say anything because they dont want to be fired.
As for your invitation, as I said before, I have had three children come through that school... I know very well what I am talking about. I am just the only one who is willing to say anything.
jersey girl

Riverdale, GA

#12 Oct 16, 2010
What was the morning message ?

Since: Jun 07

D'ville, GA

#13 Oct 16, 2010
Concerned45 wrote:
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Although your relationship with the principal "might" be good, I am sure that you are in the minority. I have watched as wonderful teachers with years of experience have chosen to retire early rather than face another year of torture. I have also noticed that teachers who had been there for years were transferred to other schools instead of teachers that the new principal brought with her when the they had to cut back. The teachers who are there now cant say anything because they dont want to be fired.
As for your invitation, as I said before, I have had three children come through that school... I know very well what I am talking about. I am just the only one who is willing to say anything.
The boss runs the ship, you don't like it, move on. That's how it works in the private sector.
Janice

Douglasville, GA

#14 Oct 16, 2010
kind of torn on this.....

in school, since a fair amount of kids don't have a clue about respect. heard last week from some teachers about how high school students carry on conversations and whatnot during the pledge of allegience.

respect is very important in order to survive in this world, and quite frankly, what i seem from kids today scares me. it's all about them.

elementary school....well i know they line them up and whatnot, but hey, have you tried controlling a bunch of school age children all at one time.

apparently the administrator sees need for this type of behavior/training, so they're providing it in the school system.

and about the flag comment at the base....if i'm somewhere and the flag is being tended to, i stop and pay respect to it. that flag is a symbol of our freedom, and so many lives have been given to ensure our freedoms.

if guess if there's really an issue at the school, then contact the school board. maybe there's something you don't know by not being there day in and day out.
Another POV

Villa Rica, GA

#15 Oct 16, 2010
Concerned45 wrote:
<quoted text>
Obviously you have no idea how things work in a normal School front office environment. My opinion is based on a combination of 17 years of experience in dealing with the front office staff at not only Dorsett Shoals, but the middle school and high school also.
Your message is rather comical since I am a retired educator. Your issue and your time is no more valuable than anyone else standing in that front office who ARE politely waiting for announcements to be completed and following school procedures. The school operates according to a schedule created to protect instructional time. Announcements are important parts of the day for teachers, staff, office personnel, and visitors. The school's operational information is published in the handbook, and you pledge yearly to abide by the school's policies and procedures. As a mother with 17 years of experience under her belt, surely you've realized that coming in during announcements and dismissal is a hectic time?

Kudos to that administrator who runs a tight ship and expects EVERYONE to comply with school procedures and policies and not just those feel like it. Just because you were chastised for not following school protocol doesn't mean it's a bad school or the administrator is not doing her job. It'd say she's on top of her game. It means you should follow the rules, show some respect, and plan your mornings better, not to mention learn to take constructive criticism.
Another POV

Villa Rica, GA

#16 Oct 16, 2010
Concerned45 wrote:
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Although your relationship with the principal "might" be good, I am sure that you are in the minority. I have watched as wonderful teachers with years of experience have chosen to retire early rather than face another year of torture. I have also noticed that teachers who had been there for years were transferred to other schools instead of teachers that the new principal brought with her when the they had to cut back. The teachers who are there now cant say anything because they dont want to be fired.
As for your invitation, as I said before, I have had three children come through that school... I know very well what I am talking about. I am just the only one who is willing to say anything.
I'm sure that the furlough days, increased paperwork, increased responsibilities, less authority to deal with behavior, greater accountability, etc. have nothing to do with their decision to retire. Teachers go through multiple principals in their career, and some are terrific and others not. It is doubtful that a teacher will choose to retire over just a poor principal. And obviously you know nothing about teachers' rights to fair dismissal if you think a teacher bringing up issues at a school could get them fired. It's nearly impossible to fire a teacher given the current system of things. You're speaking entirely outside your realm of understanding. Being a mother does not make you an expert on the educational profession or on that school. You do like to stir the pot, do you not?

Since: Aug 10

Douglas County Ga

#17 Oct 16, 2010
I wish they'd run a tighter ship at Lithia Springs High. Those kids there are out of control, and call the shots. The Principal never comes out of his office to tend to anything either. Atleast DSES has a Principal that seems to care about the students and their futures. A lot more than I can say for the man now in charge of Lithia. My son has seen him once since the 1st day of school. I know that when I was in High school, our Principal was out in the halls everyday. If we had any problems at all, he would stop what ever it was that he was doing to tend to our problem.

Since: Oct 10

Douglasville, GA

#18 Oct 16, 2010
Another POV wrote:
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Your message is rather comical since I am a retired educator. Your issue and your time is no more valuable than anyone else standing in that front office who ARE politely waiting for announcements to be completed and following school procedures. The school operates according to a schedule created to protect instructional time. Announcements are important parts of the day for teachers, staff, office personnel, and visitors. The school's operational information is published in the handbook, and you pledge yearly to abide by the school's policies and procedures. As a mother with 17 years of experience under her belt, surely you've realized that coming in during announcements and dismissal is a hectic time?
Kudos to that administrator who runs a tight ship and expects EVERYONE to comply with school procedures and policies and not just those feel like it. Just because you were chastised for not following school protocol doesn't mean it's a bad school or the administrator is not doing her job. It'd say she's on top of her game. It means you should follow the rules, show some respect, and plan your mornings better, not to mention learn to take constructive criticism.
Just because you say you are a "retired educator" doesn't mean you know anything about the situation to which I am referring, unless of course you are someone from DSES. Either way, as I said before, my concern is for my child and others who have children at the school. My intent was that they should look into what is happening and decide for themselves.

If your child goes to DSES, ASK THEM what they are being told to do during the principals "morning message" and then decide what you think about the methods she is using.
Demeaterious

United States

#19 Oct 16, 2010
Concerned45 wrote:
I am a parent of a 5th Grader who attends Dorsett Shoals Elementary, and I have noticed some disturbing changes since last year we got a new principal. If you have a child in this school you should be very worried.
The new principal is using brainwashing techniques on your children. I was there dropping off a donation for the fall festival and it was during the time when they have morning announcements. I was shocked by what I heard. The principal has the children all repeating word for word her messages. It wasnt what she was saying that was so bad, but the technique that she was using that was disturbing.
I was also informed that anyone in the building including me, an ADULT trying to get to work on time, was expected to stand silently and wait for her to finish talking before I could even talk to anyone about why I was there! The last time I checked I had already made it through elementary, middle, high school, and even college!
I was then further insulted by the principal herself when she was finally finished with her "message", she proceeded to come to the front area and ask if everyone had heard the message because she thought she had heard someone talking! I don't know what planet this woman is from, but she needs to go and take a look at the first ammendment of the United States.
I can only imagine what other kind of dictator type rules she has imposed on anyone and everyone there. I have certianly noticed how unhappy all the teachers and staff are when I am there. My child has been at Dorsett for over 5 years now, it is nothing like it used to be. You feel like you are visiting someone in a prision where everyone is an inmate, not a happy nurturing environment of learning.
I am taking my child out of this school in her 5th grade year because if this is an example of how this woman thinks she should be running a school, then my child doesn't belong there.
was the word for word they were repeating, the pledge of allegience?

Since: Oct 10

Douglasville, GA

#20 Oct 16, 2010
Demeaterious wrote:
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was the word for word they were repeating, the pledge of allegience?
No...not at all.. I have no problem with the pledge and I also stop and look at the flag, cover my heart and say the pledge. Just to answer some of the responses that referred to respecting the flag.

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