Since: Jul 07

Douglasville

#41 Jun 11, 2011
Linda wrote:
@mugsy --hiding slaves, teaching them to read, etc was illegal also. That law was changed. Some laws are just plain wrong and need to be changed to reflect better who we are as good, decent Americans.
When the law is wrong it takes people with backbone to say so and to choose to disobey. I can tell you right now that I WILL help people get medical help. I WILL help people who need food, I WILL help people get an education. My conscience would not let me do otherwise.
And I believe that there are a lot of good people in the U.S. who will do the right thing --maybe not the legal thing.
There are a lot of things in this world that are unethical...but guess what ILLEGAL IS still illegal. If they follow the law I have no problem helping in what ever way I can...but still ILLEGAL is wrong. When someone sneaks in without the benefit of green cards, they pay no taxes except consumption tax, they have no insurance, this hits you in the pocket, taking aways from every hard working American. If you haven't noticed we are almost bankrupt...we can not afford to continue to pay for individuals that don't pull their own.

If you did studies on who was coming over the border you too would be worried. This is how terroist get into this coutry. But that's a whole other thread.

Since you want to bring up laws that are unethical would you like to debate gay marriage...after all it's unethical to withhold a right of any other American to legally wed their partner. Ethically this is a right that anyone should have. But wait that's not the "Christian" thing to do is it. Pick and choose your ethics.
Trini Mon

San Fernando, Trinidad and Tobago

#42 Jun 12, 2011
What is Christian about violating a country's laws?

Since: Jul 07

Douglasville

#43 Jun 12, 2011
Linda replied: "I am also concerned about the totally unChristian aspect of the law. The gospels give us an example of helping others as the Christian way to live based on the way Christ lived while on earth. He healed without respect for gender, race or birthplace. Most Americans are better than this law. Any law that makes it illegal to help someone find a place to live, illegal to give someone a ride for medical help, and illegal to help provide food for someone who is hungry is not based on Christian principles."

Just wondering why she is mixing ethics with Christianity...not the same thing
Linda

Cumming, GA

#44 Jun 12, 2011
Right - morality and legality are not the same. And morality should always win --but it doesn't. Legislators make laws to increase their income (they do whatever the lobbyists buy them for), they do it for a specific group that is pressuring them to do it. Many times our laws have nothing to do with what is really right. I believe that Christianity also in theory believes in the power of choice. Who am I to legislate who someone else can love as long as it is in the bounds of doing no harm. Actually --my gay cousin's marriage to her partner really has not hurt my marriage, or my children's marriage or my parent's marriage or the marriages of any of my friends at all. Who am I to impose my standards on her?

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#45 Jun 12, 2011
Perhaps we should concentrate on helping our own citizens instead of taking care of illegals. Although most, if not all, of our citizens who have hit hard times aren't paying taxes, at least they LEGALLY belong here. They have as much "right" to our resources as any other citizen. Sorry, libs. I'm not including those who make a living off playing the system. I'm referring to hard working citizens whom have fallen on hard times.
The main reason we don't have legal citizens picking the crops, is the same reason we have illegals jumping the border everyday. There are NO checks and balances. No one is expected to do what they can to "pay back" what they have been given by the government. Add to that irresponsible parents who totally financially support their able bodied kids, but don't want them to get their hands dirty. The problem is systemic. No cure is on the horrizon as far as I can tell.
Linda

Cumming, GA

#46 Jun 12, 2011
But this thread is not about gay marriage. It is about illegal immigrants and the mean-spirited/unChristian law that has been signed. Helping the sick, feeding the poor, giving aid to those who need it (good morality) trumps. AND to make a law that makes criminals of those who do the moral thing is not a good law. Our American history is replete with heroes who fought against bad laws.
General Lee

Irving, TX

#47 Jun 12, 2011
Linda wrote:
I also worked as a teenager picking crops, packing tomatoes ( 13-15 hour days sometimes) to earn money. Many middle class white kids did in those days. In my state, Mexicans, "southerners" (poor white southern people whom none of us were allowed to hang out with or date) and black workers worked the fields with middle class white kids. Middle class kids no longer do that kind of work, and the poor white southerners, and black farm workers do not travel the fruit/vegetable farm work cycle. We cut off our nose to spite our face when we make such harsh laws that do not even allow Christian help and charity for God's children. I would hate to be one of the legislators who voted yes on the law and get to St. Peter's Gate and hear the pronouncement --You have done it to the least of these - you have done it to ME. Christian living doesn't stop at the church door.
It doesn't start with "ILLEGAL LIVING" either.

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#48 Jun 15, 2011
I was listening t0 the radio on the way into the office. Framers was commenting on Deals idea for them to hire x-cons. Framers don't seem to like that idea to much. And from the x-cons calling in they didn't either. I guest times aren't that hard?

Since: Oct 08

Atlanta, GA

#49 Jun 15, 2011
Linda wrote:
I am also concerned about the totally unChristian aspect of the law. The gospels give us an example of helping others as the Christian way to live based on the way Christ lived while on earth. He healed without respect for gender, race or birthplace. Most Americans are better than this law. Any law that makes it illegal to help someone find a place to live, illegal to give someone a ride for medical help, and illegal to help provide food for someone who is hungry is not based on Christian principles.
I think it's very UN Christian to live as an illegal alien. Apply for citizenship. I think it's also UN Christian to steal from the Government and not pay taxes. I think it's very UN Christian to drive with out a license or insurance. I think it's very UN Christian to put down those that want our laws upheld. I think it's very UN Christian to sell drugs or traffic humans. I think it's very UN Christian to chop off people's heads....you get my drift? Shall I go on?

Since: Oct 08

Atlanta, GA

#50 Jun 15, 2011
u r clueless wrote:
<quoted text>
R u really this dumb?
She's consistent in her remarks.

Since: Oct 08

Atlanta, GA

#51 Jun 15, 2011
The jobs Mexican's take are NOT just agricultural related. There are thousands working in the warehouses on FIB and in our restaurants, hotels, stores, so on and on.

The jobs ya'll are talking about are seasonal. I think that the farmers can get off their duffs and find out of school college kids or high school students to pick their crops. I personally like the idea of hiring the criminals. They need to work on their work ethic. REALLY!

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#52 Jun 15, 2011
ANON ME wrote:
The jobs Mexican's take are NOT just agricultural related. There are thousands working in the warehouses on FIB and in our restaurants, hotels, stores, so on and on.
The jobs ya'll are talking about are seasonal. I think that the farmers can get off their duffs and find out of school college kids or high school students to pick their crops. I personally like the idea of hiring the criminals. They need to work on their work ethic. REALLY!
I agree but it seems neither party want to work with each other. You can't make farmers hire ex-cons and you can't make ex-cons work. So what can we do?

Since: Jan 10

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#53 Jun 15, 2011
NYC718 wrote:
I was listening t0 the radio on the way into the office. Framers was commenting on Deals idea for them to hire x-cons. Framers don't seem to like that idea to much. And from the x-cons calling in they didn't either. I guest times aren't that hard?
What's a framer?

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#54 Jun 15, 2011
Bill in Dville wrote:
<quoted text>
What's a framer?
sorry typo I meant farmer. But if you are just looking for what a framer is I think it has something to do with construction.

Since: Oct 08

Atlanta, GA

#55 Jun 15, 2011
NYC718 wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree but it seems neither party want to work with each other. You can't make farmers hire ex-cons and you can't make ex-cons work. So what can we do?
Cut off the criminal's handouts. They'll get hungry and go to work. The farmers need to get a clue on their own.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#56 Jun 15, 2011
There are always community service "recipients" in addition to incarcerated individuals who could do the farm work. Of course, the libs would probably protest that civil rights are being violated.
dr zeus

Duluth, GA

#57 Jun 15, 2011
Synergy wrote:
There are always community service "recipients" in addition to incarcerated individuals who could do the farm work. Of course, the libs would probably protest that civil rights are being violated.
Coummunity service "workers" is a good idea, the problem with that is they would skip over every 8 heads of lettuce to pick one, like they do when they are picking up trash on the side of the road. They walk pass a ton of garbage and pick a piece up every 20 feet or so.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#58 Jun 15, 2011
dr zeus wrote:
<quoted text>Coummunity service "workers" is a good idea, the problem with that is they would skip over every 8 heads of lettuce to pick one, like they do when they are picking up trash on the side of the road. They walk pass a ton of garbage and pick a piece up every 20 feet or so.
Good point.
Supervision would definitely come into play. Perhaps someone with a vested interest?
I suppose this idea would fall into the same category as most other ideas. Until there are consequences for not following through, nothing positive will get accomplished.
dr zeus

Duluth, GA

#59 Jun 15, 2011
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>
Good point.
Supervision would definitely come into play. Perhaps someone with a vested interest?
I suppose this idea would fall into the same category as most other ideas. Until there are consequences for not following through, nothing positive will get accomplished.
pay by the pick not by the hour = results.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#60 Jun 15, 2011
dr zeus wrote:
<quoted text>pay by the pick not by the hour = results.
Ahhhh...yes. I believe that would work except for those with an "screw it" attitude. There just isn't any help for THAT particular group.

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