BayMeadows Lake Owners Meeting
Lawdy Lawd

Douglas, GA

#142 Mar 3, 2013
But if the ponds were not full and they contained much of the rain that fell, didn't that minimize flooding downstream?

When the dam broke a few years ago and the lake emptied, yes, that contributed to flooding.

What am I missing? Water was released to prevent the dam from breaking again. Had it broken, the water would have likely been up to GR's windows even though the house is on stilts. No?
Wayward Son

Athens, GA

#143 Mar 3, 2013
Keep Calm and Carry On wrote:
In short the pond was over developed for the most waterfront property for those that require such in their life and maximize profit for AP without regards to proper planning and enough environmental oversight. Too many people's greed has ruined this area that with small scale development would have been appropriate, but for Pete's sake, they made an island so they could have a gated community in the woods where there is no fence, but a gate that you can drive around.....Freud could have some serious fun with all of this.
Look, I agree the development of the community was not ideal. But you are still just throwing out insults. Saying that people are greedy does not really lend anything to the discussion. What greedy actions did they take? How do those actions cause the problems we are discussing? The executives at Enron were greedy, they defrauded investors out of millions, but that didn't cause any flooding.
Gator

Lawrenceville, GA

#144 Mar 3, 2013
Lawdy Lawd wrote:
But if the ponds were not full and they contained much of the rain that fell, didn't that minimize flooding downstream?
When the dam broke a few years ago and the lake emptied, yes, that contributed to flooding.
What am I missing? Water was released to prevent the dam from breaking again. Had it broken, the water would have likely been up to GR's windows even though the house is on stilts. No?
Well said.
Please

Gray, GA

#145 Mar 3, 2013
I remember GR bragging on Topix about owning property at BM. Either a hypocrite or more likely wishing thinking....
Oh Dear Me

Moultrie, GA

#146 Mar 3, 2013
Wayward Son wrote:
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Look, I agree the development of the community was not ideal. But you are still just throwing out insults. Saying that people are greedy does not really lend anything to the discussion. What greedy actions did they take? How do those actions cause the problems we are discussing? The executives at Enron were greedy, they defrauded investors out of millions, but that didn't cause any flooding.
Can't you see that the over development of the property is such a horrific manner is the greed showing from the original owner and the people that pushed for more "lake" front property. Like drugs, if there is no demand, there is no need to increase supply. The physical development of the property is what has caused the flooding and excessive runoff. I've just started reading this thread and can clearly see all of this. This isn't something that has happened over night, nor the responsibility of many of the current homeowners, but the excessive property "values" for a weedy bit of pond front property is part of the problem. If you can not see the greed in this community for appearance sake show that you do not see clearly about the people around you. This community is about money versus those without money instead of quality people and community. The snobbery is overwhelming and contributes to such flooding when development has not been done properly or to excess.
RUAFOOL

Douglas, GA

#147 Mar 3, 2013
If you speak of greedy ask Gunrunner why she lives in a flood zone and wants other people to pay her for stupidity. Move your stuff when it sets into rain 13 inches. Common sense dictates you have to protect your property not stand around and let it happen and then stick your greedy hands out and play the blame game.
Oh Dear Me

Moultrie, GA

#148 Mar 3, 2013
Isn't that what happens in New Orleans and all those Dutch countries? I mean, yeah you know this area is prone to floods and so does the mortgage company, so why don't you have the house on a lifted foundation, even trailers can be on a lifted foundation. Just think of all that secure storage you can have under your home for most of the time. Wouldn't it be nice to just drive under your house to park the car, or lawn mower, or tuck those yard tools up somewhere. Just do it on a lifted cinder block foundation supported with beams and bam, a man cave! Or a place to lock your man up when you are tired of hearing from him, or the wife. No one would know you had a person under there!
Wayward Son

Athens, GA

#149 Mar 3, 2013
Oh Dear Me wrote:
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Can't you see that the over development of the property is such a horrific manner is the greed showing from the original owner and the people that pushed for more "lake" front property. Like drugs, if there is no demand, there is no need to increase supply. The physical development of the property is what has caused the flooding and excessive runoff. I've just started reading this thread and can clearly see all of this. This isn't something that has happened over night, nor the responsibility of many of the current homeowners, but the excessive property "values" for a weedy bit of pond front property is part of the problem. If you can not see the greed in this community for appearance sake show that you do not see clearly about the people around you. This community is about money versus those without money instead of quality people and community. The snobbery is overwhelming and contributes to such flooding when development has not been done properly or to excess.
There are several insults in this post. Neither you nor carry on can stop slinging insults long enough to create a post with any substance. Greed doesn't make it rain or cause flooding.
tater

United States

#150 Mar 3, 2013
Keep Calm and Carry On wrote:
In short the pond was over developed for the most waterfront property for those that require such in their life and maximize profit for AP without regards to proper planning and enough environmental oversight. Too many people's greed has ruined this area that with small scale development would have been appropriate, but for Pete's sake, they made an island so they could have a gated community in the woods where there is no fence, but a gate that you can drive around.....Freud could have some serious fun with all of this.
Speaking that third grade english again.....wow
Oh Dear Me

Moultrie, GA

#151 Mar 3, 2013
Wayward Son wrote:
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There are several insults in this post. Neither you nor carry on can stop slinging insults long enough to create a post with any substance. Greed doesn't make it rain or cause flooding.
The greed that cause the over development of the land does cause flooding, just like much surface flooding in the cities is cause by the desire to develop it. Why couldn't BM have plots of land 5+ acres? Because less would be sold and more money made by chopping it up in smaller bits, more houses, more development, less area for the water to flow and be absorbed naturally, therefore the greed of development lead to excessive flooding that did not occur prior to the tipping point of the development. As clearly stated by others that have lived here as long as I have, flooding at or below the pond was not always a problem until the last couple of decades where the development boomed beyond what nature could handle on her own. Greed is what it is. Insult or the truth, take it as you will, apparently you will see what you want to see and not the truth no matter how unpleasant it is for you.
Gun Runner

Hamilton, OH

#152 Mar 3, 2013
If there was not a dam there would not be a pond.

You built a dam to have a pond.

When the amount of water in your pond threatened your dam you opened the damn flood gates.

You drowned out others to protect your pond.

Remove the damn and let the water flow naturally.

This also eliminates the grass problem.
Lawdy Lawd

Douglas, GA

#153 Mar 3, 2013
Oh Dear Me wrote:
<quoted text>
Can't you see that the over development of the property is such a horrific manner is the greed showing from the original owner and the people that pushed for more "lake" front property. Like drugs, if there is no demand, there is no need to increase supply. The physical development of the property is what has caused the flooding and excessive runoff. I've just started reading this thread and can clearly see all of this. This isn't something that has happened over night, nor the responsibility of many of the current homeowners, but the excessive property "values" for a weedy bit of pond front property is part of the problem. If you can not see the greed in this community for appearance sake show that you do not see clearly about the people around you. This community is about money versus those without money instead of quality people and community. The snobbery is overwhelming and contributes to such flooding when development has not been done properly or to excess.
I moved here because I could not afford Green Tree or the Golf Club. Turns out, I'm glad I'm here. I sure had no idea that all of this would be an issue one day. Snobbery? I find most of the people here to be down-to-earth, hard-working folks just like me. I had noting to do with the development of this place. I can't change the past. I am grateful for those people who worked to save the dam so that it would not breach and empty the lake into GR's yard...again.

What do you complainers propose? That we take the dam down and all live on a muddy bed so that GR can live close to the creek? Even if that happened, GR's yard would still flood with the amount of rain we had these past weeks. I have friends who live next to the river. Guess what. They got flooded. Their house is on stilts, and they moved their stuff to higher ground. It's not the first time it has happened, but they understand that is the price they pay to live on the river.
Oh Dear Me

Moultrie, GA

#154 Mar 3, 2013
Lawdy Lawd wrote:
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I moved here because I could not afford Green Tree or the Golf Club. Turns out, I'm glad I'm here. I sure had no idea that all of this would be an issue one day. Snobbery? I find most of the people here to be down-to-earth, hard-working folks just like me. I had noting to do with the development of this place. I can't change the past. I am grateful for those people who worked to save the dam so that it would not breach and empty the lake into GR's yard...again.
What do you complainers propose? That we take the dam down and all live on a muddy bed so that GR can live close to the creek? Even if that happened, GR's yard would still flood with the amount of rain we had these past weeks. I have friends who live next to the river. Guess what. They got flooded. Their house is on stilts, and they moved their stuff to higher ground. It's not the first time it has happened, but they understand that is the price they pay to live on the river.
You are right that most folks are good, hard working people out there. It was the prime spot like Green Tree and the Club of its day, which is where all of this damage is coming from. There are still some snobby bunch out there, especially on that little island/gated community. I know because I have friends and family out there, so I have seen both sides of that social dynamic. If those original families had not decided to move up to the newest subdivision and build instead of remodel, many would not have had the opportunity to live out there, nor pay a somewhat reduced price for the goods. I also don't understand the build new instead of remodel, but that is another subject. The issue is the roots of the flooding and human desire to live on the right side of the tracks/creek, when one side is no better than the other, as you have said yourself.
jack

United States

#155 Mar 3, 2013
Gun Runner wrote:
If there was not a dam there would not be a pond.
You built a dam to have a pond.
When the amount of water in your pond threatened your dam you opened the damn flood gates.
You drowned out others to protect your pond.
Remove the damn and let the water flow naturally.
This also eliminates the grass problem.
Look at the good side of this. Gun Runner is now lake side. One day creek side and the next day lake side. hehehe, So funny
Oh Dear Me

Moultrie, GA

#156 Mar 3, 2013
I can hear the theme music now.....Movin On Up to the Lake Side!
obvious

United States

#157 Mar 3, 2013
This thread is so full of envy that its ridiculous
jack

United States

#158 Mar 3, 2013
Gun Runner wrote:
If there was not a dam there would not be a pond.
You built a dam to have a pond.
When the amount of water in your pond threatened your dam you opened the damn flood gates.
You drowned out others to protect your pond.
Remove the damn and let the water flow naturally.
This also eliminates the grass problem.
I,am sorry Gun Runner, your now pond side. hehehe hahaha so funny
Gun Runner

Hamilton, OH

#159 Mar 3, 2013
jack wrote:
<quoted text>I,am sorry Gun Runner, your now pond side. hehehe hahaha so funny
I'd be ashamed to have you as a neighbor!
jack

United States

#160 Mar 3, 2013
Gun Runner wrote:
<quoted text>
I'd be ashamed to have you as a neighbor!
As Iam ashamed of you. Now go and sit by your pond.
Wayward Son

Athens, GA

#161 Mar 3, 2013
Oh Dear Me wrote:
<quoted text>
The greed that cause the over development of the land does cause flooding, just like much surface flooding in the cities is cause by the desire to develop it. Why couldn't BM have plots of land 5+ acres? Because less would be sold and more money made by chopping it up in smaller bits, more houses, more development, less area for the water to flow and be absorbed naturally, therefore the greed of development lead to excessive flooding that did not occur prior to the tipping point of the development. As clearly stated by others that have lived here as long as I have, flooding at or below the pond was not always a problem until the last couple of decades where the development boomed beyond what nature could handle on her own. Greed is what it is. Insult or the truth, take it as you will, apparently you will see what you want to see and not the truth no matter how unpleasant it is for you.
You are correct that development can change watershed and contribute to flooding, but that effect is usually minimal from neighborhoods. But, I like your example. When stores like wal-mart or lowe's develop a large lot that changes the watershed have you ever noticed what they do to control run off? THEY BUILD A HOLDING POND.

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