old fashioned

Aquilla, TX

#21 Sep 30, 2008
Guest wrote:
Where would you rather them hang out? The bar. Get a grip. They shouldn't be out in the street. But I think the library is a damn good place for kids to hang out. If you don't like it my advice is it GET OVER IT.
I think you misunderstood someones earlier comment. I have been there and the "hanging out" comment to me is the fact they are there, not using any of the library`s resources, blocking the sidewalk and the steps, standing in front of the door and just showing a gross lack of respect for some of the older folks trying to enter the building. Hey, it would be great if the place was packed from our youth using it for it`s purpose.
I am confused by the mentality of the "there is nothing to do or no place to goe" comment that seems to be the defense offered by most parents when the police talk to them about their child.
Are the parents concerned about where their kids are? Parents don`t talk to them and keep in touch like they used to. If the kids can congregate at the library, why can`t they do the same at a friends house? Perhaps they are doing something they don`t want their parents seeing ,or, do the parents say ,hey, out of sight out of mind? As for your comment about "if you don`t like my advise GET OVER IT" it was very immature, if you are old enough to have children I think we know where they "hang out"
joe-pa

Milwaukee, WI

#22 Sep 30, 2008
just me wrote:
Yeah its a good place for kids to hang out if they are INSIDE do things they are supposed to be doing like reading or studying.......... not outside smoking pot and disrupting others!
Good comment,Isnt there a loitering law.People cant park and talk in the armory parking lot so why should under aged KIDS be able to loiter and be out after curfew.Hope i spelled that right.
Write em up

Aquilla, TX

#23 Sep 30, 2008
joe-pa wrote:
<quoted text>Good comment,Isnt there a loitering law.People cant park and talk in the armory parking lot so why should under aged KIDS be able to loiter and be out after curfew.Hope i spelled that right.
Yes I think there is a loitering law.
How fast would that story get around town when the police enforce it? There would be a new topix post about "police ticket young children walking to use library" or "Police deprive youth from education" When people let their dogs run loose they get tickets so why can`t they have a child at large ordinance and ticket the parents for the kids behavior?
advk8 from Doniphan

Romance, AR

#24 Sep 30, 2008
Kids and young adults:
What would you like to see community wise happen in Doniphan to get you more involved in any kind of healthy and energizing activity? Please just serious answers...I'd really like to know...
didnt know

El Dorado Springs, MO

#25 Sep 30, 2008
all im sayin is they need to have a little more respect for the older people goin to the library and for people drivin down the road..and ur by a church so u should have a little respect for all the foul language.im not sayin the kids r on drugs cause i dont know that for sure.all im sayin is have a little respect.if u want respect then u have to give a little respect too.and i have heard that when a few boys i dont know which ones but i have heard that a few boys was walkin to the library past this one womans house and they was caught by here peekin in her bathroom window.how would u like it if someone did this to u.just think about what im sayin.im not sayin the kids are all bad im just sayin have a little repect.
guest

Greenbrier, AR

#26 Sep 30, 2008
sodas are a drug as well... caffeine. as is alcohol.
Shane

Orange City, FL

#27 Oct 1, 2008
Being that I lived in Doniphan all my life I have to put my two cents in. Everyone wants to talk about how kids are so bad now a days but no one wants to do anything about it. Try talking to the mayor and see what he says or some other town official. When I was a kid and teen we all hung out at the skating rink across from Quick Connection and after that was gone it was down at the boat landing. Even before I graduated high school finding something to do became harder and harder. How about raising some money some how to build those kids a skate park, or rent out a building and put in some pool tables and video games, or get some of those parents who don't have a job get together and organize something fun for the kids to do. I know everything is real tight when it comes to money but if you don't give the kids something to do they'll turn out just like the low lives you are all talking about. Get some of those people in Doniphan with money to help out, I know there are some. Or how about some people get together out of the kindness of their hearts and find a way to raise money for something like that. I'm sorry to say this for those who don't agree but that town does owe those kids something. It owes them somewhere to go where they can be themselves and feel safe and not have to get judged for what they like to do. I'm defending those kids that have good intentions they just have no outlet for their energy. Not the ones who are on drugs and have already screwed up. I think if the town would come together as a town and not as redneck, or snob, or skank, or skater, or welfare mom, or anything else that we can call eachother then maybe something possitive would happen with the kids in that town. I agree those kids should show respect to the adults who go down there but they may have not been taught to show respect. Just remember that one day those kids will be old enough to have power in that town and some of those kids may even end up taking care of some of you old folks so be careful how you treat them. Treat them with the same respect that you think you deserve to be treated with. Sometimes one kind word can change a kids like forever. And yes I again wrote a book to make my point. Sue me.
out of control

Greenbrier, AR

#28 Oct 1, 2008
The last time I used the library,(this week), there were about 10 to 15 kids hanging out in front of the building. Most were to the right side, under a small tree and by the right side entrance. As I pulled up; a couple of kids were throwing sticks/ground items at each other. I felt I had to park half a block away to protect my car from getting hit by the items that they were throwing at each other.
While in the library I was surprised by the number of kids who were milling around, making noise, running, and being loud and showing off. The kids would cluster together and act well, juvenile. It was clear that they were not there to check out books, but there to hangout with their friends and visit.
I don't have anything against kids, but I found their behavior out of control for a small library. It was difficult to get to the front desk because of the kids standing around it acting stupid. I want kids to use the library to expand their minds and learn more about different things. But the library doesn't need to turn into a juvenile hangout that stops, others-(taxpayers)from using the library.
The library

Saint Louis, MO

#29 Oct 1, 2008
I feel sorry for the people running the library. This puts them in a bad spot. It is the PUBLIC Library and you want kids to hang out there. But you don't want them being disruptive, causing problems, disrupting traffic, and running off other patrons.

The problem is the parents. As a business owner who has dealt with this same problem, I pity the library. You can call the cops and risk them vandalizing your property. You should be able to maturely address the problem with the parents who often drop the kids off and pick them up. But the parents are often even more immature and disrespectful than the kids. And they really just want them out of their hair for a few hours.

The same parents won't understand why everyone is picking on their kid when they go to visit the same punks on Sunday at the local jail.

“U R who U choose to B! ”

Since: Sep 08

Doniphan, MO

#30 Oct 1, 2008
The library wrote:
I feel sorry for the people running the library. This puts them in a bad spot. It is the PUBLIC Library and you want kids to hang out there. But you don't want them being disruptive, causing problems, disrupting traffic, and running off other patrons.
The problem is the parents. As a business owner who has dealt with this same problem, I pity the library. You can call the cops and risk them vandalizing your property. You should be able to maturely address the problem with the parents who often drop the kids off and pick them up. But the parents are often even more immature and disrespectful than the kids. And they really just want them out of their hair for a few hours.
The same parents won't understand why everyone is picking on their kid when they go to visit the same punks on Sunday at the local jail.
The problem isn't ALL the parents..Some of us are still responsible for our kids. I refuse to let my daughter hang out at the library, because of what I have seen & heard about there.
peacegirl

Faridabad, India

#31 Oct 1, 2008
Just my opinion...The problems begin with the parents. I have a 15 year old son. He loves his skateboard. But...he's only allowed to use it in our driveway. Maybe if the parents of the kids hanging out at the library would hang out with their kids they would see what's going on. Our job as parents is to TEACH our children. I agree the kids shouldn't be disrespectful, but ultimately the blame belongs to the parents. I also don't believe welfare has anything to do with it. Not everyone who lives in our town draws welfare. Irregardless of who receives welfare, parents are responisble for their children.
I agree with you

United States

#32 Oct 1, 2008
peacegirl wrote:
Just my opinion...The problems begin with the parents. I have a 15 year old son. He loves his skateboard. But...he's only allowed to use it in our driveway. Maybe if the parents of the kids hanging out at the library would hang out with their kids they would see what's going on. Our job as parents is to TEACH our children. I agree the kids shouldn't be disrespectful, but ultimately the blame belongs to the parents. I also don't believe welfare has anything to do with it. Not everyone who lives in our town draws welfare. Irregardless of who receives welfare, parents are responisble for their children.
I agree , the problem lies with the parents. I went there the other day with my daughter. She seen there was people hanging out, she wanted to stay and hang out too. I said No Way. These kids are not chaperoned and they look restless.
I dont believe all these kids parents are on welfare. Alot of the kids parents probably work. I used to work second shift. You have to have a spouse or someone there to make sure the kids are in line.
There is something called welfare mentality that affect everyone in this country. It is the idea that someone else needs to change things, to make things better , that someone else owes us something, like a better living, or the town owes us something, a place for our kids to hang out. I didnt have any of these things , and I turned out fine. We need to start making due with what we have and not expect anyone to make things better except us.

“Livin' and Dyin' in 3/4 Time”

Since: Aug 08

Doniphan, MO

#33 Oct 1, 2008
I walked through that area last Friday evening, a little after 7. There were 20 or so teens distributed on both sides of the street hanging out. Other than one little dude that thought he'd stare me down, I didn't see anything terrible wrong going on. However, there is an incident of vandalism in that area nearly every week and if that continues there will be serious crackdown on that street. You can bet on it. Hanging out is a teenage tradition that goes back for generations. It is part of being a teenager. However, if whomever of these young adults continue to cause property damage, violate city ordinances and offend people with their language and behavior, Their going to have to move on.
...As for the young dude that was eyeballin' me in front of the library; if you are going to try to be a tough guy, try not to look so much like a girl...
joe-pa

Milwaukee, WI

#34 Oct 1, 2008
guest wrote:
sodas are a drug as well... caffeine. as is alcohol.
Please, i guess Pizza and hamburgers are drugs also.
what

AOL

#35 Oct 1, 2008
guest wrote:
sodas are a drug as well... caffeine. as is alcohol.
It isn't illegal for children and young adults to drink sodas. IT IS, however, illegal for them to buy/smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol.
Why doesn't the librarian stop those kids from doing what they do? I have been there when the kids are running around inside the building, yelling and causing trouble. Can't the librarian call for the police to run these kids off?
Also, what I don't understand is that if I can drive by and see kids smoking, and loitering, why can't the police do that too?
I'm all for the youth having someplace to go and hang out, but they don't seem to be able to abide rules. Judging by some of their posts on here, these kids don't plan on doing so, so why should our money go to give them something to do and then have them trash it in a few months? I say they should do what I did as a kid, and do my homework, play out side, or read books. You know, something worthwhile.
thats wrong

Quitman, AR

#36 Oct 1, 2008
i agree wrote:
<quoted text>couldnt have put it better myself. free babysitters. the parents who let their kids hang out there need to get a job and keep their kids home. your little boys will end up getting a little girl pregnant or vise versa then who pays?
FYI that doesnt just happen to the kids that hang out at the library i know other as u guys would say high classs ppl who have kids like miranda mansess[wilson] ans charles so there

and another fyi u put little boys will be gettting littlw girls pregnant and vice versu girls cant get boys prego DUH
Little Bunny

Poplar Bluff, MO

#37 Oct 1, 2008
what wrote:
<quoted text>
It isn't illegal for children and young adults to drink sodas. IT IS, however, illegal for them to buy/smoke cigarettes and drink alcohol.
Why doesn't the librarian stop those kids from doing what they do? I have been there when the kids are running around inside the building, yelling and causing trouble. Can't the librarian call for the police to run these kids off?
Also, what I don't understand is that if I can drive by and see kids smoking, and loitering, why can't the police do that too?
I'm all for the youth having someplace to go and hang out, but they don't seem to be able to abide rules. Judging by some of their posts on here, these kids don't plan on doing so, so why should our money go to give them something to do and then have them trash it in a few months? I say they should do what I did as a kid, and do my homework, play out side, or read books. You know, something worthwhile.
I agree 100% with everything you have said,It seem's this is the ideal place to "hang"out because they have a bathroom,phone,water fountain and free internet.Now why would they want to go anywhere else?
I think we has citizen's should attend the next City Council meeting and ask them what we are supposed to do about this?And why the City Cop's are not doing anything about this.I have also noticed since these young kid's are hanging around town all the vandalism that has been going on,I am not pointing finger's,But so much just tie's in with this,Since they have all been hanging around the Library and the park,Just in this general area.I noticed in the paper today about another business getting there window knocked out,What is going on in our town?And why can't they go hang out down at the river front,There is a big parking lot there for them to skate on,But i forgot,There is none of the above mentioned item's convient for them there.
friend

Greenbrier, AR

#38 Oct 1, 2008
I myself am upset with the unfriendly turn are library has taken on. This is just a suggestion. Maybe the school would allow the library to use one of there gyms to hold a public meeting for all of us who are unhappy with the library and the kids. Then all who have complaints could bring positive suggestions to the meeting on fixing the problem. One or three stops by the police in a week is not going to stop the kids that hang out there. I'm not saying the police are not doing there jobs. The kids don't really have anything or anywhere to go. They are not all bad kids but I don't agree with the library being a hang out for kids who are not using the library as intended. I say this because I to used to go there after work with my children to check out books and movies. This all came to an end when my youngest heard an inappropriate word that took me three weeks to convince them they could not say. I love to read and I love to use the library, I just do it on my lunch hour now. Maybe they could make a rule that no one under 17 can not be there without parental supervision. Why don't some of us volenteer to help the librarians in the afternoons after school when the kids are there. I know I work in an office and between the phone, paperwork and people coming in all day there is no way I would have time to police the parking lot and make phone calls to the P.D. to have people removed at the volume the library has everyday after school. I don't know that any of this would work, but I'd rather try something positive to help the library out then running all the kids who do go there into the ground. They are not all bad. Some of the parents may not even be aware of how there children are acting at the library. I just think we need to get up and do something positive instead of gripping about it.
Old fashioned

United States

#39 Oct 1, 2008
friend; I agree with your idea about maybe an age requirment to be unacompanied ( like at the movies). However I can`t understand the repeated comments, both on this site and others, about the kids not having any place to goe. Its not like they are homeless. If they are just "hanging out" and visiting can`t that be done at a friends house?
I think it is going to take law enforcment intervention to curb the loiters and the vandals,but,when they do I feel sorry for the cops because the parents who don`t know where their kids are or what they are doing will be the first ones claiming harassment & mistreatment.
country boy

New Cambria, KS

#40 Oct 1, 2008
"parents who don`t know where their kids are or what they are doing"

That's also known as neglect

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