Massive quarry, underground limestone...

Massive quarry, underground limestone mine planned in Robbins

There are 85 comments on the The Southtown Star story from Oct 11, 2013, titled Massive quarry, underground limestone mine planned in Robbins. In it, The Southtown Star reports that:

A west-suburban developer is looking to acquire massive swaths of land in Robbins and turn it into an industrial megaplex complete with a quarry, an underground mine, asphalt and concrete factories, and a therapy horse ranch, according to an agreement village officials quietly approved earlier this year.

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He Happened to Forget

Maywood, IL

#41 Oct 18, 2013
The lawsuits were filed about nine months after ALM Resources was founded and about three months before the company signed the development agreement with Robbins, records from the Illinois secretary of state’s office show. The Robbins agreement stipulates that there are no pending lawsuits against the developer that threaten the project.

Or Something FAR WORSE AND SINISTER?
Who will Sponsor the Bill

Maywood, IL

#42 Oct 19, 2013
October Surprise or wrote:
<quoted text>
Trick or Treat?
You Be the Judge!
Will State Reps Will Davis and Bob Rita back the October Surprise, Now that they know better?
Pet Project

Maywood, IL

#43 Oct 20, 2013
Jimmy wrote:
That crap hole needs the money. They should mine the whole village and turn it into gravel. It's been nothing but a crap bowl since it's inception.
Robbins community residents have had one town hall meeting expressing opposition.

People from Robbins and surrounding communities are working people who won't be able to up and move away.
Plans for the Quarry certainly did not look at the "Big Picture" and the people who will be stuck with it.

All it will take is wind to “blow LIMESTONE DUST everywhere!"
Illinois Environmental Protection Agency needs to be involved, due to the potential for land, air, and water EPA and IEPA violations.

It is highly unlikely a well thought out plan ever existed for this pet project.
40 Million Not Enough

Maywood, IL

#44 Oct 20, 2013
$40 million still doesn't dig residents out of traffic
BY ALYSSA SAMSONAND MICHAEL AHENE
MAY 31, 2012S

Courtesy of Steve Marshak

A quarry is an open pit that is used for removing rocks and minerals and limestone quarries in the Chicago area provide strong and readily available construction materials.

Planned road improvements in order of priority, according to the Illinois Department of Transportation.

Fourteen years after the closing of Joliet Road, drivers wait impatiently at a four-way stop around the McCook Quarry, as the vehicles back up.

Residents surrounding the quarry still deal with persistent traffic congestion that has lingered on for more than a decade after the closing of Joliet Road near 55th Street and La Grange Road in the western suburbs.

Traffic is one of the biggest impacts that residents who live next to the 100-year-old quarry and two other large nearby quarries have grappled with in recent years.
 

State engineers began to notice large cracks and severe pavement damage on a stretch of Joliet Road, near La Grange, in the 1990s. Due to safety and structural integrity concerns a portion of the motorway was deemed unsafe by the state in 1998.

After further investigation, the state alleged that the weakened zone was a result of frequent blasting at the nearby quarry owned and operated by Vulcan Materials Co. The state held Vulcan responsible for the forced closing of the road, according to state documents.

“There are many factors identified over the years by the experts, there was never one conclusive factor for the road condition,” said Joshua Robbins, spokesperson for Vulcan Materials Company. Robbins said that, after years of trying to work through the issues, the state filed a lawsuit. 

Now, cars are directed around the quarry, causing frustrated residents and commuters. Two years after receiving $40 million from Vulcan for mitigation efforts, the Illinois Department of Transportation is still working to relieve the congestion.

Vulcan has operated in west suburban Cook County for over a century. The limestone quarry mines crushed stone in the production of construction materials that built Chicago and its burgeoning metropolitan area. The 650-acre McCook Quarry is located along Joliet Road and 55th Street near East Avenue in McCook. Vulcan has invested time, money and service into the area since its inception and sponsors many community events.
40 Million Not Enough

Maywood, IL

#45 Oct 20, 2013
Vulcan has operated in west suburban Cook County for over a century. The limestone quarry mines crushed stone in the production of construction materials that built Chicago and its burgeoning metropolitan area. The 650-acre McCook Quarry is located along Joliet Road and 55th Street near East Avenue in McCook. Vulcan has invested time, money and service into the area since its inception and sponsors many community events.

But there are several towns within close proximity of the mining at the quarries, a major industry in the area.
 
Limestone quarries don’t produce silica dust – dust from crystalized quartz that can cause breathing problems, said Steve Marshak, a geology professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.
However communities within close proximity to quarries could find blasting or noise to be a problem, Marshak said.

“The dust was absolutely horrendous,” said Cindy Lawn, a former resident of La Grange for eight years who lived near another quarry in the area.“I would vacuum every day – sometimes twice a day. When we got new carpet, there was half an inch of dust underneath the old carpet.”
 

Lawn said the dust came from another quarry in the area near her home and the trucks carrying the stone.
 

“I have never lived anywhere else like that,” Lawn said.

Over the years, Vulcan has created a nationally award-winning Lyons Township Quarry Advisory Council to help mitigate any concerns that the communities may have regarding Vulcan and the council includes the other quarry operators in the area. The council provides an opportunity for open conversations relating to operational issues about the quarries, while also staging community events. The council also maintains a hotline to hear and handle complaints.

But the road closing remains an unresolved issue. Back-to-back traffic has lined the roads surrounding the quarry since 1998 when the portion of the road closed. That year a mined gravel pit is alleged to be the cause of the foundation damage found along Joliet Road, state engineers said.
 

”A shift occurred along one of the fault lines in the rock ridge under Joliet Road, resulting in large cracks in the pavement,” said Josh Kauffman, manger and spokesperson at the Illinois Department of Transportation.“Joliet Road was then closed due to safety and structural integrity concerns.”

 

Robbins reiterated that “there were many factors identified over the years by the experts, there was never one conclusive factor for the road condition.”

As a result, the Illinois Department of Transportation department sued Vulcan seeking punitive damages in 2001. State officials took the action to procure funds to be used for the possible repair and the reopening of the road. The lawsuit lingered on for nearly 10 years.

The company and the state came to an agreement on May 17, 2010. Under the settlement, Vulcan paid $40 million to that state of Illinois. Half of that was to be paid within the first 10 days.

“Our goal all along was to resolve the matter,” said Robbins.“The settlement is an opportunity that can be invested in the community.”

When the state received the funds, there was speculation that the money would be used to bandage the damages on the road but found the repairs too expensive.
 

After various proposals and discussions there are currently no plans to reopen Joliet Road between East Avenue and 55th Street, even though traffic problems persist. But other potential solutions are in the works.

Since the closure, traffic has increased on many of the roadways, according to Kauffman. The transportation department has been working on improvement to the intersections at Joliet and La Grange Roads and Joliet Road and 55th Street.
40 Million Not Enough

Maywood, IL

#46 Oct 20, 2013
The improvement projects have moved into the contract plan preparation and land acquisition phase, meaning there is still a lot of work to be done. The improvements were presented in a public meeting last June 27.
 

In the meeting the state discussed the lengthening or adding turn lanes at the major congested intersections. Only a portion of the settlement will go towards these projects.

“The $40 million will be used for highway improvements within the area and prioritized in future multi-year highway improvement programs” in the area of the quarry, Kauffman said.

But new highway construction can take up to 10 years more to complete, according to state documents.
Bob will learn a lesson

Blue Island, IL

#48 Oct 21, 2013
Louthen has other legal troubles besides the possible injunction. First Midwest Bank has filed a lawsuit against another of his companies, Riverside-based Town Builders Studies, claiming he owes the bank $350,000 after defaulting on a loan, according to court records.

In a statement issued last week, Louthen said the lawsuits were the result of developing “distressed communities like Robbins” that require significant investment without seeing any meaningful return.
We Agree

Blue Island, IL

#50 Oct 21, 2013
Bob Rita will learn another lesson. Bob does not represent the People, he represents special interests!
Ride the Bus

Maywood, IL

#51 Oct 21, 2013
At Sunday’s event, village residents were asked to sign up to travel on buses to Springfield to lobby the Legislature against the quick-take process. Buses will leave at 8 a.m. Tuesday from Greater Christian Unity Church at 3030 Claire Blvd. For more information, residents can call DeLean Fuller, chairwoman of the Robbins Citizens Advocacy Committee.
Bus Driver

Oak Lawn, IL

#52 Oct 21, 2013
Ride the Bus wrote:
At Sunday’s event, village residents were asked to sign up to travel on buses to Springfield to lobby the Legislature against the quick-take process. Buses will leave at 8 a.m. Tuesday from Greater Christian Unity Church at 3030 Claire Blvd. For more information, residents can call DeLean Fuller, chairwoman of the Robbins Citizens Advocacy Committee.
Just make sure you ride in the back.
Grand Wizard

Blue Island, IL

#53 Oct 21, 2013
Bus Driver wrote:
<quoted text>Just make sure you ride in the back.
Really?
Bus Driver

Oak Lawn, IL

#54 Oct 21, 2013
Grand Wizard wrote:
<quoted text>Really?
YES! If you want a ride on my bus.
dont

Belvidere, IL

#55 Oct 21, 2013
Once these underground shafts are built, will they try stuffing toxic dangerous waste in them and claim they are safe and sealed with concrete??? I think they would. This has happened before. Something smells here.
Distressed Developer

Maywood, IL

#56 Oct 21, 2013
40 Million Not Enough wrote:
Vulcan has operated in west suburban Cook County for over a century. The limestone quarry mines crushed stone in the production of construction materials that built Chicago and its burgeoning metropolitan area. The 650-acre McCook Quarry is located along Joliet Road and 55th Street near East Avenue in McCook. Vulcan has invested time, money and service into the area since its inception and sponsors many community events.
But there are several towns within close proximity of the mining at the quarries, a major industry in the area.
 
Limestone quarries don’t produce silica dust – dust from crystalized quartz that can cause breathing problems, said Steve Marshak, a geology professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.
However communities within close proximity to quarries could find blasting or noise to be a problem, Marshak said.
“The dust was absolutely horrendous,” said Cindy Lawn, a former resident of La Grange for eight years who lived near another quarry in the area.“I would vacuum every day – sometimes twice a day. When we got new carpet, there was half an inch of dust underneath the old carpet.”
Lawn said the dust came from another quarry in the area near her home and the trucks carrying the stone.

“I have never lived anywhere else like that,” Lawn said.
Over the years, Vulcan has created a nationally award-winning Lyons Township Quarry Advisory Council to help mitigate any concerns that the communities may have regarding Vulcan and the council includes the other quarry operators in the area. The council provides an opportunity for open conversations relating to operational issues about the quarries, while also staging community events. The council also maintains a hotline to hear and handle complaints.
But the road closing remains an unresolved issue. Back-to-back traffic has lined the roads surrounding the quarry since 1998 when the portion of the road closed. That year a mined gravel pit is alleged to be the cause of the foundation damage found along Joliet Road, state engineers said.
 
”A shift occurred along one of the fault lines in the rock ridge under Joliet Road, resulting in large cracks in the pavement,” said Josh Kauffman, manger and spokesperson at the Illinois Department of Transportation.“Joliet Road was then closed due to safety and structural integrity concerns.”
 
Robbins reiterated that “there were many factors identified over the years by the experts, there was never one conclusive factor for the road condition.”
As a result, the Illinois Department of Transportation department sued Vulcan seeking punitive damages in 2001. State officials took the action to procure funds to be used for the possible repair and the reopening of the road. The lawsuit lingered on for nearly 10 years.
The company and the state came to an agreement on May 17, 2010. Under the settlement, Vulcan paid $40 million to that state of Illinois. Half of that was to be paid within the first 10 days.
“Our goal all along was to resolve the matter,” said Robbins.“The settlement is an opportunity that can be invested in the community.”
When the state received the funds, there was speculation that the money would be used to bandage the damages on the road but found the repairs too expensive.
 
After various proposals and discussions there are currently no plans to reopen Joliet Road between East Avenue and 55th Street, even though traffic problems persist. But other potential solutions are in the works.
Since the closure, traffic has increased on many of the roadways, according to Kauffman. The transportation department has been working on improvement to the intersections at Joliet and La Grange Roads and Joliet Road and 55th Street.
In a statement issued last week, Louthen said the lawsuits were the result of developing “distressed communities like Robbins” that require significant investment without seeing any meaningful return.

"He can not support his project in Robbins!
Distressed Developer

Maywood, IL

#57 Oct 21, 2013
40 Million Not Enough wrote:
Vulcan has operated in west suburban Cook County for over a century. The limestone quarry mines crushed stone in the production of construction materials that built Chicago and its burgeoning metropolitan area. The 650-acre McCook Quarry is located along Joliet Road and 55th Street near East Avenue in McCook. Vulcan has invested time, money and service into the area since its inception and sponsors many community events.
But there are several towns within close proximity of the mining at the quarries, a major industry in the area.
Limestone quarries don’t produce silica dust – dust from crystalized quartz that can cause breathing problems, said Steve Marshak, a geology professor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign.
However communities within close proximity to quarries could find blasting or noise to be a problem, Marshak said.
“The dust was absolutely horrendous,” said Cindy Lawn, a former resident of La Grange for eight years who lived near another quarry in the area.“I would vacuum every day – sometimes twice a day. When we got new carpet, there was half an inch of dust underneath the old carpet.”
Lawn said the dust came from another quarry in the area near her home and the trucks carrying the stone.

“I have never lived anywhere else like that,” Lawn said.
Over the years, Vulcan has created a nationally award-winning Lyons Township Quarry Advisory Council to help mitigate any concerns that the communities may have regarding Vulcan and the council includes the other quarry operators in the area. The council provides an opportunity for open conversations relating to operational issues about the quarries, while also staging community events. The council also maintains a hotline to hear and handle complaints.
But the road closing remains an unresolved issue. Back-to-back traffic has lined the roads surrounding the quarry since 1998 when the portion of the road closed. That year a mined gravel pit is alleged to be the cause of the foundation damage found along Joliet Road, state engineers said.
 
”A shift occurred along one of the fault lines in the rock ridge under Joliet Road, resulting in large cracks in the pavement,” said Josh Kauffman, manger and spokesperson at the Illinois Department of Transportation.“Joliet Road was then closed due to safety and structural integrity concerns.”
 
Robbins reiterated that “there were many factors identified over the years by the experts, there was never one conclusive factor for the road condition.”
As a result, the Illinois Department of Transportation department sued Vulcan seeking punitive damages in 2001. State officials took the action to procure funds to be used for the possible repair and the reopening of the road. The lawsuit lingered on for nearly 10 years.
The company and the state came to an agreement on May 17, 2010. Under the settlement, Vulcan paid $40 million to that state of Illinois. Half of that was to be paid within the first 10 days.
“Our goal all along was to resolve the matter,” said Robbins.“The settlement is an opportunity that can be invested in the community.”
When the state received the funds, there was speculation that the money would be used to bandage the damages on the road but found the repairs too expensive.
 
After various proposals and discussions there are currently no plans to reopen Joliet Road between East Avenue and 55th Street, even though traffic problems persist. But other potential solutions are in the works.
Since the closure, traffic has increased on many of the roadways, according to Kauffman. The transportation department has been working on improvement to the intersections at Joliet and La Grange Roads and Joliet Road and 55th Street.
In a statement issued last week, Louthen said the lawsuits were the result of developing “distressed communities like Robbins” that require significant investment without seeing any meaningful return.
"He can not support his project in Robbins!
Distressed Developer

Maywood, IL

#58 Oct 21, 2013
In a statement issued last week, Louthen said the lawsuits were the result of developing “distressed communities like Robbins” that require significant investment without seeing any meaningful return.

The Robbins agreement stipulates that there are no pending lawsuits against the developer that threaten the project.

"The developer can not financially support his project and apparently was (choose one or more) forgetful, misleading, or not truthful".
Rock Solid

Morris, IL

#59 Oct 22, 2013
Robbins shall forever be a hell hole. Most of the residents bitching don't even pay their bills.
Fault Lines

Maywood, IL

#60 Oct 23, 2013
Over the years, Vulcan has created a nationally award-winning Lyons Township Quarry Advisory Council to help mitigate any concerns that the communities may have regarding Vulcan and the council includes the other quarry operators in the area. The council provides an opportunity for open conversations relating to operational issues about the quarries, while also staging community events. The council also maintains a hotline to hear and handle complaints.

But the road closing remains an unresolved issue. Back-to-back traffic has lined the roads surrounding the quarry since 1998 when the portion of the road closed. That year a mined gravel pit is alleged to be the cause of the foundation damage found along Joliet Road, state engineers said.
 
”A shift occurred along one of the fault lines in the rock ridge under Joliet Road, resulting in large cracks in the pavement,” said Josh Kauffman, manger and spokesperson at the Illinois Department of Transportation.“Joliet Road was then closed due to safety and structural integrity concerns.”

Robbins reiterated that “there were many factors identified over the years by the experts, there was never one conclusive factor for the road condition.”

As a result, the Illinois Department of Transportation department sued Vulcan seeking punitive damages in 2001. State officials took the action to procure funds to be used for the possible repair and the reopening of the road. The lawsuit lingered on for nearly 10 years.

The company and the state came to an agreement on May 17, 2010. Under the settlement, Vulcan paid $40 million to that state of Illinois. Half of that was to be paid within the first 10 days.

“Our goal all along was to resolve the matter,” said Robbins.“The settlement is an opportunity that can be invested in the community.”

When the state received the funds, there was speculation that the money would be used to bandage the damages on the road but found the repairs too expensive.
 
After various proposals and discussions there are currently no plans to reopen Joliet Road between East Avenue and 55th Street, even though traffic problems persist. But other potential solutions are in the works.

Since the closure, traffic has increased on many of the roadways, according to Kauffman. The transportation department has been working on improvement to the intersections at Joliet and La Grange Roads and Joliet Road and 55th Street.
False Statements

Maywood, IL

#61 Oct 23, 2013
He Happened to Forget wrote:
The lawsuits were filed about nine months after ALM Resources was founded and about three months before the company signed the development agreement with Robbins, records from the Illinois secretary of state’s office show. The Robbins agreement stipulates that there are no pending lawsuits against the developer that threaten the project.
Or Something FAR WORSE AND SINISTER?
What is the penalty for making false statement(s) with the Illinois secretary of state's office?
Cook County resident

Morris, IL

#62 Oct 23, 2013
I'm tired of subsidizing Robbins with money as a neighboring community.
Do this quarry & maybe you can stand alone

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