Police Depts of Dolton, So Holland, and Riverdale have become less transparent!

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Brother Dre

Dolton, IL

#1 Mar 3, 2013
The Police Departments of Dolton, South Holland, and Riverdale, known as (e-com), have chosen to totally block the public from listening in on their police broadcasts using radio Scanners.
My feeling on this is that if the public is going to be blocked out in one way, then you should create other means for them to stay informed about what is going on in their respective villages. ie: an official Dolton police Blotter posted daily in the local newspaper. As of right now, 3-3-13, such a blotter does not exist here in Dolton.(see link below)

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/stor...

Since: Oct 07

Dolton, IL

#2 Mar 11, 2013
Dolton needs an official Police Blotter so its citizens can be made aware of what is going on in their community.
I was an avid listenier to the E-Com police scanner feed until it was abruptly silenced and encrypted by the Dolton, So Holland, and Riverdale Police departments! An official police blotter is needed to make sure the citizens of dolton can stay informed of all the crime that is going on around them!
Am I the only one in this forum who seeks to stay informed?!?!

and YES this is a BUMP!!!!!
John in the John

Chicago, IL

#3 Mar 12, 2013
Sad day for us listeners, I too want to be aware of what happening so I can protect my family. Too much hidden things going on. Police aren;t like they use to be honest, trustworthy, too much corruption within a department. I miss the airwaves but it does not help when the violent perpetrators can also lisen to the calls. I found this to be the case.
HUH

Chicago, IL

#4 Oct 24, 2013
I am surprised that they even allow any police frequencies to be heard publicly. In the military we have something called operational security. There is nothing safe about people being able to listen to the police as they communicate during incidents. It might be nice to listen to it but you'd hate if it was one of your relatives getting ambushed by someone who knew what they were doing and where they were going because their radio traffic is online.
Jimmy

United States

#5 Oct 25, 2013
HUH wrote:
I am surprised that they even allow any police frequencies to be heard publicly. In the military we have something called operational security. There is nothing safe about people being able to listen to the police as they communicate during incidents. It might be nice to listen to it but you'd hate if it was one of your relatives getting ambushed by someone who knew what they were doing and where they were going because their radio traffic is online.
The government or FCC made them all "reband" which means move to a higher frequencie. The radios they use are digitized and cannot be picked up by scanners. It has nothing to do with the village.
question

Chicago, IL

#6 Nov 4, 2013
Jimmy wrote:
<quoted text> The government or FCC made them all "reband" which means move to a higher frequencie. The radios they use are digitized and cannot be picked up by scanners. It has nothing to do with the village.
Why are other departments not using digitized radios?
Mhz

Oak Forest, IL

#7 Nov 4, 2013
Mainly COST of systems, interoperability with other departments,(keeping all city services on one band for in-town interop), digital encoder issues with background noise, building penetration issues etc.

There is a ton to consider with digital systems that throws multiple complexities into the fray. These systems IMO are good for big departments etc, not so much for small towns and cities under 100k people. Narrowband FM with voted recievers/repeaters work great for most towns around our area.

It is my firm belief that dispatch channels should never be restricted from public access. Tac channels are another story, and I understand the need to encrypt those. The use of scanners by the criminal element is exaggerated, and the use of streaming feeds to evade is damn near useless due to delays or being on a feed with several other channels at the same time.

Just about every department has MDT's in the cars with the ability to dispatch information without publicly broadcasting it, there is also a direct chat function with most CAD systems for the officers and dispatch. Add this to the fact that departments ask officers to give them a call if there is sensitive information to give out. There are ways to keep sensitive info off the air today, no need to spend millions of dollars in today's economy on systems who's primary goal is to black out the public.

Consider this coupled with the militarization of police, DHS, and other agencies following 9/11. There are countless fiscal mistakes being made simply written off under the auspices of "HOMELAND SECURITY". Add this to the fact with the actions of the NSA and IRS. The point here I am making is your access to information is being restricted, while agencies are seeking to gain large amounts of information on their citizens in an unrestricted fashion.

I accept the need for FBI, DEA, ATF, SWAT, Detectives, TAC, etc to shut out the public, but not your everyday traffic.

We are getting very close to the day of waking up and finding out we are a nation with "SECRET POLICE"
Knows More Than You Do

College Station, TX

#8 Nov 22, 2013
My research tells me the following:

1) The FCC rebanding project is the reason for the change to the frequency.

2) Dolton would still be usinga 30 year old broken-down analog systems if it weren't for Cook County's radio system. THAT is who encrypted the system and the reason you can't hear them. The idea of OPSEC isn't exaggerated in Dolton, where multiple people shot doesn't even make the news. Scanner use regarding such dispatches might be "exaggerated" in Naperville but in Dolton, any advantage those officers can get, they need to take.

2a) There are 70 plus agencies on the Cook County radio network. All are encrypted and silent by design.

3) Until this year and since 2000, Dolton (not part of E-Com) did not have MDT's in their cars nor do they use a CAD system. They still punch cards and write everything by hand.

4) What Dolton residents ought to be FURIOUS about is losing more than $11,000 per month in revenue to the State Police for answering wireless 911 calls for the past 10 years. Further, even when the calls are answered, they can't be tracked.

4) What Dolton residents ought to be FURIOUS about is the fact that they are being charged 911 surcharges but haven't had an upgrade to the 911 system in 20 years and there are NO replacement parts, no plans to replace the current system exist. One piece dies, and the system dies with it

5) What Dolton residents ought to be FURIOUS about is the fact that an Ambulance company in Dolton has been paying Dolton's freight for years with respect to 911 and that ambulance company and its' staff and owner are the only reason that Dolton's 911 system, despite the trustees complete and utter ignorance on the matter, continues to run.


Justin

Elmhurst, IL

#9 May 21, 2014
South Holland is a courrupt police department never read me my rights and no probabal cause to pull me over nor to search my vehicle and almost broke My shoulder in hand cuffs as I repeated your hurting me and put false charge on me
5oh

United States

#10 May 22, 2014
Justin, you don't have to be read your rights if your not interrogated. They don't need "probable cause" to stop you or search you, just "reasonable belief". Learn the legal terms.
Brother Dre

United States

#11 Friday Dec 12
A Dolton Police Blotter is very much needed.
.The Lady down the street from me had her home broken into for the 4th time in three years a few weeks ago.
Come on Mayor Rogers, here is your chance to show some transparency and keep dolton residents informed at the same time.

Dolton residents, Look at the link below, then ask yourselves ......whats missing?

http://southtownstar.chicagotribune.com/news/...
Brother Dre

United States

#12 Friday Dec 12
Jimmy wrote:
<quoted text> The government or FCC made them all "reband" which means move to a higher frequencie. The radios they use are digitized and cannot be picked up by scanners. It has nothing to do with the village.
FCC did not make them "reband" the signal! It was a choice made by the villages! Many police Depts are still operating just as transparent as they ever were!

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