Dolton mayor sets stage to cancel senior housing contract

May 24, 2013 Full story: Chicago Tribune 10

The new mayor in south suburban Dolton planned to question the daughter of the former mayor about her management of a village-owned senior housing building at a special meeting this morning.

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Dolton Eagle Eye

Calumet City, IL

#1 May 24, 2013
Good start Mayor. Clean it up out here and don't steal the village. Next, the police. They are dirty and need to be investigated. Too much crime going on and no cops around Aren't they supposed to make rounds? They need to drie up and down the alleys. These young folks are breaking into homes, throwing bricks through the windows, stealing cars, and assaulting people but the police are looking the other way. Clean it up.
BTW

Chicago, IL

#2 May 25, 2013
Dolton Eagle Eye wrote:
Good start Mayor. Clean it up out here and don't steal the village. Next, the police. They are dirty and need to be investigated. Too much crime going on and no cops around Aren't they supposed to make rounds? They need to drie up and down the alleys. These young folks are breaking into homes, throwing bricks through the windows, stealing cars, and assaulting people but the police are looking the other way. Clean it up.
I have called multiple times, even for quality of life issues and they send someone out. I don't know why you think they don't make rounds. Maybe you don't realize the village is short officers. Why do you think the mayor asked Sheriff Dart for sheriff's police to patrol also? You dont sound credible when you make comments saying the cops look the other way to allow crime. One thing we do not have is a punk police department.
TRHS1995

Lansing, IL

#3 May 27, 2013
BTW wrote:
<quoted text>
I have called multiple times, even for quality of life issues and they send someone out. I don't know why you think they don't make rounds. Maybe you don't realize the village is short officers. Why do you think the mayor asked Sheriff Dart for sheriff's police to patrol also? You dont sound credible when you make comments saying the cops look the other way to allow crime. One thing we do not have is a punk police department.
Maybe if the Mayor's before then over pay there police friends salary, then we can more police officer. Just in case everybody didn't know Chicago police salary starts at 35k and Dolton starts at 65k, isn't something wrong with those numbers. So when someone is getting paid thhat much money i expect better police reaction when you contact them. Dolton might not be punks but they sure are a joke that criminals are laughing at
Dolton Eagle Eye

Calumet City, IL

#4 May 27, 2013
This comment is for BTW -- are you perhaps the police or one of their mothers? If you are getting excellent service then God Bless You. Many more people who live in Dolton see it differently. If the police were truly making rounds, would we have as much crime as we do? Some people are afraid to speak up at the meetings because they ask for your address. Since the police are in cahoots, do you really think someone wants to give up their address? Dolton is still a good community and can be saved.(hopefully before its too late)
BTW

Chicago, IL

#5 May 27, 2013
Dolton Eagle Eye wrote:
This comment is for BTW -- are you perhaps the police or one of their mothers? If you are getting excellent service then God Bless You. Many more people who live in Dolton see it differently. If the police were truly making rounds, would we have as much crime as we do? Some people are afraid to speak up at the meetings because they ask for your address. Since the police are in cahoots, do you really think someone wants to give up their address? Dolton is still a good community and can be saved.(hopefully before its too late)
First of all, I appreciate your respectful questions and how you communicate while remaining decent. A lot of people on here have no concept of doing so.

To answer your questions: I have experience in local government and police related work but no I do not work for or in Dolton. There are a ton of law enforcement personnel that live here. I am no one's mother.

Yes, I do believe the police are making rounds and no crime is not deterred like people think because they see police on the street. For proof, I offer Chicago where they are putting rookies on walking beats in groups of 2-4 and they are paying a million dollars a week in overtime for offduty officers to work. This means that they have their regular officers in cars, plus rookies on foot, plus guys in extra cars that are working on their off day for overtime. I say this because you have not noticed a decrease in murders or heavy crimes in Chicago. Common sense, though it often escapes people, says if you see a police car move to another area where there is no police car. It's really simple to avoid cops that are on patrol. I ran from the police when I was a kid. It's not that deep. Police work is primarily responsive meaning they come because you call. There is a part that involves taking initiative but your primary job is to respond to resident 911 calls no matter how ridiculous they are.

Now I do understand your concern with giving your address at the board meeting. You can give an intersection which I have done before and hey if you want to don't give your full name if you aren't comfortable. DuBois' name was not W.E.B., those were his initials...
BTW

Chicago, IL

#6 May 27, 2013
TRHS1995 wrote:
<quoted text>Maybe if the Mayor's before then over pay there police friends salary, then we can more police officer. Just in case everybody didn't know Chicago police salary starts at 35k and Dolton starts at 65k, isn't something wrong with those numbers. So when someone is getting paid thhat much money i expect better police reaction when you contact them. Dolton might not be punks but they sure are a joke that criminals are laughing at
Your information is very, very inaccurate. The last time Dolton put out an ad looking for police applicants (fall 2012), starting pay was $51,000 and maxed out at $61,000 which is extremely low. Here is the proof: http://www.theblueline.com/feature/ILdolton.h...
Just to tell you how low that is, a lot of departments start out at 61 where Dolton maxes out.

As far as Chicago: Starting salary for Chicago police officers in 2012 was $43,104, increased to $61,530 after one year and an additional increase to $65,016 after 18 months ( http://directives.chicagopolice.org/forms/CPD... )
So with a year and a half on the job, CPD officers make more base pay than a Dolton officer that has maxed out his salary.

Lastly, Dolton's police force is understaffed. You can't get around that. If you don't have a lot of officers on the street response time will be lower and the amount of time they devote to a single incident will be less. That's just basic math. All the communities that demand great police service and have competitive processes pay more. All the shootings that happen out here, the robberies, the fights...your police department is understaffed and have low pay and you think that they are just chillin' and rollin' in dough. I'd say the same thing about Harvey and Riverdale too. They deal with a lot to get the peanuts they get.
TRHS1995

Munster, IN

#7 May 27, 2013
BTW wrote:
<quoted text>
Your information is very, very inaccurate. The last time Dolton put out an ad looking for police applicants (fall 2012), starting pay was $51,000 and maxed out at $61,000 which is extremely low. Here is the proof: http://www.theblueline.com/feature/ILdolton.h...
Just to tell you how low that is, a lot of departments start out at 61 where Dolton maxes out.
As far as Chicago: Starting salary for Chicago police officers in 2012 was $43,104, increased to $61,530 after one year and an additional increase to $65,016 after 18 months ( http://directives.chicagopolice.org/forms/CPD... )
So with a year and a half on the job, CPD officers make more base pay than a Dolton officer that has maxed out his salary.
Lastly, Dolton's police force is understaffed. You can't get around that. If you don't have a lot of officers on the street response time will be lower and the amount of time they devote to a single incident will be less. That's just basic math. All the communities that demand great police service and have competitive processes pay more. All the shootings that happen out here, the robberies, the fights...your police department is understaffed and have low pay and you think that they are just chillin' and rollin' in dough. I'd say the same thing about Harvey and Riverdale too. They deal with a lot to get the peanuts they get.
i'm happy you can pull up link of the help wanted but trust me last year dolton hired 4 rookies at starting salaries 61k, this year the same 4 rookies all got a rise of 10k. I seen everybody in Dolton salaries so i know how much everybody gets paid
BTW

Chicago, IL

#8 May 29, 2013
TRHS1995 wrote:
<quoted text>i'm happy you can pull up link of the help wanted but trust me last year dolton hired 4 rookies at starting salaries 61k, this year the same 4 rookies all got a rise of 10k. I seen everybody in Dolton salaries so i know how much everybody gets paid
One of those links was an official department document, not just some help wanted ad as you call it. I'm not saying they didn't hire someone and pay them whatever they wanted. That definitely is not odd, unusual, or hard to believe in this village. My response was to your comment that the starting pay for officers was 61k and Chicago's was 30 something to which my response was that aint true...and I proved that. By the way, were the officers they hired laterals or entry level? The two levels do not pay the same salary, in case you didn't know. I'm not saying you don't either but it's fyi if you don't.
Faith

Crown Point, IN

#9 May 30, 2013
Thank god the street sweeper has arrivied
Dolton Eagle Eye

Baltimore, MD

#10 Jun 12, 2013
BTW -- good posting with you, too. I think we are on the same wave length even with TRHS because we are concerned about the community; however, everyone cannot be wrong when it comes to the Dolton police doing their jobs. When a neighbor called police because she heard shooting, one cop eventually showed up. When another neighbor called police because someone was trying to break into her house, 3 cops showed up. When another person called police because a man was beaten in the alley, it took 20 minutes for police to show up. Now I realize that if they are understaffed and crimes are being committed, the police cannot respond to all calls in a timely manner. But, there is still the question about the police being dirty and this does not help. It is what it is. I really believe most of the cops are decent in talking with them. But, it makes you wonder why the new mayor got rid of the chief of police and 4 cops if there were not some problems. Also, I don't think we can compare Chicago crime with small village crime, that's like apples and a big watermelon. The salaries are set -- if you want a different job then apply somewhere else but don't neglect your job because you don't like how much work is involved. These jobs are occupational hazards. We expect good service no matter the pay cap.

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