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Buckle Up, Oak Forest! Police to Step Up Seat Belt Enforcement through July 4

There are 26 comments on the Patch.com story from Jun 20, 2014, titled Buckle Up, Oak Forest! Police to Step Up Seat Belt Enforcement through July 4. In it, Patch.com reports that:

The Oak Forest Police Department today announced plans for its Fourth of July traffic enforcement, focusing on unbuckled drivers.

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Nazi police

Chicago, IL

#1 Jun 20, 2014
BS the whole buckle up, were going to save lives campaign. We all know this is about control and revenue if if you dissagree you need to wake up you sheep.

Why dont they give tickets to school buses or public transportation, and why dont they wear them. They will always make up bs excuses.
Lawman

Cancún, Mexico

#2 Jun 20, 2014
It's the law. Plus seat belts will save your life along with your family. Oh another thing, they will be enforcing the hands free law too. That means you better not be on your cell phone while driving. The police will make money off those that ignore the laws. So make their day, don't buckle up and use that phone. Our communities can use the revenue.
NAZI POLICE

Chicago, IL

#3 Jun 20, 2014
Lawman wrote:
It's the law. Plus seat belts will save your life along with your family. Oh another thing, they will be enforcing the hands free law too. That means you better not be on your cell phone while driving. The police will make money off those that ignore the laws. So make their day, don't buckle up and use that phone. Our communities can use the revenue.
I Know its the law but there are many laws that should have never been written in the first place. Also I would like know when the community ever recieved the money we are still waiting?

Hands free law, as the law uses their phones, radios and laptops while driving, killing innocent people by car accident.

"Those who would give up freedom in the name of security, deserve neither" Thomas Jefferson.
Lawman

Cancún, Mexico

#4 Jun 20, 2014
Nazi idiot..... Your complaining about the seat belt law and it being enforced. I guess when someone hit you while driving and you fly out of the vehicle ..... That's ok. Or the kid that's not buckle in their seat and goes flying through the windshield and dies... That's ok in your book. These simple laws have been put in place because the number of deaths that have occurred over the years. If you follow the laws you don't get bothered. During TJ's period it's obvious they didn't worry about seat belts and cell phones. If ya don't like here feel free to move somewhere else.
If you see and officer that is using their cell phone while driving , feel free to report them. I done it with many "above the law " type officers that think they can do 30 mph over the posted limits on a non emergency call.

Since: May 14

Matteson, IL

#5 Jun 21, 2014
I get the seat belt theory. Buckling up does save lives and prevents serious injury, but let's analyze this. Why does every person in a vehicle have to wear a seatbelt, but people on motorcycles don't have to wear helmets? People can say what they want, but it's the insurance company lobbyists that got the politicians to make such a strict law. Less injury, less they pay out, period!! However, a lot of politicians ride motorcycles so they don't want to wear helmets and that is why there isn't a law for helmets. It's like the driving in the left lane on a highway and holding up traffic by driving the speed limit. Did you know you can be ticketed for driving the speed limit in the left lane and holding up traffic? Politicians wanted that law so they can speed down to Springfield. It's all hypocritical!!!!!!!!
NaziPolice

Chicago, IL

#6 Jun 21, 2014
Wannabe Lawman you have shown your true colors, insulting people like many NAZIPOLICE do so nowadays, Report them to whom to the commander in charge so it goes in one ear and out the other? Why don't you bootlickers move and take the NAZIPOLICE scum with you, you are eroding our freedoms you believe its the states job to protect every facet of your life, are you as an adult too stupid to think for yourself?

I have news for you it should be my choice.

What about when the seatbelt works against you in a crash, like it locks and then you cant get out of a car or it chokes you, there have been many people that have been killed with seat belts, where they've gotten into accidents, the cars were on fire, they've been knocked out, they haven't been able to get out of the vehicle, My point is, even if the majority of people are saved, why do we keep forcing people to do things that they feel it's their own individual right to make a decision.
NAZI POLICE

Chicago, IL

#7 Jun 21, 2014
SEATBELTS KILL - THE TRUE STORY OF THE SEATBELT SCAM
Over the past 46 years the federal government has spent billions of dollars to persuade, and force, the American people to wear seatbelts in automobiles. It has done this without any research, without any basis in fact, without any evidence that wearing a seatbelt improves a person’s chance of survival in an automobile accident. Indeed, research has shown that the opposite is true.
The first seatbelt law was passed in the United States in 1963. This merely required that new cars made after l964 be equipped with seat belts. There was no requirement that people actually use them. When it was first suggested to Henry Ford II that he put seatbelts in new Ford cars, his response was,“That’s the craziest thing I ever heard”. During the hearings held both before and after the passage of these laws, experts from the automobile industry repeatedly warned the members of congress that putting seatbelts in cars was not a good idea. The congress chose to ignore these warnings.
In l966, congress established the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). In it’s entire 45 year long history, NHTSA has never had a director who knew anything about highway safety. Successive congresses and administrations, both democratic and republican, have used NHTSA to carry out whatever schemes and conclusions they decided upon, and NHTSA’s job has been to promote whatever congress and the administration ordered them to promote, regardless of whatever merit, or lack of merit, it might have had. One of NHTSA’s chief functions, over the years, has been to funnel billions of dollars of federal money to states under various pretexts.
The closest NHTSA ever came to a revolt against congress was during the administration of Raymond K. Peck in the period l980-1982. This is one of the more bizarre stories of history. When Ronald Reagan became president, he asked the leaders of the automobile industry what he could do to help them. They replied,“Get congress to repeal the air bag and seatbelt requirements”. President Reagan then appointed one Raymond K. Peck to be head of NHTSA. Now it so happened that at that time there was a distinguished expert on highway safety by the name of Raymond C. Peck. However, the man Mr. Reagan appointed was not Raymond C. Peck, but Raymond K. Peck, a lawyer for the coal industry. Be that as it may, Mr. Peck went to work to try to persuade congress to repeal the seatbelt and air bag requirement. Unfortunately, he was not successful. Moreover, his efforts led to a lot resentment, bitterness and hard feelings. After two years, Mr. Peck resigned. Some say he was forced out, some say he quit in disgust. Whatever the reason, it was the last time any administration made an effort to get the seatbelt and air bag laws repealed.
After seatbelts were first installed in automobiles, but before laws were passed requiring people to actually use them, a survey done by the automobile industry showed that only 11% of vehicle occupants were actually using these devices. The congress responded, not by recognizing that people did not want these devices and repealing the seatbelt laws, but by passing legislation offering states millions of dollars to pass laws requiring people to use these devices, and ordering NHTSA to use all its powers to lobby states to pass these laws and to engage in propaganda campaigns to persuade the public that seatbelts were a good idea. To help it to carry out these instructions, congress gave NHTSA hundreds of millions of dollars.
NAZI POLICE

Chicago, IL

#8 Jun 21, 2014
cont.
In 1984, New York became the first state to pass a law requiring automobile occupants to wear seatbelts. Thereafter, other states, responding to intense pressure from NHTSA, offers of millions of dollars in federal grants if they complied, and threats of losing millions of dollars in federal grants if they refused, caved in one by one until, by the end of l996, all states except New Hampshire had some sort of mandatory seatbelt laws.
Because surveys showed that between 70% and 80% of the public were opposed to laws forcing people to wear seatbelts, most states passed so-called “secondary” seatbelt laws. These laws stated that police could not stop a motorist merely for not wearing a seatbelt but that if the motorist were stopped for some other offense, he could be fined for not wearing a seatbelt. Because some members of congress insisted that motorists be forced to wear seatbelts, NHTSA adopted a policy which they call “gradualism”. This means that they would settle for whatever a state legislature was willing to give them and then come back every year and ask for more. Thus, they have been successful, over the years, in getting more than half the states to change their seatbelt laws from secondary to primary, meaning that the police can stop a motorist merely for not wearing a seatbelt in those states.
In order to carry out the wishes of congress, NHTSA has built up a huge, nationwide lobbying organization. This consists not merely of the employees of NHTSA, but of numerous organizations controlled, and even created, by NHTSA to lobby states to pass ever more draconian seatbelt laws and to spread seatbelt propaganda. Among these are MADD (formerly known as Mothers Against Drunk Driving),“Buckle-Up America”, the so-called “Seatbelt and Air Bag Campaign of the National Safety Council”, and many others. In addition, NHTSA has effectively taken control of nearly all of the automobile safety organizations in this country by the simple expedient of subsidizing their budgets. In a particularly clever ploy, in accordance with the wishes of congress, NHTSA has seen to it that most of the seatbelt grant money goes to police departments, highway departments, and public health departments, thus giving these departments a vested interest in promoting seatbelt use and seatbelt laws.
In 23 USC 153 we read:
NAZI POLICE

Chicago, IL

#9 Jun 21, 2014
(a) Authority To Make Grants.- The Secretary may make grants to
a State in a fiscal year in accordance with this section if the
State has in effect in such fiscal year -
(1) a law which makes unlawful throughout the State the
operation of a motorcycle if any individual on the motorcycle is
not wearing a motorcycle helmet; and
(2) a law which makes unlawful throughout the State the
operation of a passenger vehicle whenever an individual in a
front seat of the vehicle (other than a child who is secured in a
child restraint system) does not have a safety belt properly
fastened about the individual's body.
(b) Use of Grants.- A grant made to a State under this section
shall be used to adopt and implement a traffic safety program to
carry out the following purposes:
(1) Education.- To educate the public about motorcycle and
passenger vehicle safety and motorcycle helmet, safety belt, and
child restraint system use and to involve public health education
agencies and other related agencies in these efforts.
(2) Training.- To train law enforcement officers in the
enforcement of State laws described in subsection (a).
(3) Monitoring.- To monitor the rate of compliance with State
laws described in subsection (a).
(4) Enforcement.- To enforce State laws described in
subsection (a).
Notice that these politicians, who didn’t have the vaguest idea what they were talking about, and were under all kinds of misapprehensions, had the arrogance to speak of “educating the public”, offering huge bribes of taxpayer money to states to impose their mistaken ideas on the public by propaganda and coercion.
Under 23 USC 406, which has now been repealed, NHTSA got $124.5 million dollars a year to give to states which achieve an 85% seatbelt use rate or pass a primary seatbelt law. Police departments, in particular, stood to lose millions of dollars if their state failed to achieve these goals. In addition, states can qualify for hundreds of millions of additional federal dollars under 23 USC 402 and 405 by, among other things, promoting seatbelt use (over $200 million a year under section 402 and $25 million a year under section 405).
In order to justify the expenditure of these funds, congress has enshrined into federal law the most absurd falsehoods. Thus, in 23 USC 402 we read,“Each state shall have a highway safety program…designed to reduce traffic accidents and deaths, injuries and property damage resulting therefrom. Such programs shall include programs to…encourage the use of occupant protection devices (including the use of safety belts and child restraint systems) by occupants of motor vehicles and to increase public awareness of the benefit of motor vehicles equipped with air bags”. Congress was repeatedly warned by experts from the automobile industry, over a period of twenty years,(from 1962 to 1982), that seatbelts and air bags were dangerous, impractical devices which would do more harm than good. After air bags were installed in automobiles, in accordance with the mandate of congress, so many people were killed by them that, in 2005, congress deleted the words “to increase public awareness of the benefits of motor vehicles equipped with air bags” from 23 USC 402. In addition, in what is now starting to resemble a play by Harold Pinter, NHTSA revised FMVSS 208 (Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 208) to require that a notice be posted on all cars equipped with airbags, warning occupants of the dangers of these devices, which are there because congress ordered them to be put there in the first place!
NAZI POLICE

Chicago, IL

#10 Jun 21, 2014
cont.,
In 23 USC 405 we read,“..the Secretary (of Transportation) shall make grants…to states that adopt and implement effective programs to reduce highway deaths and injuries resulting from individuals riding unrestrained or improperly restrained in motor vehicles”. As experts from the automobile industry warned, and as research has shown, restraints (seatbelts) increase, not decrease, the chance of an individual being killed or severely injured in an automobile accident. The implicit assumption contained in the statement, that highway deaths and injuries result from people not wearing seatbelts, is totally and demonstrably false. Yet that is the law of the land.

In 23 USC 157 we read:“…(6) Savings to the federal government. The term “savings to the federal government” means the amount of Federal budget savings relating to federal medical costs (including savings under the medicare and medicaid programs under titles XIII and XIX of the Social Security Act (42 US 1395 et seq.), as determined by the secretary”. This pseudolegalistic nonsense was supposed to convince you that that forcing seatbelts on the public was going to save the Social Security System money! Apparently congress thought better of it, because they took this paragraph out in subsequent versions of the law.

The case for seatbelts in automobiles was based on five false assumptions, something congress could easily have discovered before passing this legislation if they had bothered to ask the experts or, indeed, if they had merely listened to the experts, for the experts did try to tell them. They not only did not ask, they turned a deaf ear when they were told. As a result, thousands have died.

The five false assumptions were these:

1. Most people who are killed in automobile accidents are killed in head-on collisions. In fact, according to the government’s own data, fewer than two percent of all collisions are head-on collisions and fewer than 14% of all fatal collisions are head-on collisions.

2. People are killed in head-on collisions by being thrown through the windshield. In fact, according to the latest available government data, of the 36,281 vehicle occupants who were killed in 2001 (the last year for which the government listed head-on collisions as a separate category) only 145 were “thrown through the windshield”.

3. Vehicle occupants would be saved if they were prevented from being thrown through the windshield by wearing a seatbelt. In fact, if the force on the occupant is sufficiently great to throw him through the windshield, the injury inflicted on the wearer by the seatbelt itself would be enough to kill him.

4. The passenger compartment is never stove in in fatal collisions. In fact, the overwhelming majority of motorists who are killed in fatal collisions are killed by being crushed to death when the passenger compartment is stove in. The seatbelt acts like an anvil, holding the occupant in place as he is being crushed to death.

5. The seatbelt itself will not injure the wearer. In fact, in a head-on collision as low as 30 miles per hour with one foot of crush, the seatbelt will exert a force on the wearer of 30 times his body weight, i.e., enough to kill him. The fact that the seatbelt itself might injure the wearer never occurred to them. The seatbelt proponents had never heard of Newton's second law of motion!

The key question, what is the effect of seatbelts on people in other types of accidents, was not considered.

After motorists were first required to use seatbelts, reports began to come in from emergency rooms that people were being killed by seatbelts. Instead of heeding these reports and repealing the seatbelt laws, congress put forward the theory that it was merely a mistake in seatbelt design, and ordered the addition of shoulder belts to seatbelts. This resulted in an increase in seatbelt fatalities, as motorists were now being killed by their shoulder belts as well as by their lap belts.
NAZI POLICE

Chicago, IL

#11 Jun 21, 2014
cont.
When it became clear that seatbelts were not effective in preventing fatalities in head-on collisions, NHTSA, in line with its continuing mandate to promote seatbelts, put forward the theory that they would prevent people from being killed in roll-overs. Quite apart from the fact that most people couldn’t roll their cars over if they tried, it turned out that most people who were killed in roll-overs were killed by being crushed when the roof caved in. The best chance of survival in such a case is to duck down, jump clear or be thrown clear, all of which are prevented by a seatbelt. The effect of seatbelts in roll-overs was thus to increase, not decrease, the number of fatalities.

NHTSA then put forward the theory that seatbelts would save people from being killed by preventing them from being ejected. For a person to be ejected from a vehicle in an accident requires an unusual collision or roll-over of extreme violence, in which case the vehicle is usually so badly crushed that anyone trapped in the vehicle by a seatbelt would be almost sure to be killed. We know from actual accident reports that a person has a better chance of surviving such an accident if he is ejected than if he is trapped in the vehicle. There is nothing new or mysterious about this. Anyone who has seen an old western movie has probably seen the scene where two locomotives are about to collide. The engineer and the fireman do not fasten their seatbelts in such a case; they jump clear to save their lives. Yet locomotives are far more resistant to crush than automobiles.

In line with the mandate of congress, NHTSA continues to lobby states to pass primary seatbelt laws. One of the ways they do this is to stage what we call “The Show” for state legislative committees considering seatbelt bills. How many of the cast show up at a particular hearing tends to vary from state to state and year to year. The cast usually consists of the head of the state police department, the head of the state department of transportation, the head of the public health department (or their subordinates), the local representative of MADD (a wholly owned subsidiary of NHTSA) a lady variously described as a “mother” or “home maker”, someone claiming to be the relative of an accident victim, and possibly one or two other people, variously described as a “child advocate” or “safety advocate”, all reading from a script supplied to them by NHTSA. The testimony is a clever mixture of false, misleading, emotional and irrelevant statements. Someone usually tells a tearful story about how a relative got killed in an automobile accident and therefore the legislature should force people to wear seatbelts. The hope is that this non-sequitur will not be questioned. You are supposed to jump to the conclusion that the relative would have been saved if he had been wearing a seatbelt, even though there is not a single verified case of a person's life ever being saved by a seatbelt in an automobile accident.
One reason

Blue Island, IL

#12 Jun 21, 2014
One of the main reasons for a seat belt is the driver can maintain a position of control in a vehicle. What that means is they stay in place an they might be able to apply the brakes or steer a damaged vehicle. A helmet does not do that. So a driver wearing a seatbelt may help others avoid an accident. You are right I don't the reason a passenger has too except maybe striking the driver an making them unable to control the vehicle. I am a firefighter an I can honestly say it saves a lot of pain if you wear it correctly on the pubis bone area an not the soft stomach area. We call people on motorcycles donors because if you are hit on a bike I don't know how much a helmet will help except maybe keep the brain in its serving container, but I agree govt is to much in our lives but it is not a right to be able to drive.

Since: May 14

United States

#13 Jun 21, 2014
One reason wrote:
One of the main reasons for a seat belt is the driver can maintain a position of control in a vehicle. What that means is they stay in place an they might be able to apply the brakes or steer a damaged vehicle. A helmet does not do that. So a driver wearing a seatbelt may help others avoid an accident. You are right I don't the reason a passenger has too except maybe striking the driver an making them unable to control the vehicle. I am a firefighter an I can honestly say it saves a lot of pain if you wear it correctly on the pubis bone area an not the soft stomach area. We call people on motorcycles donors because if you are hit on a bike I don't know how much a helmet will help except maybe keep the brain in its serving container, but I agree govt is to much in our lives but it is not a right to be able to drive.
There are many brain/head injuries sustained with riders crashing and not wearing a helmet. I would think a lot of these injuries would be less severe or preventable by requiring helmets.
Saved

South Holland, IL

#14 Jun 21, 2014
I have been in an accident without wearing a seatbelt and have never ridden in a moving vehicle again without using one. It takes one trip through a windshield for a hardheaded Irishman to learn the lesson the hard way.
Lawman

Tinley Park, IL

#15 Jun 22, 2014
Well NP you can cut and paste . Bravo! And it's also obvious you did not do well in HS physics by not understanding Newtons Law or the law of inertia . What ready pissed me off about this entire post is your name " Nazi Police". That is degrading to WWII vets and the entire bloodlines that were ended during that period. Look up Nuremberg law and educate yourself above the Nazi police. I suggest looking up other country laws and get a cultural education. From all the countries I have traveled to most I have met would love to live in the US. You really should change your name to "Bubble Boy".
NAZI POLICE

Chicago, IL

#16 Jun 22, 2014
Lawman wrote:
Well NP you can cut and paste . Bravo! And it's also obvious you did not do well in HS physics by not understanding Newtons Law or the law of inertia . What ready pissed me off about this entire post is your name " Nazi Police". That is degrading to WWII vets and the entire bloodlines that were ended during that period. Look up Nuremberg law and educate yourself above the Nazi police. I suggest looking up other country laws and get a cultural education. From all the countries I have traveled to most I have met would love to live in the US. You really should change your name to "Bubble Boy".
LAWMAN, I suggest you look up US law, more specifically the constitution. We have rights that that I prefer not give up but if you feel that the police do not overstep their legal boundaries then ok, you can live like a sheep and teach your kids to do the same.

I bet you support the TSA sticking their hands in toddlers pants too.

Im sorry but I believe WWII vets believe in liberty more than tyranny and don't appreciate what is happening in society, in fact I would believe that they are more offended by the Department of Homeland stazi Security calling returning veterans the biggest terrorist threat.

Since: May 14

Matteson, IL

#17 Jun 22, 2014
NAZI POLICE wrote:
<quoted text>LAWMAN, I suggest you look up US law, more specifically the constitution. We have rights that that I prefer not give up but if you feel that the police do not overstep their legal boundaries then ok, you can live like a sheep and teach your kids to do the same.

I bet you support the TSA sticking their hands in toddlers pants too.

Im sorry but I believe WWII vets believe in liberty more than tyranny and don't appreciate what is happening in society, in fact I would believe that they are more offended by the Department of Homeland stazi Security calling returning veterans the biggest terrorist threat.
You sound like a complete idiot!!!! I think 183rd and Harlem is calling for you.
NAZI POLICE

Chicago, IL

#18 Jun 22, 2014
Welfare Country wrote:
<quoted text>
You sound like a complete idiot!!!! I think 183rd and Harlem is calling for you.
I'll be on 159th and Lockwood with signs warning drivers of the gestapo checkpoint ahead, see you there buddy!

Since: May 14

Matteson, IL

#19 Jun 22, 2014
NAZI POLICE wrote:
<quoted text>I'll be on 159th and Lockwood with signs warning drivers of the gestapo checkpoint ahead, see you there buddy!
To show how much of an idiot your are, there are signs posted when they are doing the enforcement!!!! I believe my law they have to be posted. Again, 183rd and Harlem lost one of its village idiots, please go home!!

Since: May 14

Matteson, IL

#20 Jun 22, 2014
NAZI POLICE wrote:
<quoted text>I'll be on 159th and Lockwood with signs warning drivers of the gestapo checkpoint ahead, see you there buddy!
And Gestapo police??? It's a law and if you don't want to abide by the law, then don't drive. Simple as that!! I wish I could pick and choose which laws to follow in life.

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