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#64
Feb 27, 2014
 
People tend to forget... Carlos was an adult and made his own choices on his own free will. Nothing was forced on him. Blaming others isn't the answer here. It won't change anything. You need to face FACTS. It was an accident, nothing more. Stop trying to play the conspiracy theorist.
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So basically, you are stating that if the pool had never been open that night, then Carlos would still not be here. Stupid logic. It was closed for a reason..safety. Those who allowed it to be open are responsible.
If no one is held responsible, this city is going the same route Harvey, Illinois has gone. Make Fred Biloto accountable. Stop this David Koschman style COVER UP.
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Feb 27, 2014
 
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If no one is held responsible, this city is going the same route Harvey, Illinois has gone. Make Fred Biloto accountable. Stop this David Koschman style COVER UP.
How can you compare this to Koschman?? He punched someone in the face and killed the guy. I do not see how u can put them in the same category.

What is being covered up exactly? U keep making accusations but have NO EVIDENCE to back anything up. Just more CONSPIRACY THEORIES!
Trisha this is important

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WBEZ Radio Ė Back in Blue Island
February 26th, 2014
WBEZ and Mayor
Trish Bobeda with WBEZ interviewing Mayor Domingo Vargas

On Presidentís Day, February 17th, Trisha Bobeda with WBEZ, was back in Blue Island at the Historical Societyís Albee House, to follow on Blue Island winning their CURIOS CITY contest regarding why Blue Island chose not to be annexed into Chicago. Trisha interviewed Mayor Domingo Vargas; Historical Society President, Mike Kalikski; Lifelong Blue Island residents William and Richard Bauer and Jason Berry with the City of Blue Island. WBEZ, 91.5, has been playing the interview and has posted it on their website at www.wbez.org ! Thanks to everyone who participated and thanks to WBEZ for promoting Blue Island and our wonderful history!

The interview will air on WBEZ, 91/5, on Thursday, February 27the at 436pm and 6:06pm. Join us at the Rock Island Public House (corner of Broadway and Olde Western Avenue) for Listening Party on Thursday at 6:00pm!

Trisha Bobeda, you need to ask Attorney Mayor Vargas what is he doing regarding the Carlos Salgado, Robbie Silva, unsolved deaths. What about Police Brutality lawsuits that continue under his administration? Trisha this is what is really important! Trisha you will be curious to see how long it takes before this comment is censored and removed.
Maybe it was a conspiracy

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How can you compare this to Koschman?? He punched someone in the face and killed the guy. I do not see how u can put them in the same category.
What is being covered up exactly? U keep making accusations but have NO EVIDENCE to back anything up. Just more CONSPIRACY THEORIES!
Explain to us why Bob Rita paid $60,000.00 in Calumet Township money (tax payers money, not his} to Pay former Cook County States Attorney Dick Devine for an investigation? Was this a cover up in and of itself?
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#69
Feb 27, 2014
 
Do you really think a former states attorney, Dick Devine would risk his reputation for Fred Bilotto? I highly doubt that.

And if the township sat by and did nothing, you would still be complaining. Again, more conspiracy theories.
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Feb 27, 2014
 
think about it wrote:
Do you really think a former states attorney, Dick Devine would risk his reputation for Fred Bilotto? I highly doubt that.
And if the township sat by and did nothing, you would still be complaining. Again, more conspiracy theories.
Devine risked everything for Daley and tutored Alverez and retired.
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think about it wrote:
Do you really think a former states attorney, Dick Devine would risk his reputation for Fred Bilotto? I highly doubt that.
And if the township sat by and did nothing, you would still be complaining. Again, more conspiracy theories.
He did not do it for F@#K-UP FREDDY. He did it for Rita and the Democratic Machine.
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Devine risked everything for Daley and tutored Alverez and retired.
Devine risked everything for Daley, tutored Alverez his replacement, before retiring from the States Attorneys Office, at taxpayers expense, and going into business for himself.
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#73
Feb 27, 2014
 
That's your conspiracy theory
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#74
Feb 27, 2014
 
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That's your conspiracy theory
It appears to be Webb's well documented opinion.
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#75
Feb 27, 2014
 
Again, opinion isn't fact. And this has nothing to do with Carlos Salgado.
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Feb 27, 2014
 
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Again, opinion isn't fact. And this has nothing to do with Carlos Salgado.
Same Dem Chain of Command....with the added perk of a $60,000.00 paycheck for Devine in addition to his taxpayer funded pension.
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Feds canít look away from underlying Koschman story
February 27, 2014 6:04PM

Sometimes itís a video that surfaces in a criminal case, clearly contradicting how a police officer under oath described a scene.

Sometimes itís a document that is uncovered late in the game, showing how a law officerís story has changed 180 degrees.

Sometimes itís a new DNA test that shows how an official version of events, accepted for years, couldnít possibly be true.

Too often, in too many courtrooms, people entrusted with assuring justice instead shade the facts to strengthen cases against people they believe to be guilty. Or maybe theyíre just covering up for each other. Either way, innocent people caught up in such machinations never know what hit them.

The David Koschman investigation is a case in point, a sad truth that we hope the FBI and Justice Department, having been made privy to key information by special prosecutor Dan Webb, now will vigorously investigate. Doing so would have a chilling effect on such underhanded police tactics.

The cops in the Koschman case apparently cooked up a self-defense theory to protect Richard J. Vanecko, former Mayor Richard M. Daleyís nephew. Police reports in the case said Koschmanís friends described him as aggressive, yelling and lunging in a 2004 encounter with Vanecko outside a Near North Side bar, an encounter that left Koschman dead 11 days later. But the friends told the Chicago Sun-Times, Webb and a grand jury that they never said that. How did that get into the police reports?

Moreover, after a second investigation in 2011, a police report stated that Koschman yelled,ď F--- you! Iíll kick your ass.Ē Where did that come from? Not one witness claimed to have heard that.

Last year, Cook County Judge Michael P. Toomin called Vaneckoís self-defense theory a fiction made up by police and prosecutors. By pleading guilty last month, Vanecko pretty much confirmed that. If even he admits his actions werenít in self-defense, where exactly did authorities come up with that notion?

We can only conclude Toomin got it right: They made it up.

People who work every day in the criminal justice system will tell you that what happened in the Koschman case is not the rarity weíd like to believe.

Too often, in a quest to make a case against a presumably guilty person stand up in court, police and prosecutors fudge the record.

Are they sick of seeing guilty people walk free because of gray areas in cases? Undoubtedly. But erasing ambiguities is a dangerous game.

The whole history of the former Chicago Police Cmdr. Jon Burge saga, in which police tortured suspects into confessing and then lied about the torture, shows how innocent people got swept up along with the guilty, with no recourse.

Another example was the 2007 case of Anthony Abbate, a police officer who beat a female bartender. Police conveniently forget to write in their report his name, that he was a police officer and that there was video of the attack. Does anyone believe that was an oversight? A jury later found Abbate felt he could act with impunity because other police officers would protect him.

Let us take a moment to emphasize that the criminal justice system is filled with honest, hardworking people who do their level best every day to ensure justice. They are the only reason the system works.

But we canít look away when the system goes off the rails ó and the feds canít look away now.

Some lawyers will tell you police perjury occurs in every courtroom every day. Surely, thatís an overstatement. But wherever and whenever it occurs, it defeats the quest for justice.

The real painful story of the David Koschman scandal, sadly, may be that this stuff happens all the time.

After reading the above article, We feel unanswered questions, need to be answered. We feel there are persons who must be held accountable, in the Deaths of Carlos Salgado, Robbie Silva, Mr. Manrique.
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Call the FBI wrote:
Feds canít look away from underlying Koschman story
February 27, 2014 6:04PM
Sometimes itís a video that surfaces in a criminal case, clearly contradicting how a police officer under oath described a scene.
Sometimes itís a document that is uncovered late in the game, showing how a law officerís story has changed 180 degrees.
Sometimes itís a new DNA test that shows how an official version of events, accepted for years, couldnít possibly be true.
Too often, in too many courtrooms, people entrusted with assuring justice instead shade the facts to strengthen cases against people they believe to be guilty. Or maybe theyíre just covering up for each other. Either way, innocent people caught up in such machinations never know what hit them.
The David Koschman investigation is a case in point, a sad truth that we hope the FBI and Justice Department, having been made privy to key information by special prosecutor Dan Webb, now will vigorously investigate. Doing so would have a chilling effect on such underhanded police tactics.
The cops in the Koschman case apparently cooked up a self-defense theory to protect Richard J. Vanecko, former Mayor Richard M. Daleyís nephew. Police reports in the case said Koschmanís friends described him as aggressive, yelling and lunging in a 2004 encounter with Vanecko outside a Near North Side bar, an encounter that left Koschman dead 11 days later. But the friends told the Chicago Sun-Times, Webb and a grand jury that they never said that. How did that get into the police reports?
Moreover, after a second investigation in 2011, a police report stated that Koschman yelled,ď F--- you! Iíll kick your ass.Ē Where did that come from? Not one witness claimed to have heard that.
Last year, Cook County Judge Michael P. Toomin called Vaneckoís self-defense theory a fiction made up by police and prosecutors. By pleading guilty last month, Vanecko pretty much confirmed that. If even he admits his actions werenít in self-defense, where exactly did authorities come up with that notion?
We can only conclude Toomin got it right: They made it up.
People who work every day in the criminal justice system will tell you that what happened in the Koschman case is not the rarity weíd like to believe.
Too often, in a quest to make a case against a presumably guilty person stand up in court, police and prosecutors fudge the record.
Are they sick of seeing guilty people walk free because of gray areas in cases? Undoubtedly. But erasing ambiguities is a dangerous game.
The whole history of the former Chicago Police Cmdr. Jon Burge saga, in which police tortured suspects into confessing and then lied about the torture, shows how innocent people got swept up along with the guilty, with no recourse.
Another example was the 2007 case of Anthony Abbate, a police officer who beat a female bartender. Police conveniently forget to write in their report his name, that he was a police officer and that there was video of the attack. Does anyone believe that was an oversight? A jury later found Abbate felt he could act with impunity because other police officers would protect him.
Let us take a moment to emphasize that the criminal justice system is filled with honest, hardworking people who do their level best every day to ensure justice. They are the only reason the system works.
But we canít look away when the system goes off the rails ó and the feds canít look away now.
Some lawyers will tell you police perjury occurs in every courtroom every day. Surely, thatís an overstatement. But wherever and whenever it occurs, it defeats the quest for justice.
The real painful story of the David Koschman scandal, sadly, may be that this stuff happens all the time.
After reading the above article, We feel unanswered questions, need to be answered. We feel there are persons who must be held accountable, in the Deaths of Carlos Salgado, Robbie Silva, Mr. Manrique.
Great article, call write the FBI,Justice Dept
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Nothing will happen as long as Rita is still in office. End of story. He controls the investigations as Mayor Daley did.
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Feb 28, 2014
 
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Nothing will happen as long as Rita is still in office. End of story. He controls the investigations as Mayor Daley did.

"The Ritas are Blue Islandís own version of Chicagoís Daleys."
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It seems to me there are persons here, who were involved that need to go to jail. And there are more persons here who need to go to jail for Obstruction of Justice.
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Feb 28, 2014
 
Magic Mirror on the wall who's the fairest of them all?
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Feb 28, 2014
 
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That's your conspiracy theory
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