So why do we still have 3 blocks of e...

So why do we still have 3 blocks of empty pavement?

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Doubting Thomas

Northbrook, IL

#1 Dec 26, 2013
Now after 6 or so years and working on our third mayor do we still have these big empty lots that only grow weeds not revenue.

As one drives around you see development and new buildings going up. But here our big thrill was a Dotty's and Hardees. Also we did get a Dollar tree also. This is good anything is. But I wonder now that the former mayors wizard (Jim Lang) is gone thankfully is someone moving this forward.

Hard to believe something cannot be developed there.

Also I see that building by Mr Submarine is going to be a John Amicos and we have the new rib joint. But our recovery will be helped a great deal by a nice development. So we will have to be hopeful I guess.

Since: Jun 13

Chicago, IL

#2 Dec 26, 2013
We just lost another buiness on Cicero, next door to the pet store. I can't even remember what was there but it's boarded up with a roll off in front.
Lost Time

Midlothian, IL

#3 Dec 26, 2013
Doubting Thomas wrote:
Now after 6 or so years and working on our third mayor do we still have these big empty lots that only grow weeds not revenue.
As one drives around you see development and new buildings going up. But here our big thrill was a Dotty's and Hardees. Also we did get a Dollar tree also. This is good anything is. But I wonder now that the former mayors wizard (Jim Lang) is gone thankfully is someone moving this forward.
Hard to believe something cannot be developed there.
Also I see that building by Mr Submarine is going to be a John Amicos and we have the new rib joint. But our recovery will be helped a great deal by a nice development. So we will have to be hopeful I guess.
The village has had to start from scratch since new administration took over. They have had to hire a new development firm and redo the tif district. Starting from scratch means an additional two years, minimum, to get to the point where they were before the election.
Small detail but curious

Northbrook, IL

#4 Dec 26, 2013
Why did they have to start from scratch?
Doubting Thomas

Northbrook, IL

#5 Dec 27, 2013
Lost Time wrote:
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The village has had to start from scratch since new administration took over. They have had to hire a new development firm and redo the tif district. Starting from scratch means an additional two years, minimum, to get to the point where they were before the election.
Unfortunately this may be true. The sad part is slowly it does seem a mediocre recovery is starting and we may miss out.
Lost Time

Midlothian, IL

#6 Dec 27, 2013
Doubting Thomas wrote:
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Unfortunately this may be true. The sad part is slowly it does seem a mediocre recovery is starting and we may miss out.
We have already missed out. A grocery store had committed to the location with the former developer. That all went with the old administration.

Since: Jun 13

Chicago, IL

#7 Dec 27, 2013
Lost Time wrote:
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We have already missed out. A grocery store had committed to the location with the former developer. That all went with the old administration.
So what you're saying is that when people got let go they took the business with them? How can that be possible? What grocery store? I like how everyone points fingers at the previous administration, that includes Terry. How many years does it take for one to get things going?
Lost Time

Midlothian, IL

#8 Dec 27, 2013
Know It All 1 wrote:
<quoted text> So what you're saying is that when people got let go they took the business with them? How can that be possible? What grocery store? I like how everyone points fingers at the previous administration, that includes Terry. How many years does it take for one to get things going?
It takes several years of hard work and numerous meetings. The very things James Lang was doing when he left, knowing that he was going to be fired. I'm not pointing fingers, quite the opposite, the previous administration had done some extensive background work and were just waiting to sign commitment documents from businesses.

Since: Jun 13

Midlothian, IL

#9 Dec 27, 2013
Lost Time wrote:
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It takes several years of hard work and numerous meetings. The very things James Lang was doing when he left, knowing that he was going to be fired. I'm not pointing fingers, quite the opposite, the previous administration had done some extensive background work and were just waiting to sign commitment documents from businesses.
So you're telling me a business decided that they would rather not come to Midlothian after Lang got fired? Sounds fishy to me.
Lost Time

Midlothian, IL

#10 Dec 27, 2013
Know It All 1 wrote:
<quoted text> So you're telling me a business decided that they would rather not come to Midlothian after Lang got fired? Sounds fishy to me.
The entire shopping center with out lots went bye bye when the developer working with Lang didn't want to start over.
Do tell

Blue Island, IL

#11 Dec 27, 2013
Why would the developer have to start over? The developer was not working with Lang individually, it was working with Lang as an agent of the village.

5yr Midlo Resident

Since: Apr 09

Orland Park, IL

#12 Dec 28, 2013
Lost Time are you serious? No really. I'm asking if you really believe what you're typing here because it's utter rubbish.

The grocery store you speak of was lost LONG before Lang or Stephens left. Stephens announced/talked about himself, but regardless, it was a known fact that Pete's was NOT coming long before Lang's departure OR Rybak's entrance.

I'm sure there's a few conversations about that on here too.
Lost Time

Midlothian, IL

#13 Dec 28, 2013
5yr Midlo Resident wrote:
Lost Time are you serious? No really. I'm asking if you really believe what you're typing here because it's utter rubbish.
The grocery store you speak of was lost LONG before Lang or Stephens left. Stephens announced/talked about himself, but regardless, it was a known fact that Pete's was NOT coming long before Lang's departure OR Rybak's entrance.
I'm sure there's a few conversations about that on here too.
It would be nice if you actually knew what you were talking about once in a while. I never said it was Pete's. Pete's was just stringing Midlothian along knowing that they were building in Orland Park. There was another grocery store from a major retailer that wanted to build, but that option left, for now, with Lang as no one was working with the developer. The village just recently hired another development firm to start the process all over. You don't have to believe a word I say, just check with any knowledgable trustee that was involved in the process.
Know More

Alsip, IL

#14 Dec 28, 2013
Yes, Mr. Lang was attending many, many meetings and seminars and conferences, all on the Village dime, including a Village paid for vehicle to get him back and forth from his home in Palatine, a salary of over $100,000 a year plus benefits, including 5 weeks vacation. He attended so many "meetings" that he was rarely at Village Hall to attend to his other job of overseeing Village Hall.
He promised the Village many times that the businesses were lining up and letter of intents were on their way. Unfortunately, after 2 years of "extensive background work" there was nothing.
After the new Mayor was elected, Mr. Lang realized his sweet gig was up, and decided to take employment with one of the connections he made during the "extensive background work" he was doing for the Village.
Common sense says that, if there were truly businesses lining up to move into a developement at 147th and Cicero because it was a good investment for them, then they would still be around whether Mr. Lang worked for the Village or not. Unless, of course, if some "deal" left with him.
In 2009, before Mr. Lang was hired by the Village, Pete's did make an offer to take over the corner parcel, with the intent of sometime in the future, 2013 or 2014, building a grocery store. The previous Mayor did not want to wait that long and moved on in attempts to attract other grocers to no avail.
wow

Chicago, IL

#15 Dec 28, 2013
This town has turned into a shit-hole, whats next another dollar store, vote out and fire everyone that has worked for this town and start over
Lost Time

Midlothian, IL

#16 Dec 28, 2013
Know More wrote:
Yes, Mr. Lang was attending many, many meetings and seminars and conferences, all on the Village dime, including a Village paid for vehicle to get him back and forth from his home in Palatine, a salary of over $100,000 a year plus benefits, including 5 weeks vacation. He attended so many "meetings" that he was rarely at Village Hall to attend to his other job of overseeing Village Hall.
He promised the Village many times that the businesses were lining up and letter of intents were on their way. Unfortunately, after 2 years of "extensive background work" there was nothing.
After the new Mayor was elected, Mr. Lang realized his sweet gig was up, and decided to take employment with one of the connections he made during the "extensive background work" he was doing for the Village.
Common sense says that, if there were truly businesses lining up to move into a developement at 147th and Cicero because it was a good investment for them, then they would still be around whether Mr. Lang worked for the Village or not. Unless, of course, if some "deal" left with him.
In 2009, before Mr. Lang was hired by the Village, Pete's did make an offer to take over the corner parcel, with the intent of sometime in the future, 2013 or 2014, building a grocery store. The previous Mayor did not want to wait that long and moved on in attempts to attract other grocers to no avail.
As a matter of fact, Mr. Lang paid his own way to attend conferences where he met with prospective merchants that may be interested in opening businesses in Midlothian.

You, sir, can slander all you want but facts are facts and you know surprisingly few. The properties in question are quite valuable and he was able to negotiate a remarkable price for all of the Chrysler property which the village know owns. The Chevrolet property is another matter all together. Again, don't take my word for it, GO ASK A TRUSTEE!

You may not agree with the salary he was paid but go check on salaries for other village managers. In his first year alone, Mr. Lang saved the village over $300,000 in insurance premiums, over $400,000 his second year. I would say that is a fairly good return for the investment.

Please try to obtain at least some facts before offering your uneducated opinion.
Know More

Alsip, IL

#17 Dec 28, 2013
Lost Time wrote:
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As a matter of fact, Mr. Lang paid his own way to attend conferences where he met with prospective merchants that may be interested in opening businesses in Midlothian.
You, sir, can slander all you want but facts are facts and you know surprisingly few. The properties in question are quite valuable and he was able to negotiate a remarkable price for all of the Chrysler property which the village know owns. The Chevrolet property is another matter all together. Again, don't take my word for it, GO ASK A TRUSTEE!
You may not agree with the salary he was paid but go check on salaries for other village managers. In his first year alone, Mr. Lang saved the village over $300,000 in insurance premiums, over $400,000 his second year. I would say that is a fairly good return for the investment.
Please try to obtain at least some facts before offering your uneducated opinion.
There was one conference in Vegas, the last one he attended while working for the Village, that after the Village Board put up a stink about paying for it, he got one of the developers that was attending the conference to pay his way. The Village still paid him for his time while he was there and paid for the vehicle to get him back and forth to the airport. It was not completely free for the Village. The Village paid for every other event, meeting, outing, dinner he attended in one way, shape or form. An interesting fact about that last conference is, if you go to their website, his name nor the Village of Midlothian is listed as being a participant in any of the functions, events, seminars, or breakout groups that occurred during that conference. Hmmmm.
Another disturbing fact is that not one of the "prospective" businesses he was supposedly meeting with decided to set up shop in Midlothian.
As every town around us was and is experiencing economic growth, some being significant, Midlothian sat dormant.
He convinced the Village Board to use Water Bond money, money that was supposed to be spent on water infrastructure repairs and a water tower, to buy the Chrysler property, because a developement was imminent and the money from the sale of the property to a developer or future revenue from that developement would be used to pay back the water bond fund. Now we have no developement and no water tower and no money left in the water bond fund.
The savings on the risk management insurance premiums was as simple as shopping around for another risk insurance company and have them reevaluate the Village's risks. Something that the Treasurer at the time could have and should have done but didn't. The Village didn't need to hire another six figure employee to do that.
The Village still had some outstanding cases with the previous risk management company which had to be paid off, so the Village was paying two risk management companies at the same time. The savings that you are purporting were not nearly as good.
You keep saying ask a Trustee. Either you are a Trustee that wasn't paying attention or the Trustee that you are talking to is lying to you.
Know More

Alsip, IL

#18 Dec 28, 2013
And as far as the salaries of other towns Village Managers, Mr. Lang was not the Village Manager for Midlothian. He was the Village Adminstrator. A big difference. By all means, look into how other towns around us handle economic developement and office management and see what they pay. On average, it's a third of what the Village paid Mr. Lang and with much better results.
really

Alsip, IL

#19 Dec 28, 2013
Lost Time wrote:
<quoted text>As a matter of fact, Mr. Lang paid his own way to attend conferences where he met with prospective merchants that may be interested in opening businesses in Midlothian.

You, sir, can slander all you want but facts are facts and you know surprisingly few. The properties in question are quite valuable and he was able to negotiate a remarkable price for all of the Chrysler property which the village know owns. The Chevrolet property is another matter all together. Again, don't take my word for it, GO ASK A TRUSTEE!

You may not agree with the salary he was paid but go check on salaries for other village managers. In his first year alone, Mr. Lang saved the village over $300,000 in insurance premiums, over $400,000 his second year. I would say that is a fairly good return for the investment.

Please try to obtain at least some facts before offering your uneducated opinion.
Wouldn't our insurance savings have been a little better if we weren't paying premiums for people who died a long time ago? I'm just wondering cause it would seem to me that deceased people don't need health coverage. Good catch Rybak!! I'd vote for you again!
which one

United States

#20 Dec 28, 2013
Lost Time wrote:
<quoted text>It would be nice if you actually knew what you were talking about once in a while. I never said it was Pete's. Pete's was just stringing Midlothian along knowing that they were building in Orland Park. There was another grocery store from a major retailer that wanted to build, but that option left, for now, with Lang as no one was working with the developer. The village just recently hired another development firm to start the process all over. You don't have to believe a word I say, just check with any knowledgable trustee that was involved in the process.
By knowledgeable trustee, which ones do you mean. I'll call them. Just let me know who knows best.

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