Midlothian trees still on the curbs!

Midlothian trees still on the curbs!

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Kostner

Midlothian, IL

#1 Jul 10, 2014
I know that Posen had all the branches and trees cleared within two days after the storm. Thinking there Public Works dept. cares more than ours does. I'm guessing they will wait until the designated loose branch pick up day. Not complaining just wanted to see what everyone else thinks. Maybe start a pool and see who wins hahaha!
NLO

Midlothian, IL

#2 Jul 10, 2014
I was planning on calling Public Works today to find out what's going on. I didn't expect much to get done last week, they had their hands full with the clean up of the blocks and blocks of trees that were down, they cleaned that up nicely. But by now they should have had everything else picked up. I've also been waiting for them to fix my lawn that they had to dig up in the winter because of a broken water main. I'm tired of looking at the gravel where grass should be.
Kostner

Midlothian, IL

#3 Jul 10, 2014
NLO wrote:
I was planning on calling Public Works today to find out what's going on. I didn't expect much to get done last week, they had their hands full with the clean up of the blocks and blocks of trees that were down, they cleaned that up nicely. But by now they should have had everything else picked up. I've also been waiting for them to fix my lawn that they had to dig up in the winter because of a broken water main. I'm tired of looking at the gravel where grass should be.
they did get the streets cleared but yes they should be out with the chipper clearing the rest of the stuff on the curbs. Sorry to hear about your lawn but I had the same issue. they threw some cheap seed down that never took so I just went and bought some sod and did it myself.
tornado alley

Palos Hills, IL

#4 Jul 10, 2014
Y'all need to get over yourselves. Last week was a storm like Midlothian hasn't seen in decades. The branches will get picked up. Chill the F out.
NLO

Midlothian, IL

#5 Jul 10, 2014
Love the token a-hole who just feels the need to make an irrelevant comment on a thread. Sorry that we'd like to have a question answered. A little bit of cleaning up isn't too much to ask for. It would be nice to take a walk with your child and not have to go into the street because there's piles of tree limbs blocking the sidewalk. Fully aware it was a bad storm, Most of us didn't have electric for days and even had damage to our properties. But things are back to normal now, let's get to cleaning the mess up. Unlike some homeowners in this town, My house is kept up nicely and I'd like to keep it looking that way.
Chet

Alsip, IL

#6 Jul 10, 2014
tornado alley wrote:
Y'all need to get over yourselves. Last week was a storm like Midlothian hasn't seen in decades. The branches will get picked up. Chill the F out.
This is the attitude of the new regime "shut up and pay our fines and our increase in the taxes we passed and you'll gonna love our red light cameras". Go Sharon.

You never saw this mismanagement when I was mayor of CW.
Chet

Alsip, IL

#7 Jul 10, 2014
While running errands had a chance to go by public works and saw at least 4 big trucks sitting idle. I did a tour around the area to include the mayors neighborhood and not any sign of village emplyees anywhere. The people of Midlothian hired a real winner with this mayor.
NLO

Midlothian, IL

#8 Jul 10, 2014
Called public works and was told that they're out cleaning up but because they have to do the whole neighborhood it may be a while...just keep them at the curb. That's sorta funny, I haven't seen a truck yet, the town is not that big. There's houses all throughout Midlothian that still have stuff at the curb. They must be doing one house a day.
Chet

Alsip, IL

#9 Jul 10, 2014
I didn't realize she fired that many people. Now watch them send that little black car out to give tickets for having yard waste out in violation of the village code. Diabolical fundraising scheme, I guess maybe she is a financial genius.

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#10 Jul 11, 2014
tornado alley wrote:
Y'all need to get over yourselves. Last week was a storm like Midlothian hasn't seen in decades. The branches will get picked up. Chill the F out.
And so another demand for contributors to "shut up" is posted on Topix...right on schedule. Can't possibly allow a thread to remain absent of such keyword potential...right? Especially when such comments are frequently posted with the hopes of chilling a conversation into oblivion or irrelevance, let alone the other money-making schematics embedded into the Topix site when these types of posts go live.

Our comparing notes on this forum as to what we believe may or may not be going on in the Village is not outrageous or over the top, including the additional observation of what a poor job the Village has done of the years when it comes to repairing the public property they rip up.

Disagree with comments when you must, but perhaps you are the one who is over reacting and over reaching. I also know I certainly will not take the advice of a lone poster telling me to "Chill the F out" in any thread, let alone conversations centering around the after effects of the storm such as this one.

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#11 Jul 11, 2014
Chet wrote:
Now watch them send that little black car out to give tickets for having yard waste out in violation of the village code.
Oh my!

I totally forgot about the inconsistent application of the village code by village officials! I was trying to laugh at what you said, but it just isn't funny since I know quite a few private homeowners who have been hammered by the Village about the condition of their property while other sets of village code pertaining to businesses, health code, etc. have been entirely ignored.

Perhaps we should FOIA request the tally of tickets written for yard waste in August or September to see if anyone was penalized for not cleaning up waste left over from the storm as well as a breakdown of hours spent cleaning up, amount of waste picked up, etc. by Public Works. I still don't understand why the Village has not tapped into an insurance policy to help pay the expense of cleaning up.

Now this is something to stay vigilant about!

P.S. Not sure why you would want to lay claim to being the past leader of Crestwood...especially since the water scam happened on the watch of both father and son.
Chet

Alsip, IL

#12 Jul 11, 2014
I can't remember any of that, I have a doctor's note to prove it. I think I may have drank some bad water....I just can't remember some things....where am I ???
Caddy

Midlothian, IL

#13 Jul 11, 2014
NLO wrote:
Called public works and was told that they're out cleaning up but because they have to do the whole neighborhood it may be a while...just keep them at the curb. That's sorta funny, I haven't seen a truck yet, the town is not that big. There's houses all throughout Midlothian that still have stuff at the curb. They must be doing one house a day.
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I have to agree with you. I drove all over Midlo today and didn't see a village truck anywhere. Someone needs to answer to this considering our tax dollars pay them!

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#14 Jul 11, 2014
Chet wrote:
I can't remember any of that, I have a doctor's note to prove it. I think I may have drank some bad water....I just can't remember some things....where am I ???
ROFL!

You are in an alternate quantum universe in which you only think you are interacting with other human beings and in actuality, you are communicating with a special algorithm designed to custom interact with you?
NLO

Midlothian, IL

#15 Jul 11, 2014
Inconsistent application of village codes...we always obtained permits for work being done to our home,$30-$50, not a big deal. In April we went to get a permit for the trim/soffit to be replaced, I was initially told that the permit was $50 and valid for 6 months. We get there and we were charged $100 and it's valid for 3 months. Nicole, the new person in charge, stated that $50 was for the permit and $50 was an inspection fee. She also said that this has always been the policy but it was never enforced. I don't understand why I'm paying for a permit to do the work then paying for them to inspect it. Isn't the point of the permit to let the village know we're doing the work and they confirm it's done correctly and to code? Sounds like a double dip. I wonder if everyone is now charged the new, old rates?
NLO

Midlothian, IL

#16 Jul 11, 2014
Oh, and still no branch pick ups today, no village truck sittings either.

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#17 Jul 11, 2014
NLO wrote:
Inconsistent application of village codes...the new person in charge, stated that $50 was for the permit and $50 was an inspection fee. She also said that this has always been the policy but it was never enforced. I wonder if everyone is now charged the new, old rates?
You are right on when it comes to inconsistent application of village codes and such fees are not "policy." They are law.

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4-3-3: DURATION OF PERMIT:

Construction shall start within thirty (30) days after issuance of any permit and be carried to completion within one year. If construction is not started within thirty (30) days after issuance of the permit, or if after construction is started such operations shall cease for a period of thirty (30) days, such permit shall automatically expire and the permit fee shall be forfeited to the village. However, if the owner can show good cause for failure to start or continue construction the building committee may reinstate such permit without further payments of permit fee.(Ord., 12-12-1962)
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This ordinance makes it quite clear that you have up to a year to finish any construction started after you acquire the permit. Also, there is no mention of any 3 month or 6 month limitation

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4-3-7: ISSUANCE OF BUILDING PERMIT:

When the application for permit and the required documents have been filed, the superintendent of buildings shall examine them as to compliance with the ordinances of the village. Upon compliance with all ordinances he shall report to the chairman of the building committee who will issue the permit.

The superintendent of buildings shall accept or reject applications for permit within fifteen (15) days after filing. In the event of refusing to issue a permit, the superintendent of buildings shall give the applicant the reasons for such refusal.(Ord., 12-12-1962)

4-3-8: PERMIT AND INSPECTION FEES:

All permit and inspection fees are to be paid at the time the permits are issued. The permit fee to be paid shall be the total of charges for building, plumbing, electrical, heating and other fees set forth in the ordinances of the village. The fee to be charged for the building permit for the erection or alteration of a building or structure in addition to the other fees set forth shall be set by the village board. The village board shall set the amount of the fee by resolution or ordinance in a fee schedule to be maintained by the village clerk and which shall be made available to the public upon request.(Ord. 1651, 10-10-2007)

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These two sections suggest the permit fee covers the cost of someone performing a general review of your plans and the inspection fee covers the cost of someone physically coming out to inspect the property once you are finished.

One of the weaknesses of 4-3-8 is the refusal to post such a fee schedule for anyone and everyone to review at a moments notice on their website. We live in a climate in which government officials continue to moan and groan about all of the "frivolous" requests for public domain information while pushing for more and more punishments to be available to them to prevent such "dangerous" assaults on government by domestic "enemies."

I have always believed if gov didn't work so hard to intentionally hide even the most basic information, they wouldn't be hit with so many requests. Hiding the permit and inspection fee schedule hurts not only the current homeowners, but those who might be interested in investing in property in Midlothian. The cost to discover this type of information is a harmful hurdle, especially when the Silent Customer premise is always in play. For every complaint we may share here, there must be 10 or 20 people who don't even bother complaining. They just move on.

Should you wish to read more of this section of the building code, here is the direct link to the page. http://www.sterlingcodifiers.com/codebook/get... |%20permit#s584875
nlo no

Orland Park, IL

#19 Jul 12, 2014
Actually the fee schedule says $55 for the permit and $50 for the inspection. If you're going to quote on here you should be accurate. The schedule is on the village website. I've just seen it.

"These two sections suggest the permit fee covers the cost of someone performing a general review of your plans and the inspection fee covers the cost of someone physically coming out to inspect the property once you are finished."

I agree with this interpretation although I think they raised the "permit" fee a little high. On a simple job like NLO describes $55 is a bit much.

And your part about a refusal to post a schedule is LAUGHABLE.

http://villageofmidlothian.net/index.aspx...

FEES Fee Schedule

In alphabetical order for your convenience.

Direct link if you prefer - http://villageofmidlothian.net/DocumentView.a...

“2nd Time Trying Topix Account”

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#20 Jul 12, 2014
nlo no wrote:
Actually the fee schedule says $55 for the permit and $50 for the inspection. If you're going to quote on here you should be accurate. The schedule is on the village website. I've just seen it.

And your part about a refusal to post a schedule is LAUGHABLE.
Glad I could make someone laugh in this forum...

Also, I do apologize for not being aware of the schedule being on the website. Unfortunately I do not get to update the database in my head as frequently as I would like and unless technology has advanced sufficiently to direct-download data into my brain (I'll take an order of the full Internet please and put it on my credit card?), I am confident there will be other posts in which my commentary is found to be out of date or even entirely inaccurate. I personally fear neither and thank you for the clarity about this particular matter.

Despite my error about the document not being on the site, the fundamentals of my commentary still ring true for thousands of municipalities across the nation. Being able to know what fees are attached to various activities in a community is a critical component to any strategy a municipality may deploy to attract and encourage economic development. Also, there is never any guarantee that any document we download from any site is the most current, let alone accurate.

While I believe in many ways fees are typically disproportionate (and not always healthy for local governments), I am curious how much time is put into examining the permit, whether or not this amount of time is a reasonable estimation and whether or not the fee reflects a reasonable hourly rate for such a task. Any ideas?

Lastly, thank you for the links to the schedule. It is appreciated.
Kostner

Midlothian, IL

#21 Jul 16, 2014
Well looks like posen is helping out Midlothian, at least the clean up is under way! Prob get all cleaned up and get hit with another storm hahaha! Thanks Posen for the help!

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