Tinley Park ponders ambulance contract

Tinley Park ponders ambulance contract

There are 40 comments on the Daily Southtown News story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Tinley Park ponders ambulance contract . In it, Daily Southtown News reports that:

A Tinley Park Village Board committee is considering whether to recommend renewing Trace Ambulance's contract or seek bids from other companies.

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Time for a change

New Lenox, IL

#1 Feb 10, 2010
As an ex-employee of Trace Ambulance the residents & village officials need to be aware that there is almost always NOT 4 ambulances in town. There were numerous times there was only 1 or 2 at best. If Trace cant follow what is required by the contract, it surely shouldnt be collecting $800,000 a year.
Heart Patient

Berkeley, IL

#2 May 24, 2011
I have used ambulance services several times in my life and have never been more upset with the unprofessional Trace ambulance co. It's husband & wife team came to service me and they were rude, bickering, slamming things around, unknoledgable & unprofessional. Because of this I would not let them administer to me which made the male very angry. The ride to the hospital was extremely fast, bumppy, & frightenning. I will never use this ambulance service again which could be a problem for me with my reoccuring condition. I have no intention to pay for this service & may contact legal help.
Mike

Tinley Park, IL

#3 May 24, 2011
Time for a change you are absolutely correct. Trace ambulances are routinely sent out of town leaving Tinley short. On one occasion a Trace ambulance was sent out of town to an Orland Park nursing home. The crew of that ambulance stated that they were the "last ambulance" left in Tinley. Folks, Trace is a business and they go where the money is. Also remember, the fire department does NOT provide e.m.s. service. They do not have paramedics or paramedic equipment.
Ems Geek

New Lenox, IL

#4 Aug 27, 2011
Tinley Parks EMS system is a joke. Same with the fire department. All it is is an under the deal table with the Vandenbergs and the Bettenhausen. EMS is very important and it disgusts me that our town's fire department doesn't provide EMS. Thanks Zabrocki you bum!
Duh

Chicago, IL

#5 Aug 28, 2011
EMS geek what Bettenhausen are you referring too? Mike-Just as in any other town if an ambulance is out of town and one is needed another town will come to your town it is called mutual aide. Sounds to me like a few people that have no idea what the actual facts are and would rather spread rumor....
Ems Geek

Chicago, IL

#6 Aug 29, 2011
Duh wrote:
EMS geek what Bettenhausen are you referring too? Mike-Just as in any other town if an ambulance is out of town and one is needed another town will come to your town it is called mutual aide. Sounds to me like a few people that have no idea what the actual facts are and would rather spread rumor....
Yeah and look how far mutual aid ambulances are. Mokena, Frankfort, Orland, Oak Forest? Let's use the scenario... Car accident at 171st and 80th.... No trace ambulances available cuz they're doing dialysis or MRI in Crestwood.... What now?

And that doesn't even take into account dispatching errors and retoning out the call for mutual aid. It dont matter about the facts, I'm on the job. I know what happens. You a volley ball for Tinley or something?
All good in the hooc

Plainfield, IL

#7 Aug 29, 2011
Heard So Hts police dispatch is goin to Steger. Wonder how that will work. I know elected officials from both towns. All seems to be for the good of both communities is the opinion.
Duh

Chicago, IL

#8 Aug 29, 2011
Ems Geek wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah and look how far mutual aid ambulances are. Mokena, Frankfort, Orland, Oak Forest? Let's use the scenario... Car accident at 171st and 80th.... No trace ambulances available cuz they're doing dialysis or MRI in Crestwood.... What now?
And that doesn't even take into account dispatching errors and retoning out the call for mutual aid. It dont matter about the facts, I'm on the job. I know what happens. You a volley ball for Tinley or something?
On the job? Sounds a little more like a disgruntled employee to me. Moving on, well at 171 and 80th ave The first ambulance there if all Tinley ambulances were out it would be Orland st. 2 at 151 and 80th. Mutual aide doesn't only work for one town. Same question goes for Orland if their ambulances were all out of town which is a complete possibility and there is an accident at 157 and 80th who will go there? Trace.. Again I ask what Bettenhausen you are referring to when you say there is some sort of an under the table deal?!
you re incorrect DUH

Orland Park, IL

#9 Aug 29, 2011
Orland ambulances have gone into Tinley...alot more often than usual, lately.

However, Orland DOES NOT call Trace for mutual aid ambulance...ever.

What should happen....thinking out of the box here Tinley should contract with Orland for ambo. And put those ambulances in the Tinley firehouses. Orland has a bunch of spare ambulances that could be used.
IAFF guy

Chicago, IL

#10 Aug 29, 2011
Ems Geek, why do you live in a town that has such sub-par fire & ems service? You say you are "on the Job" well then you should know better! When you go for your next contract with your village or district you can tell them how much you need to add guys per rig and/or more rigs on the road because it's so unsafe for you and your fellow "on the job" guys to perform your job the way you do it now. Then you can tell them it's best for the residents to add guys and how you perform so much better than Tinley Park volley balls you also need a raise. Oh yeah, just be ready to answer the question the village or trustees will ask you as to why its ok for YOU to live in such a substandard town? It's been done before and will be asked again (Oak Lawn) so shut your big mouth in and out of the firehouse and let the smart guys do the talking.
Ems Geek

Chicago, IL

#11 Aug 29, 2011
IAFF guy, you should be the first person to back up the fact that Tinley Fire should have it's own EMS and be a career department. All Trace represents is the privatization of the Fire/EMS side.
IAFF guy

Chicago, IL

#12 Aug 29, 2011
Should Tinley Park be full time fire? I don't know. Just cause I'm "IAFF" does not mean that I'm for all depts. to be full time. My point is watch what you say and where you say it. You can say how much Tinley is a "joke" all you want but you F*%@ing live there! Did you ever hear the term," vote with your feet" move the F out of town then bitch about it you dipshit. It's easy to trash talk on Topix but get a clue. Let me guess you were a volley/poc/part time somewhere and the hot shit wearing your pager everywhere with your FD t-shirts out at the bars and now that you got hired (if you did) you think your real big stuff now huh! You would not last ten seconds on my dept. you 2/20!
wrong

Melrose Park, IL

#13 Aug 29, 2011
Orland would send station 4, and they have only responded once this year to Tinley on a structure fire with two residents and a firefighter. There are pictures of this with the firefighter in the trace ambulance and the mayor looking on as amb.4 arrives the firefighters pull him out of trace and bring put him in Orland. These pictures say it all.

Lastly, Not to many towns will run mutual aid ambulances to tinley, why? Because they can not reciprocate to the other towns. They will respond a engine or truck because tinley can provide the same to them.
The average bill for a Advanced Life Service (ALS) is $1500-2000. Your insurance will pay around 800, and if you can't pay the rest it goes to collections. You get what you pay, I believe that the firefighters from tinley would make a better EMS response because they care about the town. They have a vested interest in helping there residents. trace employees only care about when they will be hired by a real fire department or are to big an cant get hired by a FD. That brings up another issue, when you have a large patient or in a taller building and you have two tiny or very large trace employees who do they call? The FD and time is wasted and people die. All dispatching would be one place and they could send the proper amount of personnel to the response. Tinley could also bill for the runs and almost off-set the costs and if a resident could not pay, guess what the bill is tossed.

That is the truth.

good luck, I hope Tinley Park residents someday wake up and allow the FD handle this and make that place a better and safer place to live.
IAFF guy

Chicago, IL

#14 Aug 29, 2011
Hey wrong, why don't you just call it a night. Seems to me you've had a little too much to drink and/or very uneducated. Have one more for me and call it a night!
Your Wrong

United States

#15 Aug 30, 2011
The residents dont "allow" the FD to do EMS. The Village Board and Mayor of Tinley Park have for years decided that to contract out the EMS is a better choice than taking it on through the Fire Dept or 3rd service within the village.

Dont bad mouth Trace or Vandenberg or anyone else who has the contract. They do a fine job with what they are paid and expected to do. Very few towns ever go to Tinley Park mutual aid, why, because Trace handles the calls. Maybe they are delayed or come from a long way out.... but guess what... at times so does every other town. Paramedics from Trace are as good or better than some FULL TIME IAFF PROFESSIONAL paramedics and vice versa. Dont generalize it makes you look absolutely ridiculous.

IAFF and other paid fireman get on here and bash Tinley
FD and volunteers, pocs, and what ever they call them. And guess what, 99% of them used to be volunteers, pocs, etc.

Full time fire depts who provide ALS ambulance service is what every taxpayer deserves, but if you dont want to pay for it, then you get diminished service.

Again, Crestwood uses Trace for als ambulance with NO CONTRACT, and guess what... they are not always available, and they have to transport bls or call another town. Dont blame Crestwood FD or its men, its the Village administration who have decided to not invest or levey taxes to provide what towns like Oak Forest, Orland, Hazel Crest, Homewood, Matteson, Palos, Mokena, and Frankfort have done. A full time professional fire department does the same thing as what Tinley does, but the personnel are full time, guaranteed, and long term employees who are dedicated to the job they were hired to do. And the resources are provided to them to do the job.
Tinley Park has a great PART TIME department, and they staff it well. BUT, they dont have EMS, they have part time people (many of who work other places full time), and they get away with it because the people who live in and run the town are apparently happy with the arrangement.

God help you if Trace ever decides they dont want the business any more, or goes out of business, because 60,000 residents will all of a sudden ask WHY they dont have a full time Fire/EMS Department like Orland or Oak Forest. It happened years ago when CoMed went under..... Uh Oh, we dont even own ambulances, now what do we do?

Write a letter today to Mayor Zabrocki, and the Village Trustees and offer your opinion in a coherant way, and maybe some change will be effected. Maybe they dont really understand what it is your are bitching about on here. Educate them and the people who live there, and quit making yourselves look like imbeciles.
AFFI

New Lenox, IL

#16 Aug 30, 2011
Bunch of scabs
IAFF guy

Chicago, IL

#17 Aug 30, 2011
Who are scabs?
Duh

Orland Park, IL

#18 Aug 31, 2011
Orland ambulance 2 and 4 have both responded to numerous calls in Tinley this year. Not alot maybe a half dozen.
when youre in

Orland Park, IL

#19 Sep 2, 2011
Those in this business knows what it's about. Like any business you know more doing it then looking from the outside in.

The bottom line is this. Many of those paramedics use the private ambulance business as a stepping stone before moving on to a fire department. Fresh out of paramedic school and usually young. Not alot of experience but not necessarily "bad" medics. Medics that have worked the privates along time have the experience and are good medics. But there aren't alot of 20 year private ambulance medics.

The chances of calling for an ambulance and having a young inexperienced crew is more likely in Tinley as compared to Orland, Oak Forest, or Mokena.

It's the nature of the beast and I'm not here to piss anyone off but thats how it is.
caution when passing

Terre Haute, IN

#20 Sep 3, 2011
If they keep these private ambulance, could they please install the octigan in them so the traffic lights will change (Green) for them when they approach an intersection.. Every other emergency vehicle has them, why not Trace ?

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