Medevac helicopter carrying crash victims crashes in Maryland, ...

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The accident killed two police officers on board, one of them the pilot. Also killed were an Emergency Medical Services staffer and one of the accident victims, said Mark Brady, a spokesman for the Prince ... Read more
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Towson Mom

Germantown, MD

#1 Sep 28, 2008
Just a sad, sad accident. My heart goes out to all who were involved.
UnbeLIEveable

Bel Air, MD

#2 Sep 28, 2008
Mu sympathy goes out to all concerned and their families.
Wrath

Elizabethtown, PA

#4 Sep 28, 2008
Keep 'em in your prayers.

Washington Post has a better story: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/...
Obvious

United States

#5 Sep 28, 2008
Dear "consertative": you are obviously a sick and demented person. Take your pent-up anger and aggression and move out of state. You're stinking up Parkville.
MMM

Baltimore, MD

#6 Sep 28, 2008
I'm sure conservative will be happy when those years(I'm guessing here) of fatty food, smoking and sitting on his couch catch up with him and needs a Medivac ride to save his sorry rear end. I just he has health insurance enough to cover his bill so we don't stuck paying for his iggnorance and arrogance.

Since: Jan 08

Bel Air - Maryland

#7 Sep 28, 2008
consertative wrote:
how many of these flights are real trauma flights and how many are to make the ambulance crews look important.
this accident will no doubt be spun by marty yo'mallet as the fault of bob ehrlich.
i suppose the state police waterboy, terry sheridan will have to fall on the sword to protect yo'malley.
now another expensive funeral (x2). tieing up roads and costing lots of money.
Completely uncalled for. These people put their lives on the line everyday to care for others. The safety history of our MediVac system has been very good, and it supports a trauma system that the remainder of the world seeks to model.
jeff

Baltimore, MD

#8 Sep 28, 2008
Some people like to debate politics and in an open forum, they can.

All these guys do is sit by a phone and wait for a call, then their job it to get there, land, take over life support, and get the people to the roof in Baltimore as fast as they can. They were out in a driving rain storm trying to get someone back to Baltimore. They gave their lives trying to save people flying in terrible weather conditions. They should be remembered as heros, and they should be celebrated as such.
Doug

Baltimore, MD

#9 Sep 28, 2008
Horrible.Now let us take the oppertunity to privatize this service. Maryland is getting resdy to spend over 100 MILLION Dollars on new helicopters. That, folks, is absurd.What's next, O'Malley, a state aircraft carrier. We are bleeding to death from TAXES. Send a copter over here to rescue me.How much campian money did O'Malley receive from Boeing , Lochead and United Technologies?Talk about a corrupt government. Look no further then our own state policticians
M for ajin

Marshall, WA

#10 Sep 28, 2008
consertative wrote:
how many of these flights are real trauma flights and how many are to make the ambulance crews look important.
this accident will no doubt be spun by marty yo'mallet as the fault of bob ehrlich.
i suppose the state police waterboy, terry sheridan will have to fall on the sword to protect yo'malley.
now another expensive funeral (x2). tieing up roads and costing lots of money.
I was related to one of the people that died. So if you ever want help from a med unit or you are bleeding to death in the middle of the street, I HOPE you don't get a expensive medevac or medical unit to help. All these people deserve an expensive funeral in my opinion. Did more to help others than you ever will.
EMT TOO

Baltimore, MD

#11 Sep 28, 2008
This is a very sad day for the police/fire service family. God bless the victims and their families. Please know that the entire State of Maryland Police, Fire service and EMS members are grieving with you.
ann

Baltimore, MD

#12 Sep 28, 2008
Sympathy to family and friends of these victims. Some always have to use these type of occurences to vent their strange outlooks on life. None the less, police, fire, emergency and medical personnel are our literal lifelines in good times and bad. Respect and prayers for those involved.
A relative

United States

#13 Sep 28, 2008
I am a relative of the survivor living up north in Vermont. Please keep her and her family in your prayers. We feel so sad for the families of those who lost their lives trying to save lives. We pray that they will find some comfort in knowing how important and special their loved ones were to sacrifice their lives saving others.
Surf52

Woodstock, MD

#14 Sep 28, 2008
CeAlex1223 wrote:
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Completely uncalled for. These people put their lives on the line everyday to care for others. The safety history of our MediVac system has been very good, and it supports a trauma system that the remainder of the world seeks to model.
No it isn't uncalled for. How many accident victims get medevac'd out to a trauma center to walk out three hours later? The overuse of the helo's is ridiculous and its entirely the fault of the EMS people on the scene. Either they are grossly under trained or they're a bunch of adreneline junkies.

I'm not saying that was the situation in this case, but if you read the papers and the ultimate disposition of the patients, this situation has been waiting to happen for years. We have been very lucky, we have gotten complacent, and nobody has been willing to ask the tough questions.
Shock Trauma has been over used, the Medevac system has been over used, and they've gotten to the point that patients are being flown their for a bandage and a tetnus shot.

If somebody doesn't put some sanity back into the medevac system this won't be the last crash.
tom

Cambridge, MD

#15 Sep 29, 2008
In response to Surf52 as an EMT myself I am very familiar with and have been involved in numerous medical airlifts. First even in depts. such as mine that are on a volunteer basis, EMT's are on scene with paid paramedics. In the majority of cases medical consults are done with the trauma centers before aviation is dispatched unless it apparently obvious that the patient requires care that can only be provided in a trauma center. Second as Md. certified health care providers were are governed by mandates that require us to airlift patients in cases with certain MOI's(mechinism of injury). If you think the system is overused and costly now, how much do you think the state pays out to families of victims who wern't flown out that should have been. HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. but maybe you know more than all the doctors and the chief medical officer of the state. Last God forbid it's ever your son or mother or wife laying there hurt, are going to tell the responders oh no they don't need to be flown out.. I think not.
consertative

Mount Airy, MD

#16 Sep 29, 2008
you got it doug. the USS marty yo'malley. sailing up and down the chesapeake. rememner to yo'malley mantra, only more taxes and bigger government can save us.
Doug wrote:
Horrible.Now let us take the oppertunity to privatize this service. Maryland is getting resdy to spend over 100 MILLION Dollars on new helicopters. That, folks, is absurd.What's next, O'Malley, a state aircraft carrier. We are bleeding to death from TAXES. Send a copter over here to rescue me.How much campian money did O'Malley receive from Boeing , Lochead and United Technologies?Talk about a corrupt government. Look no further then our own state policticians
MMM

Baltimore, MD

#18 Sep 29, 2008
I hope that if I am ever in a car crash or other such truama, that these flights are working over time, i get there fast, I don't die and walk out of the hopital within a few hours. I mean, I don't want to die.

Any really disagree with that?
tom

Cambridge, MD

#19 Sep 30, 2008
I heard another news report today trying to dramatize the fact that half of the victims flown out are released within a 24 hr. period. That is because on scene there is no way to do CAT scans,MRI's, and other internal screens. After an accident there is what's called the " golden hour" in which for the majority( I can't quote the exact statistic) of trauma victims if appropriate care is not recieved within that time frame chances of survival drop DRAMATICALLY. If patients are transported to local hospitals where it is then determined a greater level of care is needed. In some cases it will be too late. I ask once again do you want it to be your loved one that happens to? I'm certainly not against looking into methods of saving money in this area ie..outsourcing,totally privatizing,redistricting or whatever to help ease the state'stax burden. I am about as fiscally conservative as you can get--- but not at the cost of being able to provide first rate care to all residents and visitors.
MMM

Baltimore, MD

#20 Oct 1, 2008
Gee do they check your insurance card before you take off?

Like if you don't have insurance, you have to take the bus?
Dave

Salisbury, MD

#21 Oct 2, 2008
CeAlex1223 wrote:
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Completely uncalled for. These people put their lives on the line everyday to care for others. The safety history of our MediVac system has been very good, and it supports a trauma system that the remainder of the world seeks to model.
There is some factual basis to the original post. Depending on what study you want to use, 46%-64% of patients flown to trauma centers are released within a 24 hour period, suggesting there wasn't life threatening conditions, or anything close. Besides the obvious cost factor, every time an air ambulance flies it is yet one more time the flight crew is put at risk, and the crew and equipment are out of service. No doubt EMS personnel on the ground have to do a better job of assessing patients before calling for the medivac helicopter. In this particular incident, while I didn't read the entire Sun article, I did read near the beginning of one article that the two patients being transported that night had no life threatening injuries. Instead, both had nothing more than bruising.
Dave

Salisbury, MD

#22 Oct 2, 2008
MMM wrote:
Gee do they check your insurance card before you take off?
Like if you don't have insurance, you have to take the bus?
You better hope you have an insurance card and it covers air transport via a private firm. Air medical transports can cost from $6,000 to $30,000, depending on distance flown and resources required to keep you alive. We're lucky in Maryland that we have the state police medivac program. But don't let the politicians snooker you. There's a reason you're paying $128 every two years to register your car and $7.50 from court costs. Part of Bob Ehrlichs pitch to raise the fee for vehicle registration was to finance the MSP medivac program. As usual, the politicians have diverted the funds from their intended use and applied them to something else. Kind of like what they did when they were selling us on the idea of the Maryland lottery. Remember, all that money was supposed to go to education. They're now using the same speal to push slots through.

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