Same-sex marriage back in court

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[Fix Woodland]

NO is NO! How many times must the people of this state tell these people that we don't want it? Stop spending the tax payers money on this. It is like telling your children you can't have a cookie before dinner.

Flame ON!

[Woodlander]

Fix Woodland:

If you thought your rights were being violated you would be persistent, too. In fact, we could use your logic to make our argument: rights are rights, no matter whose rights are in question. How long will it take for people to understand this?

Oh, and comparing people who are dealing with discrimination foisted upon them by the majority to kids wanting a cookie is just ridiculous.

[Fix Woodland]

Once again what part of NO don't you get?

Rights are not rights until the Law says they are.

The people of this state spoke and they said NO, again!

My analogy of telling a child no to a cookie is the same as saying NO to this group.

Debate it all you want.

And as far as discrimination goes I am a African American man and never have I use my race to cry out for help. Do I really have to compare what many others have had to endure to get equality?

Educate yourself, do some history home work than post again if you dare.

[OK Fine]

To those who want to legalize gay marriage:

If you and your partner want to be united legally, you are more than welcome to do so with a legal Civil Union. As far as I know, that would give you the legal rights that you are asking for.

Nobody always gets 'all' the rights. If I want to claim an Indian grant, I can't, because I am not part Indian. I'm not sure, but I probably can't go to a Negro college. There are a lot of things that each of us doesn't have the 'right' to do.
No one has the right to get it all.

Get over it. You are no better than the rest of us. You can't have everything. None of us can.

[seriously]

quit demanding special rights...
get help, you're not born this way.
I pray that the spirit of perversion is loosed from those afflicted.

[Woodlander]

Where is the separation of church and state? The greatness of this country is that people have choices, and it is up to them to exercise them if they wish to. To Fix Woodland if you are an African descendant just imagine how it was when blacks couldn't marry whites.

We are ALL children of God, some perfectly beautiful, some with physical or mental limitations; the reality is that we are all different in many ways. However, there is something call RESPECT. Aside from a religious point of view, these people pay taxes, some have families or are part of someone's family, contribute to our community whether you like it or not, and now you want the state to deny them their equal rights. That's interesting... rights apply to some groups, but "others."

I am ashamed to know that some religious groups spent money on a proposition that was not even clearly stated to the majority of the population that happens to be very ignorant.

[wtc]

Equal rights for all.
Isn't that simple enough to understand?
What is difficult to understand?

[no way]

its just wrong
God created Adam and Eve
not adam and steve

[Fix Woodland]

Equal Rights! Some of you want to talk about being EQUAL!
No one has said a thing about the American Native Indians?
EQUAL Rights!
Once again I will tell you to go educate yourself before you post on something you know nothing about.

Gay or not, What do you think these people are fighting for?
Have you even looked?

I do see that several people who want to bring the Lord up into this debate. Please don't!
The Lord views Sin as just that SIN!. We all do it and we as humans put a moral value on it, NOT God.

At the same time I will never accept Sin as anything but what it is ...

[starsky]

Woodlander wrote:

Where is the separation of church and state? The greatness of this country is that people have choices, and it is up to them to exercise them if they wish to. To Fix Woodland if you are an African descendant just imagine how it was when blacks couldn't marry whites.
We are ALL children of God, some perfectly beautiful, some with physical or mental limitations; the reality is that we are all different in many ways. However, there is something call RESPECT. Aside from a religious point of view, these people pay taxes, some have families or are part of someone's family, contribute to our community whether you like it or not, and now you want the state to deny them their equal rights. That's interesting... rights apply to some groups, but "others."
I am ashamed to know that some religious groups spent money on a proposition that was not even clearly stated to the majority of the population that happens to be very ignorant.

You just called over half the population of Cali ignorant! Just because people don't agree with your lifestyle and have their own thoughts and beliefs does not make them ignorant. So what if religious groups spent money (by the way, the members did, not the church itself) they are standing up for what they believe in, you are doing the same.

[Nephilim]

Woodlander wrote:

Fix Woodland:
If you thought your rights were being violated you would be persistent, too. In fact, we could use your logic to make our argument: rights are rights, no matter whose rights are in question. How long will it take for people to understand this?
Oh, and comparing people who are dealing with discrimination foisted upon them by the majority to kids wanting a cookie is just ridiculous.

There is no right to sin and corruption of marriage.

[Woodlander Number 1]

First, I posted the first "Woodlander" post, not the second. I don't know who that person is. I don't disagree with anything this person said, I'm just not him/her.
Second, and more importantly, people have in general terms the right to do what they want in this country as long as they don't harm others. This right isn't given to groups, it is given to individuals. Gay people do not have rights under the constitution, individuals who are gay have rights, same as you. Black people do not have rights under the constitution, individuals who are black have rights, same as you. Christians don't have rights, people who are Christian do.
The rights you have come from the constitution. It is not the case, as was said above, that "rights are not rights until the law says they are." When the internet was created, for example, there were no laws addressing it, so you could literally do whatever you wanted until legislatures caught up and wrote laws addressing it. In the same sense, the right to marraige is a right that has been taken away from gay people. The Defense of Marraige Act, on the federal level, and the gay marraige ban recently passed by California voters expressly take away recognition of gay marraiges.
In the final analysis, gay marraige hurts no one and taking it away hurts many people in very real ways - health care costs, family leave recogntion, and taxes are just a few.
Opposition to gay marraige really doesn't go much beyond "Ewwwwww. That's gross." That is no argument. It is wrong to take rights from an entire group of people based upon silly prejudice.

[voter]

The "Woodland # 1" post is excellent, and a great lesson in civics.

A people puts a gov't in place.(Good. Otherwise, anarchy.)
The gov't then places both benefits and restrictions on segments of that people.(Someone once called the benefits "inalienable rights.")
No individual or group shall deny basic equality in rights or benefits for another individual.

[inorout]

Fix Woodland wrote:

Once again what part of NO don't you get?
Rights are not rights until the Law says they are.
The people of this state spoke and they said NO, again!
My analogy of telling a child no to a cookie is the same as saying NO to this group.
Debate it all you want.
And as far as discrimination goes I am a African American man and never have I use my race to cry out for help. Do I really have to compare what many others have had to endure to get equality?
Educate yourself, do some history home work than post again if you dare.

Is it any of your business if someone wants to marry another person of the same sex. Isn't there anything else in life for you to do? I don't understand what being black has to do with same sex marriage. And I think if all blacks kept quite and never attempted to get fair treatment the Civil Rights Bill would have never been passed. So kindly back off and let others have their say.

[eaglefan9727]

Woodlander Number 1 wrote:

It is wrong to take rights from an entire group of people based upon silly prejudice.

And it was wrong for the gay community to go and cry to the judges about the loss in the 2000 election that the people said "No to gay marriage" and disrespect what the people of California which includes members of my family said in the 2000 election and now the gay community is trying to do it again with the 2008 election by having the judges overturn the 2008 results. You think I should give the gay community respect after they disrespected my family and myself? Its not going to happen at all.

BTW, If gay marriage was legal pre 2000 when the first election took place. Then, I would say you would have something to complain about your rights being stripped, But that was not the case as gay marriage wasnt allowed in the state of California.

[right and correct]

We all have equal rights; for the last 30 years or so, the gay movement has been trying to change the definition to suit their desires. The majority of the population does not accept their change, furthermore, they have not accepted it every time they have had to vote on it. It has even been voted as an amendment to the State Constitution. I'd say the people have spoken. As it is, you have the right to marry a member of the opposite sex, over the age of 18, who is not already married, the same as everybody else, equal rights.

[seriously]

As it is, you have the right to marry a member of the opposite sex, over the age of 18, who is not already married, the same as everybody else, equal rights.

AMEN TO THAT, I COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF!!

[swr]

The U.S. Constitution supercedes any illegal local law.
And, no, we do not all have equal rights.

[lawman]

first of all swr get it right the U.S constitution does not supersede local law until the supreme court declares that law unconstitutional you are a minority group asking for special treatment. the question was voted on and was defeated. if you do not like the results move to Massachusetts or New Hampshire. I the country the majority rules and by the way its supersedes not supercedes.