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Wondering

Bernie, MO

#1 Mar 25, 2013
I have a question. Why is it that members of the Church of Christ believe they are the only ones going to heaven? How do they justify this? Where do they believe the disciples went when they died because they weren't Church of Christ members? And, what about the thief on the cross, who Jesus said "Today you will be with my father in paradise." I am pretty sure the thief was not a Church of Christ member..........
Facts

Kennett, MO

#2 Mar 25, 2013
The thief on the cross was still in under the Old Law. When Christ died on the cross the New Law went into effect and that is the law the Church of Christ abides by.
Wondering

Bernie, MO

#3 Mar 25, 2013
Well......the Ten Commandments were written under the old law, so does that make them null and void?????
Wondering

Bernie, MO

#4 Mar 25, 2013
And Facts, you did not answer how they justify this belief. Or the question regarding the disciples. They were still around after Jesus died on the cross........
i woke up

United States

#5 Mar 25, 2013
Picking and choosing to suit their needs. Pick the bible apart and question it all then you will hopefully see that it is a story book based on old beliefs nothing has really been proved in it. People today just don't want to see it for what is even though I'm willing to bet most have doubts
Aristotle

Saint Louis, MO

#6 Mar 25, 2013
Wondering wrote:
And Facts, you did not answer how they justify this belief. Or the question regarding the disciples. They were still around after Jesus died on the cross........
To paint a broad stroke most "christian" denominations believe themselves to have a better understanding if not corner on WHO and what god approves of. Most use scripture out of context and manipulate it to support their preconceived belief.
There is I believe one major factor why so many "Christians" can act so different and not agree with each other.
If you search the scripture on what a "christian" is supposed to be you will only find three references to "christians" and if you put them in their proper context you will find that they are derogatory terms. The greek historian Tacitus wrote that the "christians" were the most hated sect. There was and is nothing in scripture to tell what a "christian" is supposed to be. In the time of Tacitus just as it today as long as you subscribed in some way to the judeo christian understanding of god you can call yourself a "christian". So basically a "christian" can act any way, believe anyway and worship anyway, because there is nothing to define them or reference them by.
But if you look at scripture you will find a term that the followers of Jusus used almost unanimously to describe themselves,as well as what Jesus called them "disciples". And scripture is replete with instructions and examples of what they look like and act like and what they believe.
First and foremost Jesus said the world would know his disciples by the way they loved! Regardless of anything else there is your litmus test if you want to break it down to its basics.
Aristotle

Saint Louis, MO

#7 Mar 25, 2013
i woke up wrote:
Picking and choosing to suit their needs. Pick the bible apart and question it all then you will hopefully see that it is a story book based on old beliefs nothing has really been proved in it. People today just don't want to see it for what is even though I'm willing to bet most have doubts
I think if one comes from an attitude of "question" it will end the same as the one that comes from the attitude of "picking and choosing to suit their needs". Both will end up where they "intended" to before they ever started. If one were to search scripture then I believe they would have to take into consideration not only scripture but every area it speaks of. This would encompass all that life is, nature, creation, relationships, hope, your inner most thoughts and fears, your desires, love, hate and will as well as all Jesus is claimed and has claimed to be.
This cannot be done like a casual thumbing through of an issue of national geographic in a doctors waiting room. It must be a quest, its claims are eternal so justly its search must be also.
I found that my disbelief was only a product of my love for what was contrary to scripture and it had nothing to do with truth. But it was the truth that set me free.

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#8 Mar 25, 2013
Wondering wrote:
Well......the Ten Commandments were written under the old law, so does that make them null and void?????
The Ten Commandments were carried over into the New Testament. You will find that many things from the Old were carried over into the New. However Animal sacrifices were done away with and circumcision is no longer a requirement. The Old Testament was the Jewish law. Miracles are no longer required either because the New Testament confirmed what was written in the Old Testament. We now have it in writing.
Aristotle

Saint Louis, MO

#9 Mar 25, 2013
Graver wrote:
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The Ten Commandments were carried over into the New Testament. You will find that many things from the Old were carried over into the New. However Animal sacrifices were done away with and circumcision is no longer a requirement. The Old Testament was the Jewish law. Miracles are no longer required either because the New Testament confirmed what was written in the Old Testament. We now have it in writing.
Gal 4:21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. 23 But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. 24 Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. 25 Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. 26 But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.

The law wasn't meant to be lived, it was meant to bring death (2cor3:7). It was our school master to bring us to faith (gal3:24) it made sure that everyone was found guilty (romans 3:23, james 2:10) it enslaved those under its rule. Christ came to redeem us (set us free) from under the law. The law wasnt done away with or carried over it was fulfilled. The fulfillment of the Law means that Christ completed the sacrificial system that became necessary because of sin. In the Old Testament, men lived under the condemnation of the Law. Sacrifices were needed to continually atone for their sins (Leviticus 4:35, 5:10). However, since Jesus gave Himself as the ultimate sacrifice, we are no longer condemned.“He himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for our sins but also for the whole world”(1 John 2:2).
Wondering

Bernie, MO

#10 Mar 25, 2013
Yes, Jesus was sacrificed for our sins, but in order to have everlasting life you must believe and ask for forgiveness of your sins. Then, we must strive to live a Christian life. We will all sin and fall short of the glory of God, but he will always forgive us our sons as we forgive those who sin against us!
Wondering

Bernie, MO

#11 Mar 25, 2013
"sins" not "sons"
Guest

United States

#12 Mar 25, 2013
I would take a guess that most of the posters on here have never read the bible. It clearly outlines the plan of salvation and what you must do to remain faithful. The church of Christ tries to worship just as the New Testament church does. Without adding or taking away anything. After all, why take a chance on eternity with something as trivial as instrumental music? Of course there are many who will make it to heaven who did not attend a church of Christ, as long as they do not deviate from what the bible says. The bible also says that on judgement day there will be many people who will not be allowed into paradise who call on the name lord, but do not do his will. And of course there will be many members o the church of Christ in that number. I know there are many men who would be happy to study further with anyone if they would so like.
Wondering

Bernie, MO

#13 Mar 25, 2013
Yes, Guest. I was raised in church, have read the bible and attend church to this day. However, no one ever answered my question as to where the Church of Christ gets the idea that they are the only ones going to heaven. That's all I want to know. I know all about God's plan of salvation. I was just curious.
Guest

United States

#14 Mar 25, 2013
I can't speak for everyone, but I do not feel you have to be a member of the COC to go to heaven. As long as you repented, confessed, been baptized and live and worship as the bible says then you can make it to heaven. Titles are for members to find places to worship when away and to unite believers. We have no central or national association (that would be Christ). I hate this reputation the COC has, but from the outside looking in, it appears that many denominations add to and take away from New Testament commands. I hope this helps, but I am not sure what you are looking for.
Wondering wrote:
Yes, Guest. I was raised in church, have read the bible and attend church to this day. However, no one ever answered my question as to where the Church of Christ gets the idea that they are the only ones going to heaven. That's all I want to know. I know all about God's plan of salvation. I was just curious.
Wondering

Bernie, MO

#15 Mar 25, 2013
I totally agree with you on everything you said!:)) what I am looking for is the biblical reasoning behind their view. What scriptures in the bible do they believe form the basis for their belief? I have an Uncle who is a Church of Christ preacher. His mother (my grandmother) was one of the best Christians I have ever known. My mother asked him point blank if he really thought my grandmother would not go to heaven and he would not respond. His no response just confirmed the answer. I can tell you for certain if my grandmother and my mother did not enter into the gates of glory there is not much hope for the rest of us!:))
Guest

United States

#16 Mar 26, 2013
Romans 10:9 sums it up.

Confess with your mouth, Jesus is Lord;
Believe in your heart, God(Jesus' Father), raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

God is the Father of Jesus, many believe Jesus is the Almighty and intermingle the two.

God did not die on the cross. Our Lord and Savior did. Thank you God for Grace through your Son, Jesus Christ.
blaine

Malden, MO

#17 Mar 26, 2013
Just a typical microcosm of what is wrong with this world. One set of people who think they are better than others and that their way of living and looking at the world is the only one that is right and that all others are bad and evil.. No tolerance and compasion for others that may be different or believe in other way of doing things.
Go ask

Clarkton, MO

#18 Apr 2, 2013
Why not go to the church building and ask to speak to someone who can answer all you questions? Im sure there is someone that would be happy to answer them for you. Instead of putting it on topix and getting so many different answers.
Member

Dexter, MO

#19 Apr 2, 2013
Wondering wrote:
I have a question. Why is it that members of the Church of Christ believe they are the only ones going to heaven? How do they justify this? Where do they believe the disciples went when they died because they weren't Church of Christ members? And, what about the thief on the cross, who Jesus said "Today you will be with my father in paradise." I am pretty sure the thief was not a Church of Christ member..........
I have grown up in the Church of Christ. Never once have I ever heard a sermon or lesson taught that stated that we (members of the Church of Christ) were the ONLY ones going to Heaven. This is most definitely a misconception about the church. I think it would probably be safe to say that if you heard that statement, it came from someone else who was not a member of the Church of Christ. Come worship with us sometime and see for yourself! We would love to have you!
Former member

United States

#20 Apr 3, 2013
I grew up in the church of Christ as well. Although there may have never been a sermon speaking directly about church of Christ members are the only ones going to heaven, there have been plenty of sermons about how the church of Christ's interpretation of the bible, and plan of salvation, is the exact and only way to get into heaven.
Just as their belief that having a beer or dancing is a sin!! Their whole mentality is that they believe they are the only ones that are right. They seem to forget who is in charge of judging!

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