California Proposition 19: the Mariju...

California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legalization Initiative

Created by CitizenTopix on Oct 7, 2010

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Yappers

Sierra Madre, CA

#14449 Jan 9, 2013
Still nothing to report on this site, since nits post here.

Have a Morgan on me.
Splenda

Sierra Madre, CA

#14451 Jan 9, 2013
San Francisco Giants pitcher Sergio Romo did not commit a crime, yet he was arrested at a Las Vegas airport. The Fourth Amendment protects the people from the government improperly taking property, papers or people without a valid warrant based on probably cause (good reason).

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#14452 Jan 9, 2013
Big D wrote:
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So make it that same
Booze was easy to obtain while illegal also, and brought with it much violent crime
It doesn't compare, pot is a weed, booze has to be processed, it's not that easy to obtain when it was illegal for kids. Get it? Biggot Dope.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#14453 Jan 9, 2013
Splenda wrote:
San Francisco Giants pitcher Sergio Romo did not commit a crime, yet he was arrested at a Las Vegas airport. The Fourth Amendment protects the people from the government improperly taking property, papers or people without a valid warrant based on probably cause (good reason).
What are you talking about retard: Romo failed to provide proper identification at a document checkpoint and engaged in a dispute with TSA officers. I guess you never fly, EVERY person has to show proper ID to get through security. Doesn't Obama give you free loaders free flights once in awhile? That just isn't fair that just the rich are flying around...lol.
Hitch

Sierra Madre, CA

#14454 Jan 9, 2013
Ya have to remeber the city council members for Glendora, California are a bunch of right wing Tea Party Baggers, they are pron to going off half-cocked at the slightest hint of them being held responsible for something.

Supreme Court Rules L.A. County Not Responsible for Polluted Waters.

The current Court decision is a blow to environmentalists who wanted the county to clean copper, fecal bacteria and other pollutants from L.A. rivers before it reached the ocean.
Bruno24

Brussels, Belgium

#14455 Jan 10, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
making pot legal will only increase more kids using it. That's all we need: more dumb kids walking around with their pants just above their knees.
It can also decrease the use of dangerous legal medication, and the use of alcohol.
The study above concerns minorities of heavy pot consumption, you should compare with heavy alcohol consumption.
Illegality of marijuana is just a nonsense. Prohibition of drugs too, it can only lead to organized drug state dealing.
How the land of the free can be worst than North Korean communism in the domain of health remains a sort of mystery for me.
Bruno 99

Sierra Madre, CA

#14456 Jan 10, 2013
Whats the clock say?

Where is that darn mouse, anyway?

Has P. Morgan left US soil yet?

Throw the bum off.
Bruno24

Brussels, Belgium

#14457 Jan 10, 2013
Also, making pot legal would decrease the use of it by the youth. All studies confirms that the use of pot increases with the severity of the repression. In The Netherlands, where pot is tolerated for adults, most young people do not smoke it, because they see this as a "stupid adult behavior".
Of course, this happens also because they know that the street pot is bad and abnormally expensive (sold only to ignorant tourists) and because in the quasi-legal and transparently tolerated coffee-shops, the vendor asks the ID, and respect it by fear of losing the job.
By making pot illegal, you offer the dealing job to the criminals, who not only never ask the ID, but on the contrary target specifically the youth, and try to enroll them in the criminal cycle.
The result: pot can be found easily by very young people, on all corners of all streets. Your kids can smoke it easily, and even make a lot of money with it. Anyone serious about protecting the kids from drugs, and criminals, should fight prohibition. prohibition makes the drug easily accessible to the kids. They become victim of unregulated advertizing, and target n° 1 of the criminals.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#14458 Jan 10, 2013
Bruno24 wrote:
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It can also decrease the use of dangerous legal medication, and the
Are you saying Doctors will prescribe pot instead of the dangerous meds like Ritalin and Prozac?

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#14459 Jan 10, 2013
Bruno24 wrote:
Also, making pot legal would decrease the use of it by the youth. All studies confirms that the use of pot increases with the severity of the repression. In The Netherlands, where pot is tolerated for adults, most young people do not smoke it, because they see this as a "stupid adult behavior".
Of course, this happens also because they know that the street pot is bad and abnormally expensive (sold only to ignorant tourists) and because in the quasi-legal and transparently tolerated coffee-shops, the vendor asks the ID, and respect it by fear of losing the job.
By making pot illegal, you offer the dealing job to the criminals, who not only never ask the ID, but on the contrary target specifically the youth, and try to enroll them in the criminal cycle.
The result: pot can be found easily by very young people, on all corners of all streets. Your kids can smoke it easily, and even make a lot of money with it. Anyone serious about protecting the kids from drugs, and criminals, should fight prohibition. prohibition makes the drug easily accessible to the kids. They become victim of unregulated advertizing, and target n° 1 of the criminals.
Because something happens in the Netherlands does that mean it's a model for USA? Do we have 99% of the same race? Why did you leave out that the Netherlands is a major producer and leading distributor of heroin, cocaine, amphetamines and other synthetic drugs? Yeah kids are now not doing as much pot but into more heroin....Great!
Largelanguage

Chester, UK

#14460 Jan 10, 2013
Bruno24 wrote:
Also, making pot legal would decrease the use of it by the youth. All studies confirms that the use of pot increases with the severity of the repression. In The Netherlands, where pot is tolerated for adults, most young people do not smoke it, because they see this as a "stupid adult behavior".
Of course, this happens also because they know that the street pot is bad and abnormally expensive (sold only to ignorant tourists) and because in the quasi-legal and transparently tolerated coffee-shops, the vendor asks the ID, and respect it by fear of losing the job.
By making pot illegal, you offer the dealing job to the criminals, who not only never ask the ID, but on the contrary target specifically the youth, and try to enroll them in the criminal cycle.
The result: pot can be found easily by very young people, on all corners of all streets. Your kids can smoke it easily, and even make a lot of money with it. Anyone serious about protecting the kids from drugs, and criminals, should fight prohibition. prohibition makes the drug easily accessible to the kids. They become victim of unregulated advertizing, and target n° 1 of the criminals.
How out of touch with the real world! Were you homeschooled in order to collect silly ideas? Most kids actually try to take alchol because they see it as being grown up. Teens actually attempt to be more grown up and try to imitate them. Ever heard of the phrase, "growing up to fast", or just far in your ignorance and folly?

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#14461 Jan 10, 2013
Bruno24 wrote:
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How the land of the free can be worst than North Korean communism in the domain of health remains a sort of mystery for me.
WTF are you babbling about? That North Korea has better health care? You might want to put down that bong and read the shit you write.
MakeUppers

Sierra Madre, CA

#14462 Jan 10, 2013
Your right again, you found the out of towners S hole, alright.
Bruno24

Belgium

#14463 Jan 11, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Are you saying Doctors will prescribe pot instead of the dangerous meds like Ritalin and Prozac?
Notably.
Bruno24

Belgium

#14464 Jan 11, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Because something happens in the Netherlands does that mean it's a model for USA? Do we have 99% of the same race? Why did you leave out that the Netherlands is a major producer and leading distributor of heroin, cocaine, amphetamines and other synthetic drugs? Yeah kids are now not doing as much pot but into more heroin....Great!
They have less consumption on all drugs. They have made pot quasi-legal, to be able to fight more seriously the other "real" drugs. But eventually, like in my country, they have add evidence that legalizing heroin and cocaine makes the consumption of those products much less healthier, and diminishing.
Bruno24

Belgium

#14465 Jan 11, 2013
Largelanguage wrote:
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How out of touch with the real world! Were you homeschooled in order to collect silly ideas? Most kids actually try to take alchol because they see it as being grown up. Teens actually attempt to be more grown up and try to imitate them. Ever heard of the phrase, "growing up to fast", or just far in your ignorance and folly?
This is contrary to the facts. Alcohol was bad and sold everywhere during prohibition. Yes so me kids will imitate adults and smoke pot, but most will not, or just occasionally. Nothing like the kids conusmption in Canada, France, or USA where prohibition makes the kids the direct target of the criminals. Some book have been written on this. No serious experts doubts this. It is logical, predictible and confirmed.
Bruno24

Belgium

#14466 Jan 11, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>WTF are you babbling about? That North Korea has better health care? You might want to put down that bong and read the shit you write.
I expressed myself poorly. Sorry. I meant only that the US politics on health was worst than the North Korean politics in general. At least the North Korean suffer consciously of this; in the US, people have been almost successfully brainwashed. They believe in "drugs". A drug is a medication made illegal so that it can be sold to kids, without price nor quality controls. Prohibition is the problem, not the medication. It has made the state into a drug dealer, without competitors.

"If people let government decide which foods they eat and medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are&#65279; the souls of those who live under tyranny." Thomas Jefferson
Skippy

Monrovia, CA

#14467 Jan 11, 2013
Skippy says: get out of towners are just pests they just make a mess.

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#14468 Jan 11, 2013
Bruno24 wrote:
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They have less consumption on all drugs. They have made pot quasi-legal, to be able to fight more seriously the other "real" drugs. But eventually, like in my country, they have add evidence that legalizing heroin and cocaine makes the consumption of those products much less healthier, and diminishing.
Is pot completely legal in Netherlands? Last time I checked, you have to stay in the coffee shop. There is a huge concern in the Netherlands for rapid drug use. After allowing marijuana to be sold in certain cafes, the Government of the Netherlands reconsidered its legalization policy. Consumption of marijuana had nearly tripled from 15 to 44% among 18-20 year olds. Despite the Dutch Government’s policy to provide “medical” marijuana to patients through pharmacies, many individuals have chosen to obtain their marijuana through cafes. Part of the problem with the Dutch policy is that the price of pharmaceutical grade marijuana is prohibitive. After years of support for cannabis cafes, the Dutch Government is having second thoughts. The number of Dutch marijuana coffeehouses dropped from 1179 in 1997 to 782 in 2002—decreasing 34% in five years. And 73% of Dutch towns do not allow cannabis cafes. Mayor of Maastricht Pushes Cannabis Cafes to Edge of City: According to a New York Times article,“the mayor (of Maastricht) wants to move most of the city's 16 licensed cannabis clubs to the edge of town, preferably close to the border”(with Belgium and Germany). Mayor Gerd Leers is reacting to growing concerns among residents who “complain of traffic problems, petty crime, loitering and public urination. There have been shootings between Balkan gangs. Maastricht's small police force…is already spending one-third of its time on drug-related problems.” Cannabis clubs have drawn “pushers of hard drugs from Amsterdam, who often harass people on the streets.”

Since: Nov 12

Elk Grove, CA

#14469 Jan 11, 2013
Tolerant drug policies in Switzerland have resulted in an influx of drug users. In 1987, the Swiss Government permitted drug use and sales in a part of Zurich called Platzspitz, or “Needle Park.” By 1992, over 20,000 drug users congregated in the park, and the surrounding areas were overrun with crime. The park has been shut down and the experiment has been terminated.

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