Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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putting aside the issue of the vote, a vote should be upheld both sides rallied and the losers of the vote should not have voted if they were unwilling to accept the outcome of the vote.

regarding this issue, america should relabel marriages as domestic partnership. this would render all couples equal and "marriage" would remain a religious ceremony for those whom choose to do it.. like baptism

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anonymous wrote:
putting aside the issue of the vote, a vote should be upheld both sides rallied and the losers of the vote should not have voted if they were unwilling to accept the outcome of the vote.
regarding this issue, america should relabel marriages as domestic partnership. this would render all couples equal and "marriage" would remain a religious ceremony for those whom choose to do it.. like baptism
Civil ceremonies are marriages, church weddings are already called Holy Matrimony.
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Civil ceremonies are marriages, church weddings are already called Holy Matrimony.
okay i didn't know this thank you, i think this should be more publically addressed. I would like to see equal rights for all, and some atheists choose not to get married, i would like to see equal rights for all and putting fanaic haters aside, it seems most religous people want to save "their" word/rite "marriage" which is actually already sepertately catagorized as Holy Matrimony
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Since when hasn't a knot hole worked for you in the past?

Get off the subject and go play in knots landing.

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No, it's about repression. When I can legally marry another dusty mangina, there's no affect on your marriage. You are still as married as you ever were. Nothing changes, the world continues to rotate daily, and haters will still be haters.
Why bother regulating marriage at all? Why does it matter who marries who? You could've easily said, "....legally marry two dusty manginas, or a related dusty mangina, or dusty womangina? Why does it mmatter who marries who legally, that is?

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Why bother regulating marriage at all? Why does it matter who marries who? You could've easily said, "....legally marry two dusty manginas, or a related dusty mangina, or dusty womangina? Why does it mmatter who marries who legally, that is?
Go ahead and champion the crusade for plural marriage. I'm going to focus on SSM, period. I'm done with hypothetical scenarios.

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It certainly would be accepted better if it was done by popular vote. I think much of the opposition to same sex marriage isn't against it per se, but it is a backlash against making it legal by judicial fiat. I think if a popular vote were held today, it would probably pass. And avoid much backlash against it.
I disagree, a popular vote was taken in California, and a judge rewrote marriage law. Maryland is one of the very few cases of popular referendum in support of legislated same sex marriage law. Without a legislated model, I doubt the electorate would have agreed to same sex marriage.

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Wat the Tyler wrote:
<quoted text>No but I can't stand over 50% of the people who live in this country.

[QUOTE]Why millions cross the border to come here, goofball?"

USA has a net negative migration rate. More people are leaving the AmeriKKKa nation than entering.

[QUOTE]America is the best country in the world!"

Not true in terms of education, healthcare, wealth equality, birth mortality, etc.

[QUOTE]Full of Conservative Christians who risk their lives to help other overseas. Conservatives who care abs love others and send millions of dollars to help other countries in need!"

Most Conservative Christians are the ones pushing for killing and wars overseas.

[QUOTE]Why do you think Texas has no "kids gun down" problem?"

They do. Texas is one of the worst states in the union with the highest teen pregnancy, poverty, stupidity, illiteracy, etc.

[QUOTE]Did you know that cities that allow guns are less violent and have less crime?"

Not true. You are lying.

[QUOTE]Do you really think that taking guns from law abiding citizens will reduce crime?
"

Yes Amerifat. Statistically it's been proven that less guns = less killing. Look at UK with only 35 deaths caused by guns last year.
Myth #3: Gun Control Has Reduced The Crime Rates In Other Countries

1. Fact: The murder rates in many nations (such as England) were ALREADY LOW BEFORE enacting gun control. Thus, their restrictive laws cannot be credited with lowering their crime rates.1
2. Fact: Gun control has done nothing to keep crime rates from rising in many of the nations that have imposed severe firearms restrictions.
* Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most guns and making it a crime to use a gun defensively, armed robberies rose by 51%, unarmed robberies by 37%, assaults by 24% and kidnappings by 43%. While murders fell by 3%, manslaughter rose by 16%."2
* Canada: After enacting stringent gun control laws in 1991 and 1995, Canada has not made its citizens any safer. "The contrast between the criminal violence rates in the United States and in Canada is dramatic," says Canadian criminologist Gary Mauser in 2003. "Over the past decade, the rate of violent crime in Canada has increased while in the United States the violent crime rate has plummeted." 3
* England: According to the BBC News, handgun crime in the United Kingdom rose by 40% in the two years after it passed its draconian gun ban in 1997.4
* Japan: One newspaper headline says it all: Police say "Crime rising in Japan, while arrests at record low."5
3. Fact: British citizens are now more likely to become a victim of crime than are people in the United States:
* In 1998, a study conducted jointly by statisticians from the U.S. Department of Justice and the University of Cambridge in England found that most crime is now worse in England than in the United States.
* "You are more likely to be mugged in England than in the United States," stated the Reuters news agency in summarizing the study. "The rate of robbery is now 1.4 times higher in England and Wales than in the United States, and the British burglary rate is nearly double America's."6 The murder rate in the United States is reportedly higher than in England, but according to the DOJ study, "the difference between the [murder rates in the] two countries has narrowed over the past 16 years."7
* The United Nations confirmed these results in 2000 when it reported that the crime rate in England is higher than the crime rates of 16 other industrialized nations, including the United States.8

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<quoted text>No but I can't stand over 50% of the people who live in this country.

[QUOTE]Why millions cross the border to come here, goofball?"

USA has a net negative migration rate. More people are leaving the AmeriKKKa nation than entering.

[QUOTE]America is the best country in the world!"

Not true in terms of education, healthcare, wealth equality, birth mortality, etc.

[QUOTE]Full of Conservative Christians who risk their lives to help other overseas. Conservatives who care abs love others and send millions of dollars to help other countries in need!"

Most Conservative Christians are the ones pushing for killing and wars overseas.

[QUOTE]Why do you think Texas has no "kids gun down" problem?"

They do. Texas is one of the worst states in the union with the highest teen pregnancy, poverty, stupidity, illiteracy, etc.

[QUOTE]Did you know that cities that allow guns are less violent and have less crime?"

Not true. You are lying.

[QUOTE]Do you really think that taking guns from law abiding citizens will reduce crime?
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Yes Amerifat. Statistically it's been proven that less guns = less killing. Look at UK with only 35 deaths caused by guns last year.
4. Fact: British authorities routinely underreport crime statistics. Comparing statistics between different nations can be quite difficult since foreign officials frequently use different standards in compiling crime statistics.
* The British media has remained quite critical of authorities there for "fiddling" with crime data. Consider some of the headlines in their papers: "Crime figures a sham, say police,"910 and "Police figures under-record offences by 20 percent."11 "Police are accused of fiddling crime data,"
* British police have also criticized the system because of the "widespread manipulation" of crime data:
a. "Officers said that pressure to convince the public that police were winning the fight against crime had resulted in a long list of ruses to 'massage' statistics."12
b. Sgt. Mike Bennett says officers have become increasingly frustrated with the practice of manipulating statistics. "The crime figures are meaningless," he said. "Police everywhere know exactly what is going on."13
c. According to The Electronic Telegraph, "Officers said the recorded level of crime bore no resemblance to the actual amount of crime being committed."14
* Underreporting crime data: "One former Scotland Yard officer told The Telegraph of a series of tricks that rendered crime figures 'a complete sham.' A classic example, he said, was where a series of homes in a block flats were burgled and were regularly recorded as one crime. Another involved pickpocketing, which was not recorded as a crime unless the victim had actually seen the item being stolen."15
* Underreporting murder data: British crime reporting tactics keep murder rates artificially low. "Suppose that three men kill a woman during an argument outside a bar. They are arrested for murder, but because of problems with identification (the main witness is dead), charges are eventually dropped. In American crime statistics, the event counts as a three-person homicide, but in British statistics it counts as nothing at all.'With such differences in reporting criteria, comparisons of U.S. homicide rates with British homicide rates is a sham,'[a 2000 report from the Inspectorate of Constabulary] concludes."16

http://gunowners.org/sk0703.htm

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<quoted text>No but I can't stand over 50% of the people who live in this country.

[QUOTE]Why millions cross the border to come here, goofball?"

USA has a net negative migration rate. More people are leaving the AmeriKKKa nation than entering.

[QUOTE]America is the best country in the world!"

Not true in terms of education, healthcare, wealth equality, birth mortality, etc.

[QUOTE]Full of Conservative Christians who risk their lives to help other overseas. Conservatives who care abs love others and send millions of dollars to help other countries in need!"

Most Conservative Christians are the ones pushing for killing and wars overseas.

[QUOTE]Why do you think Texas has no "kids gun down" problem?"

They do. Texas is one of the worst states in the union with the highest teen pregnancy, poverty, stupidity, illiteracy, etc.

[QUOTE]Did you know that cities that allow guns are less violent and have less crime?"

Not true. You are lying.

[QUOTE]Do you really think that taking guns from law abiding citizens will reduce crime?
"

Yes Amerifat. Statistically it's been proven that less guns = less killing. Look at UK with only 35 deaths caused by guns last year.
Gun Crime Soars in England Where Guns Are Banned
December 11, 2013
Since NBC sportscaster Bob Costas gave us an anti-gun lecture two weeks ago during Sunday Night Football, we've heard a lot from progressives like Juan Williams, Bob Beckel and anti-gun advocacy groups about how countries in Europe with strict gun control laws don't have problems with gun crime. We've also heard the reason the United States has a "gun crime problem" is because we allow citizens to own handguns however, the numbers on violent crime committed using a gun tell a different story.

New data out from the UK, where guns are banned, shows gun crime has soared by 35 percent.

http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2...

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Wat the Tyler wrote:
<quoted text>No but I can't stand over 50% of the people who live in this country.

[QUOTE]Why millions cross the border to come here, goofball?"

USA has a net negative migration rate. More people are leaving the AmeriKKKa nation than entering.

[QUOTE]America is the best country in the world!"

Not true in terms of education, healthcare, wealth equality, birth mortality, etc.

[QUOTE]Full of Conservative Christians who risk their lives to help other overseas. Conservatives who care abs love others and send millions of dollars to help other countries in need!"

Most Conservative Christians are the ones pushing for killing and wars overseas.

[QUOTE]Why do you think Texas has no "kids gun down" problem?"

They do. Texas is one of the worst states in the union with the highest teen pregnancy, poverty, stupidity, illiteracy, etc.

[QUOTE]Did you know that cities that allow guns are less violent and have less crime?"

Not true. You are lying.

[QUOTE]Do you really think that taking guns from law abiding citizens will reduce crime?
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Yes Amerifat. Statistically it's been proven that less guns = less killing. Look at UK with only 35 deaths caused by guns last year.
"USA has a net negative migration rate. More people are leaving the AmeriKKKa nation than entering."

Yes, since Libtrads started running Congress!!!
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Just let yourself out to pasture next time.

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<quoted text>I disagree, a popular vote was taken in California, and a judge rewrote marriage law. Maryland is one of the very few cases of popular referendum in support of legislated same sex marriage law. Without a legislated model, I doubt the electorate would have agreed to same sex marriage.
I do believe it was quite a bit more complicated than you imply...

March 2000 California voters voted for prop 22 (61.4% to 38.2%), a law essentially identical to prop 8 that came later.

Prop 22 was ruled as unconstitutional by the California State Supreme Court in May of 2008.

Prop 8 (essentially the same as prop 22) passed as a constitutional amendment (52.24% to 47.76%) in Nov 2008.

Judge Walker overturned the law August 2010. A stay has held up any marriages for same sex couples though.

The United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit affirmed Walker's decision and continued the stay Feb 2012.

It now awaits the US Supreme Court for final decision.

This is hardly the action of a single out of control judge. It also isn't the re-writing of anything by one judge.

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No, it's about repression. When I can legally marry another dusty mangina, there's no affect on your marriage. You are still as married as you ever were. Nothing changes, the world continues to rotate daily, and haters will still be haters.
Pietro Armando wrote:
Why bother regulating marriage at all? Why does it matter who marries who? You could've easily said, "....legally marry two dusty manginas, or a related dusty mangina, or dusty womangina? Why does it mmatter who marries who legally, that is?
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Go ahead and champion the crusade for plural marriage. I'm going to focus on SSM, period. I'm done with hypothetical scenarios.
Ya didn't answer the question.
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anonymous wrote:
putting aside the issue of the vote, a vote should be upheld both sides rallied and the losers of the vote should not have voted if they were unwilling to accept the outcome of the vote.
regarding this issue, america should relabel marriages as domestic partnership. this would render all couples equal and "marriage" would remain a religious ceremony for those whom choose to do it.. like baptism
Marriage is a legal contract, not a religious ceremony.

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KiMare wrote:
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Hardly. The law and the Constitution are being manipulated. Our founding Fathers are rolling over in their graves.
Let 'em roll. Women can vote, slavery is illegal, murder of natives is, well, murder.
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If you knew history, you'd know they knew they had sounded the death knell for those issues.
While those issues have been confronted over and over in history, calling gay couples married has only extremely rarely and briefly been attempted. A clear distinction.
Ho, Ho, Ho.
Monster mutations were killed. Even now, DNA tests are done on fetuses so the mother can abort if there is an abnormality. As in the case of a chimera.

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Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I disagree, a popular vote was taken in California, and a judge rewrote marriage law. Maryland is one of the very few cases of popular referendum in support of legislated same sex marriage law. Without a legislated model, I doubt the electorate would have agreed to same sex marriage.
Now that gay marriage is legal in MD, when are members of the Ravens going to be forced to marry each other? Your claim was that members of pro sports teams would be forced to marry each other when gay marriage is allowed.
Any sort of idea on that timeline?
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Remember don't boil the TEA to long, other wise it turns bitter.

Tea Party nuts are bitter.

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martinezjosei wrote:
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"USA has a net negative migration rate. More people are leaving the AmeriKKKa nation than entering."
Yes, since Libtrads started running Congress!!!
When are you con dumbs leaving?

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Pietro Armando wrote:
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Ya didn't answer the question.
I want the 1400 plus benefits that straight people receive from the federal government by being "married ". Until we have that, I'm not prepared to fight other battles.

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