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There are 62297 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Since: May 12

Location hidden

#30877 Jun 20, 2012
Eighthman wrote:
What retard keeps posting this now defunct topic?
I think its an interesting thread, so im keeping an eye on it:)
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#30878 Jun 20, 2012
Northie wrote:
So much for the notion that the green economy is a socialist plot.
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'tiny-minded anne' wrote:
You really need to learn the difference between communist and socialist.
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litesong wrote:
'tiny-minded anne' disputes AGW deniers who call Northie, a communist.
kristy

Palm Bay, FL

#30879 Jun 20, 2012
Northie wrote:
What other industry has pushed the world's largest nations into war for its own gain?
What other industry owns several of the world's major national governments?
What other industry controls world economics through a giant cartel?
What other industry gets more than $600 billion in annual subsidies even while it enjoys record profits far beyond that?
That would be Goldman Sachs. The oil industry is not the problem.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/an...
kristy

Palm Bay, FL

#30880 Jun 20, 2012
fishaholic wrote:
Hey! Here's our favorite "green hypocrite" that hasn't had much to say lately. Guess he's been too busy with his own little "green" project.$16M here,$13$M there, pretty soon, it'll be adding up to some real money. Bernie Madoff Jr. anyone? How can ANY fund have that much ROR without something 'cooking'. I find it hilarious that this fund is being handed off from a guy that's under investigation to one that should be. No wonder they tried to do this on the down-low.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/city_deal_...
I thought the exact same thing when I read that article...Bernie Madoff all over again. Notice who Al Gore's partner is? A former Goldman Sachs executive.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#30881 Jun 20, 2012
Teddy R wrote:
<quoted text>
Bigger and more subsidized than the global arms industry??
You have an interesting perspective there.
Warped ... irrational ... ideologically twisted ... but interesting.
(BTW - that blinking red light? That's your Credibility Low Level Warning light - it just went into overdrive)
Yes, at around $8 trillion in annual revenue, the energy industry is definitely larger than the arms industry. More subsidized? Hard to say, but it's also very hard to separate the two. For example, the US Navy is the world's largest arms consumer as well as the world's largest oil consumer, and its de facto mission is to police the world's oil fields and oil transport lanes, serving oil-patch US garrisons and US clients--the latter of which are also our largest arms customers. It's the circle of life.

Ever visited the Arizona Memorial in Pearl Harbor? Notice the oil bubbling from the bottom? Remember why the Japanese attacked Pearl (immediately after the US embargoed oil exports to Japan)? Hard to see where the arms industry ended and the oil industry began even back then.

Remember why Hitler risked everything for a reckless drive to the Caspian, and lost? What industry now runs Russia (and a dozen other major nations)? Hint: it ain't solar.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#30882 Jun 20, 2012
me me me getting mine in the 69 position wrote:
Find me an IPCC report that doesn't qualify "crisis" with a "maybe" or "could" of some sort.
Find ANY science report by 'me me me getting mine in the 69 position'.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#30883 Jun 20, 2012
Why aren't alarmists beholden to these guys for services rendered?
In 1989 Dr. Roy W. Spencer (then a NASA/Marshall scientist and now a Principal Research Scientist at UAH) and [John] Christy developed a global temperature data set from microwave data observed from satellites beginning in 1979. For this achievement, the Spencer-Christy team was awarded NASA's Medal for Exceptional Scientific Achievement in 1991. In 1996, they were selected to receive a Special Award by the American Meteorological Society "for developing a global, precise record of earth's temperature from operational polar-orbiting satellites, fundamentally advancing our ability to monitor climate." In January 2002 Christy was inducted as a Fellow of the American Meteorological Society.

Since: Apr 10

Milwaukee, WI USA

#30884 Jun 20, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
Why aren't alarmists beholden to these guys for services rendered?<quoted text>
Politics doesn't work that way.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#30885 Jun 20, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
Why aren't alarmists beholden to these guys for services rendered?<quoted text>
Spencer and colleague John Christy published papers that implied the troposphere was warming at a much slower rate than the surface temperature record and climate models indicated...". However, the discrepancy turned out to be an artifact of their having applied incorrect adjustments to their UAH satellite temperature record data.

July 2011 Spencer & Braswell paper - seriously flawed. Remote Sensing editor-in-chief Wolfgang Wagner resigned, saying that the paper should not have been published.

At the George C. Marshall Institute roundtable in 2006 Spencer said "We are not saying that we don't believe that there can be significant global warming. As John [Christy] said, if you add CO2, something has to change..."

While their work was valuable, their conclusions were not reliable and are often unsupported. They have been wrong several times. It is interesting that both are involved with several RW think tanks.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#30886 Jun 20, 2012
Prime example of how "tolerant" the AGW religion is. Primary rule is if you don't share the same belief, you don't need to work here. Hope OSU has enough to hire some good lawyers. They're gonna need 'em.

Professor fired after expressing climate change skepticism

"We can only speculate as to how the decision to fire Drapela was made,” Fulks wrote, adding,“I would suspect that Dr. Phil Mote (Director of their Climate Change Research Institute) had a hand in the decision, because he has previously been highly intolerant of those who oppose his ideas and could potentially threaten his business empire.”

http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/20/professor-f...

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#30887 Jun 21, 2012
Steve Case wrote:
Politics doesn't work that way.
I can see that, Bozo's comments are all the proof needed.

“EnvironMENTAList ”

Since: Feb 07

Near Detroit

#30888 Jun 21, 2012
Northie wrote:
What other industry has pushed the world's largest nations into war for its own gain?
What other industry owns several of the world's major national governments?
What other industry controls world economics through a giant cartel?
What other industry gets more than $600 billion in annual subsidies even while it enjoys record profits far beyond that?
They control the weather now? Do you dance at the moon and sacrifice squirrels to please the angry weather gods too? Evil corporations are changing the weather now. Too funny!

“EnvironMENTAList ”

Since: Feb 07

Near Detroit

#30889 Jun 21, 2012
How could thousands of scientists crying “It is real and happening” with thousands of unique views on “effects” be anything close to consensus of certain death by CO2 for my kids? No way!

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#30890 Jun 21, 2012
Northie wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, at around $8 trillion in annual revenue, the energy industry is definitely larger than the arms industry. More subsidized? Hard to say, but it's also very hard to separate the two. For example, the US Navy is the world's largest arms consumer as well as the world's largest oil consumer, and its de facto mission is to police the world's oil fields and oil transport lanes, serving oil-patch US garrisons and US clients--the latter of which are also our largest arms customers. It's the circle of life.
Ever visited the Arizona Memorial in Pearl Harbor? Notice the oil bubbling from the bottom? Remember why the Japanese attacked Pearl (immediately after the US embargoed oil exports to Japan)? Hard to see where the arms industry ended and the oil industry began even back then.
Remember why Hitler risked everything for a reckless drive to the Caspian, and lost? What industry now runs Russia (and a dozen other major nations)? Hint: it ain't solar.
Of course it isn't solar. Solar isn't profitable without government subsities.

As for what touched off the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. It was steel and not oil. There were closer sources of Oil than the US at the time. What the Japanese were getting from the US was scrap steel. Shiploads of scrap metal. Yes I have seen the oil bubbling out of the wreck of the USS Arizona Memorial

Of course what you need is a way to blame oil for everything. The purpose of the US Navy is to protect the Sea Ways for shipping and that is far more things than oil. Yes, one of the millions of things shipped is oil yet it isn't the only thing shipped. Food is shipped around the world as well. Hitler wasn't only going after oil in his drive to Russia. You do not make tanks and guns out of oil. You make them out of steel. Not to mention the old saying about an army travels on it's stomach. Plenty of grains raised in the area.

What you are doing is trying to modify history so you can blame it on your favorite villian, Big Oil. Then again you pin everything on Big Oil.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#30891 Jun 21, 2012
fishaholic wrote:
Prime example of how "tolerant" the AGW religion is. Primary rule is if you don't share the same belief, you don't need to work here. Hope OSU has enough to hire some good lawyers. They're gonna need 'em.
Professor fired after expressing climate change skepticism
"We can only speculate as to how the decision to fire Drapela was made,” Fulks wrote, adding,“I would suspect that Dr. Phil Mote (Director of their Climate Change Research Institute) had a hand in the decision, because he has previously been highly intolerant of those who oppose his ideas and could potentially threaten his business empire.”
http://dailycaller.com/2012/06/20/professor-f...
Go ahead and do the Coed across the desk but don't doubt their religion.
PHD

Houston, TX

#30892 Jun 21, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course it isn't solar. Solar isn't profitable without government subsities.
As for what touched off the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. It was steel and not oil. There were closer sources of Oil than the US at the time. What the Japanese were getting from the US was scrap steel. Shiploads of scrap metal. Yes I have seen the oil bubbling out of the wreck of the USS Arizona Memorial
Of course what you need is a way to blame oil for everything. The purpose of the US Navy is to protect the Sea Ways for shipping and that is far more things than oil. Yes, one of the millions of things shipped is oil yet it isn't the only thing shipped. Food is shipped around the world as well. Hitler wasn't only going after oil in his drive to Russia. You do not make tanks and guns out of oil. You make them out of steel. Not to mention the old saying about an army travels on it's stomach. Plenty of grains raised in the area.
What you are doing is trying to modify history so you can blame it on your favorite villian, Big Oil. Then again you pin everything on Big Oil.
June 1941 through the end of July 1941. Japan occupied southern Indochina. Two days later, the U.S., Britain, and the Netherlands froze Japanese assets. This prevented Japan from buying oil, which would, in time, cripple its army and make its navy and air force completely useless.
Your the same less thaen box of rocks. Don't you know anyhting? See you are a child of the one left behind program.Actually the big villian is coal. SEE WINF=D MILLS RULKE AGAIN!!!!

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#30893 Jun 21, 2012
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>
June 1941 through the end of July 1941. Japan occupied southern Indochina. Two days later, the U.S., Britain, and the Netherlands froze Japanese assets. This prevented Japan from buying oil, which would, in time, cripple its army and make its navy and air force completely useless.
Your the same less thaen box of rocks. Don't you know anyhting? See you are a child of the one left behind program.Actually the big villian is coal. SEE WINF=D MILLS RULKE AGAIN!!!!
Yes, and what was Japan buying from the US, steel. Steel to make the guns, ship, aircraft engines and all the rest. Like I said beforem you do not make a gun out of oil, you make it out of steel. Just as important a resource that was removed from trade with Japan was rubber. Without rubber, all the oil in the world would of not done the japanese any good. Rubber for tires, hoses, and a host of other things needed. During the war the US actually had oil shortages and was importing oil and rubber.

I see someone failed to educate you on history. Which is a shame. If you had the education you would of realized that solar and wind are doomed for failure.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#30894 Jun 21, 2012
PHDumbo wrote:
Your[sic] the same[comma] less thaen[sic][a] box of rocks. Don't you know anyhting[sic]?
SEE WINF=D[sic] MILLS RULKE[sic] AGAIN!!!!
Whatever it is you're taking, I suggest you consult an emergency vet, quickly.
I Am DIGITAP

Los Angeles, CA

#30895 Jun 21, 2012
mememine69 wrote:
<quoted text>They control the weather now? Do you dance at the moon and sacrifice squirrels to please the angry weather gods too? Evil corporations are changing the weather now. Too funny!
If you think that's funny you should see how many of them caught H.I.V. and died when their church started calling

MEDICAL SCIENCE

a bunch of DENIERS

and they S.T.I.L.L.- 40 M.I.L.L.I.O.N. DEAD LATER

take ZERO responsibility for the cherch of whoring's

death toll.
Northie

Puyallup, WA

#30896 Jun 21, 2012
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, and what was Japan buying from the US, steel. Steel to make the guns, ship, aircraft engines and all the rest. Like I said beforem you do not make a gun out of oil, you make it out of steel. Just as important a resource that was removed from trade with Japan was rubber. Without rubber, all the oil in the world would of not done the japanese any good. Rubber for tires, hoses, and a host of other things needed. During the war the US actually had oil shortages and was importing oil and rubber.
I see someone failed to educate you on history. Which is a shame. If you had the education you would of realized that solar and wind are doomed for failure.
Your reading of history is as deficient as your reading of science. Roosevelt embargoed industrial goods to Japan in an escalating series of steps beginning in 1939 when the 1911 Commercial Treaty was cancelled, rising in July 1940 with the Export Control Act, which cut off steel, aviation gasoline and lubricating oils. But crude oil exports to Japan were not cut off until July 26, 1941, because the Administration correctly assumed that would precipitate war, which it did, as oil was by far the most important commodity to the Japanese. http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.a...

Similarly, Hitler's drive across Russia had two primary goals, both oil-related: access to Russia's Caspian Sea oil fields and protection of Romania's Ploesti oil works; the latter were Germany's primary oil source from 1940 onward, and were vulnerable to Russian attack. Steel was already secured, both from within the Reich and from Sweden.

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