Boone Police Shoot Knife Wielding Man

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Police in Boone shot and killed a supermarket worker who witnesses say was walking up and down isles slashing merchandise with a knife. Full Story

Since: Aug 10

West Des Moines, IA

#84 Oct 27, 2010
COP wrote:
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SO STUPID LADY that only sane people threating cop need shot and the mentally ill people can threaten a cop and the cops are to DO WHAT
Wow, I hope that you're not really a cop.
former dispatcher

Conrad, IA

#85 Oct 27, 2010
Boone Citizen wrote:
Regarding the 911 tapes released.
After listening it is clear that the operators need a bit more training. I'm not sure if this is Boone, or if the 911 services are dispatched out to another location.
Regardless, the callers were not very articulate of the problem either. There wasn't a sense of urgency in any of the callers voices so it makes you wonder how "crazy" Beals was behaving.
Again, this is simply tragic. The bottom line is that Beals was acting irrational, wielding a knife and destroying property. When advised to put down the knife he refused. It's unknown how he was behaving in front of the officer but the man simply challenged a system and lost his life because of it.
I don't think anyone is at fault here. I do believe there will be a discovery for rooms for improvement. My heart goes out to the parents (if they are still living) for they lost a son. And that's very very sad.
People react differently to emergency situations. Some will be completely calm while others will be screaming. You cannot judge from that. If you listen, he is in a completely different location than where this person was. Didn't even have a visual so in reality, how can he be excitable or urgent?
former dispatcher

Conrad, IA

#86 Oct 27, 2010
WAG wrote:
I heard part of that call on the Five O'clock news. What a joke. That guy could have killed 3 people before the 911 Operation decided it was a real call. Pathetic!!!
If you listen closely the dispatcher was sending the officers. The traffic to the officer was not included in the released traffic. The little sound clicks is her talking to the officers. It's pathetic that you are judging without knowing.
former dispatcher

Conrad, IA

#87 Oct 27, 2010
NWSideLady wrote:
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Wow, I hope that you're not really a cop.
Actually he is right. All you have said though your entire comments is that mentally ill people should have the acception. You have no clue at all.

Since: Aug 10

West Des Moines, IA

#88 Oct 27, 2010
former dispatcher wrote:
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Actually he is right. All you have said though your entire comments is that mentally ill people should have the acception. You have no clue at all.
Pretty sure I never said "acception". Do you mean exception? No, I don't think they should be an exception just handled with more care. Cop called me stupid for my opinion. That was real mature of him/her.
BIGREDIOWAN

Des Moines, IA

#89 Oct 27, 2010
CJj wrote:
You only ever fire your weapon to kill someone people... you never never never never fire to hurt someone....get it straight......Everyone is trained that way including myself. you only should ever ever fire to kill. Enough Said.
No, you don't fire your weapon to kill someone or injure someone. You were trained to use deadly force to stop the threat. You were taught to shoot center mass, at no time were you trained to kill. You were trained to stop the threat. Yes, I'm a police officer, I'm also a firearms instructor. If while stopping that threat, the subject dies, then that's part of the use of the deadly force. It's called deadly force due to what can reasonably happen to the person upon using that force. When you fire a weapon at someone it's reasonable to say that they will end up dying from your actions. It doesn't always happen though as we've seen through other police shootings. The Iowa Law Enforcement Academy has never said, "you shoot to kill." They've always said, "you shoot to stop the threat."
As for those of you that are asking why officers don't just shoot him in the leg or something. In a stressful situation, the officers shooting ability goes down. He/she is taught to aim for the largest part of the body, center mass. This gives the officer the best chance of striking the individual, thus stopping the threat in someway, hopefully. If the officer is taught to shoot in the leg or some other target on the body, the officer is set up for failure. By the time they are done aiming at an area, firing, missing, firing again, they are dead. Our goal is to go home at the end of our shifts. We have families too, sometimes I think citizens forget that. We are here to protect and serve, but we will do what we have to protect ourselves and our fellow brothers and sisters as well. Sometimes that requires making split-second decisions that all of you have hours and days to tear apart and make your own untrained decisions on. If you don't think the officer is going through hell right now in his own right, then you are mistaken. I understand the family of this individual is going through hell as well, but he shouldn't have went into a grocery store, with a knife, and then refuse to put the knife down upon being ordered to and continued to advance the officer. Want me to post some pictures of what happens to an officer in a knife fight if he/she hesitates?
former dispatcher

Conrad, IA

#90 Oct 27, 2010
NWSideLady wrote:
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Pretty sure I never said "acception". Do you mean exception? No, I don't think they should be an exception just handled with more care. Cop called me stupid for my opinion. That was real mature of him/her.
You have absolutly no basis for your comments as you refuse to see something from another side. Thank you for fixing my typo. I don't think he is calling your stupid for your opinion, just complete lack of understanding. If there is a split second, do you think they are going to take the time to figure out all of the options? What if he was on meth. What if that was the cause for his mental instability? Do you know? Were you there? Do you have the inside information? I sure dont.
Boone Citizen

Urbandale, IA

#91 Oct 27, 2010
former dispatcher wrote:
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People react differently to emergency situations. Some will be completely calm while others will be screaming. You cannot judge from that. If you listen, he is in a completely different location than where this person was. Didn't even have a visual so in reality, how can he be excitable or urgent?
There is a man with a knife acting erratically. Let's define "excitable". That doesn't mean "screaming", or "frantic", but this guy could barely give information. Perhaps he was rattled.

I'm just saying that when you call 911, you need to give INFORMATION. While I feel the dispatcher may need a bit more training as she was easily distracted with the number of calls coming in, she was "pulling" information out of this man, who didn't appear to be so overwhelmed with what was going on, but could barely give any information.

How about, "Hey, there's a man in the store, with a knife, cutting up everything in the meat department." PERIOD! What about saying THAT?

Since: Aug 10

West Des Moines, IA

#92 Oct 27, 2010
former dispatcher wrote:
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You have absolutly no basis for your comments as you refuse to see something from another side. Thank you for fixing my typo. I don't think he is calling your stupid for your opinion, just complete lack of understanding. If there is a split second, do you think they are going to take the time to figure out all of the options? What if he was on meth. What if that was the cause for his mental instability? Do you know? Were you there? Do you have the inside information? I sure dont.
So my lack of understanding makes me stupid. Ok. Sorry I have a problem with deadly force. No, I've never been in that situation. I'm so stupid that I didn't think that this man needed to die. I could be wrong. NO ONE is infallible.
Boone Citizen

Urbandale, IA

#93 Oct 27, 2010
BIGREDIOWAN wrote:
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No, you don't fire your weapon to kill someone or injure someone. You were trained to use deadly force to stop the threat. You were taught to shoot center mass, at no time were you trained to kill. You were trained to stop the threat. Yes, I'm a police officer, I'm also a firearms instructor.
THANK YOU for taking the time to share this information. I think it's important that people back off of the officer that answered the call of duty that day. The man was going about his day, when he was thrown into a crisis situation. No amount of training can prepare you for the unknown. While police officers have more experience then the average citizen when dealing with erratic behavior, it doesn't mean they can understand it.
He made a split second decision to "stop the threat" with deadly force, or to try something else. He apparently DID try to avoid deadly force prior to drawing his weapon. I'm sure the situation was escalating, and he did what he had to do.
As someone said in an earlier post, I have no doubt the officer is going through his own hell. He will have forever etched in his mind, the image of a dying man, that he killed. He will have to live with what happened. Gerald Beals created chaos, and then is relieved from his pain, while others have to live with the trauma that took place that day.
former dispatcher

Conrad, IA

#94 Oct 27, 2010
Boone Citizen wrote:
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There is a man with a knife acting erratically. Let's define "excitable". That doesn't mean "screaming", or "frantic", but this guy could barely give information. Perhaps he was rattled.
I'm just saying that when you call 911, you need to give INFORMATION. While I feel the dispatcher may need a bit more training as she was easily distracted with the number of calls coming in, she was "pulling" information out of this man, who didn't appear to be so overwhelmed with what was going on, but could barely give any information.
How about, "Hey, there's a man in the store, with a knife, cutting up everything in the meat department." PERIOD! What about saying THAT?
It sounded as if he wasn't even in the same location. Did I hear a different recording than you? He was on a different floor for that matter. Is he supposed to know exactly what is going on? Most likely another employee had asked him to call.

Yes, if you are calling 911 and have all of the details then yes, you need to give the information immediatly. A dispatcher shouldn't have to pull it out of you.
former dispatcher

Conrad, IA

#95 Oct 27, 2010
NWSideLady wrote:
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So my lack of understanding makes me stupid. Ok. Sorry I have a problem with deadly force. No, I've never been in that situation. I'm so stupid that I didn't think that this man needed to die. I could be wrong. NO ONE is infallible.
I think you need to take the time to read what BIGREDIOWAN wrote and educate yourself a bit.
DSM Native

Urbandale, IA

#96 Oct 27, 2010
NWSideLady wrote:
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So my lack of understanding makes me stupid. Ok. Sorry I have a problem with deadly force. No, I've never been in that situation. I'm so stupid that I didn't think that this man needed to die. I could be wrong. NO ONE is infallible.
I have been following the discussion and wanted to comment. I agree there are "two" sides to everything. I see others commenting on both sides: The officer's decision to use deadly force to get the situation under control, the tragedy of a life lost.

I don't read from you however, two sides. I read your advocacy for the restraint of deadly force in this situation. You have a right to your opinion. But there is, in your posts, criticism without merit or fact, that the officer made a "bad" decision, or an "unnecessary" action.

If you truly believe there are two sides, the perhaps allowing the investigation to happen, and facts to come out would be more beneficial to the discussion. A life was lost, and while tragic, many more could have been lost. It is known only by those that stood inside those doors, and witnessed his actions as to the need. Not one witness has said, he didn't need to die. Perhaps we should respect their judgement.

Since: Aug 10

West Des Moines, IA

#97 Oct 27, 2010
At least the Boone cop didn't use deadly force on the 11 year old who had a gun. Sounds like he certainly should have according to the posters here.

Since: Aug 10

West Des Moines, IA

#98 Oct 27, 2010
I also have a problem with cops tasing someone at the drop of a hat. I know I'm stupid and crazy. I don't mean to disparage the police. It just seems that they are not the type of officers that I grew up around. My stepfather was a cop in Arizona. He left the force because he was derided for not being tough enough on perpetrators. I think that he really wanted to help people but that isn't what he was supposed to do according to the majority of his co-workers. I thought that it was sad.
Shocked Responder

Urbandale, IA

#99 Oct 27, 2010
I agree with DSM Native.

The people that experienced the situation are the only people that really have the right to "judge" the actions of those involved.

I think some are confusing the difference between advocating for lethal force and accepting that lethal force was necessary.

I'm not an advocate of lethal force, however, I want to live in a safe world. A man, a knife, slicing & dicing, screaming and shouting, defying other weapons used to stop him means that maybe, lethal force was the only way to stop him from hurting others.

I wasn't there. I don't know. But I have to have a little faith and trust in law enforcement, that they did what they "thought" was right. An investigation will be done.

Is our justice system corrupt. Of course, but we have the right and power to fight that too. For right now, all we can do is let those who process the crime scene, do their job.

Let's not forget their are victims that "lived" through it. My heart goes out to the officer and his family and all those people that lived through this experience. I'm sure this is equally a hard time for them.
former dispatcher

Conrad, IA

#100 Oct 27, 2010
NWSideLady wrote:
At least the Boone cop didn't use deadly force on the 11 year old who had a gun. Sounds like he certainly should have according to the posters here.
Your comments are asinine. Again, read what BIGREDIOWAN has to say before you continue to make unfounded, judgemental, and onesided comments.
Boone Citizen

Urbandale, IA

#101 Oct 27, 2010
How quickly we move on.

In just a mere hour, this story went from front page news (online) to now under "more news". lol. What took it's place? More political nonsense!

You have to LOVE our society, right?
former dispatcher

Conrad, IA

#102 Oct 27, 2010
DSM Native wrote:
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I have been following the discussion and wanted to comment. I agree there are "two" sides to everything. I see others commenting on both sides: The officer's decision to use deadly force to get the situation under control, the tragedy of a life lost.
I don't read from you however, two sides. I read your advocacy for the restraint of deadly force in this situation. You have a right to your opinion. But there is, in your posts, criticism without merit or fact, that the officer made a "bad" decision, or an "unnecessary" action.
If you truly believe there are two sides, the perhaps allowing the investigation to happen, and facts to come out would be more beneficial to the discussion. A life was lost, and while tragic, many more could have been lost. It is known only by those that stood inside those doors, and witnessed his actions as to the need. Not one witness has said, he didn't need to die. Perhaps we should respect their judgement.
Brilliant
Boone Citizen

Urbandale, IA

#103 Oct 27, 2010
NWSideLady wrote:
I also have a problem with cops tasing someone at the drop of a hat. I know I'm stupid and crazy. I don't mean to disparage the police. It just seems that they are not the type of officers that I grew up around. My stepfather was a cop in Arizona. He left the force because he was derided for not being tough enough on perpetrators. I think that he really wanted to help people but that isn't what he was supposed to do according to the majority of his co-workers. I thought that it was sad.
How do you help people who don't want to help themselves? Most of the people police encounter are with people who don't respect themselves, let alone any the law or even others.

Perhaps your stepfather would have served the public better as a parole officer or in a prison where there are people who actually want to try to reform their lives and get on the right track.

What bothers me the most is that you keep placing Gerald Beals II as the only "victim" here. He was a victim of his own actions. Some may call that accountability. You wave a knife at the police, you have a chance of being shot or killed.

I am very saddened that he lost his life whether he was mentally ill or not, he died. But I have more empathy for the "victims" who were FORCED to endure the ordeal caused by him. The officer who shot him. The employees who witnessed it and feared for their own life. The customers who found themselves fleeing out a back door. I don't read where you even think about all THOSE people!

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