MARRIAGE RALLIES: Two groups with dif...

MARRIAGE RALLIES: Two groups with different views on same-sex marri...

There are 85 comments on the WHOtv story from Aug 1, 2010, titled MARRIAGE RALLIES: Two groups with different views on same-sex marri.... In it, WHOtv reports that:

One of the big topics leading up to November is gay marriage and the prospect of a constitutional amendment to define marriage in Iowa.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at WHOtv.

Fair-minded

Dubuque, IA

#63 Aug 5, 2010
Outraged wrote:
I remember going into a chat room about the Harry Potter books years ago and some pervert was on the site saying it wasn’t anybody else’s business if he chose to show love to his children by having sex with them. We are setting up a dangerous platform here by saying the gay life style is a natural lifestyle. More and more people are going to come forth and say they ought to be able to be married to/have sex with children, have several wives, marry their pets, etc. In the case of the children you are taking away their rights.
That is one of the biggest lies I've ever heard. Most of the people who are pedophiles are married and straight males. Ditto for bestiality and multiple wives.. almost all are straight and married males. Those are facts. Do you research. Oh by the way, why were you trolling harry potter chat rooms? YUCK!
Fair-minded

Dubuque, IA

#64 Aug 5, 2010
Thetruth wrote:
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Thank you for speaking the truth. Those that don't support gay marriage know the damage it can cause in people's lives and just want the best for them and on the broader scale we want the best for our country and world. This is what love is, wanting what is best for these people and caring what happens to them. There is nothing hateful about this. I get tired of people refering to sex as love. Sometimes sex is used as a way of expressing love, but too often it is just a lustful act. The act of sex should not be used as a Civil Rights issue.
Sex shouldn't be a civil rights issue. But when you limit marriage to "male and female" only it turns sex into a civil right issue. You'd ban marriage and then ban sex between all but "male and female" by using the marriage ban as proof.

When you make marriage a lawful civil union between 2 people regardless of sex, color, etc... you've just removed sex from being a civil rights issue. In a way, it seems that you are confused.

“Love thy neighbor!”

Since: Dec 06

Westland , MI

#65 Aug 5, 2010
Iowa Taxpayer wrote:
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I can't agree more. Chet Culvers days are numbered in office. TB will make sure we have our right to vote. Our actions at the ballot box will speak much louder than these words. That's why the gay community wants to block the vote. They know the vast majority does not and will not allow this to continue. Culver is only using the gays for votes in his election. Even if he would win, it still goes to the voters in 2014. Either way we will vote and end this charade.
It is unconstitutional to vote on rights for a select group of citizens. You do not have the right, in this country, to decide my rights.
whodoyouthinyoua re

Des Moines, IA

#66 Aug 5, 2010
Outraged wrote:
There is suppose to be a poll on this website for me to voice my opinion. This is why I longed onto the WHO site. However, I am unable to locate it so I still am not able to vote so that my voice will be heard. This why I am commenting here.
You have to be kidding me. This is not a CHOICE! If it was, why would they want to be harassed and hurt in such terrible ways? I would never wanna wake up and be like "I wanna be gay today." Re-evaluate your statement. I feel as if I am more educated than you. You make remarks like this, but you have NOTHING to back them up.
Steve

Des Moines, IA

#67 Aug 5, 2010
It's too bad there has to be so much hate.

1. Being Gay is NOT A CHOICE. If you disagree, well you haven't done the lengthy research at a collegiate level that I have. Half of you "haters" that made a generic comment against Same-Sex Marriage probably couldn't wrap your head around anything I could say. You all make comments, but you have nothing to reinforce your ideas.

2. Groups and people have fought through hardships like this since the beginning of man. Blacks weren't treated like the average human, but America has seen how wrong they were. We have a Black President today. Mormons were once hated upon and chased out of cities. Now these Mormons are chasing the gays today. Indians were pushed out of their territory, because others felt superior. Now they have giant money making business, CASINOS. Until you feel what it is like to be laughed at and teased, you will continue to be hateful. There will be a day when America will weep over these terrible issue that shouldn't even be happening. We have bigger things then trying to control who somebody loves.

3. THIS SHOULDN'T BE YOUR PROBLEM!!!!!! Some of you adults think that if it is okay for same-sex marriage then we have to "teach or children that it is okay." NO YOU DON'T!!!!!!!!!! If you want to be adult that shelters your children, then do so. It's ridiculous how much we must "cuddle" our children these days. They will never make it life... it will be too easy.

4. GROW UP!!! If you haven't already. SAME-SEX MARRIAGE should be more highlighted, because your straight people seem to be getting divorce at a pretty fast rate... sorry you aren't happy with your love life, so you have to ruin it for people that know true love...? HA almost humorous... wait it is!!!!
Steve

Evansdale, IA

#68 Aug 5, 2010
Hey "Pagan" so you're proud to be on God's bad side?...Okay... Anyway I suppose you'll say homosexuality is natural then? How does that fit into 'survival of the fittest'?

“Down To Earth”

Since: Apr 07

Indianapolis

#69 Aug 5, 2010
Steve wrote:
Hey "Pagan" so you're proud to be on God's bad side?...Okay... Anyway I suppose you'll say homosexuality is natural then? How does that fit into 'survival of the fittest'?
Does it matter? Even if you were presented with irrefutable evidence you would still desperately cling to your bigotry.

You're just not worth the time or effort.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#70 Aug 6, 2010
Steve wrote:
Hey "Pagan" so you're proud to be on God's bad side?...Okay... Anyway I suppose you'll say homosexuality is natural then? How does that fit into 'survival of the fittest'?
Who's "God"? Not mine.
Yeah, as it's found IN nature it is Natural.
Survival of the Fittest? Other than benefiting the group by providing a worker to help with survival that probably won't be adding an additional burden on the group by bringing more mouths to feed into the equation?
Iowa Taxpayer

United States

#71 Aug 6, 2010
Pagan and Proud wrote:
<quoted text>And that really depends on what the Judge has to say about it, Prop 8 Supporters thought the same thing.....
You make a good point, but that's not over yet either.
Iowa Taxpayer

United States

#72 Aug 6, 2010
Gay Mom wrote:
<quoted text>
It is unconstitutional to vote on rights for a select group of citizens. You do not have the right, in this country, to decide my rights.
You have a right to be gay in this country. You have a right to vote. In the end it is the will of the people of the State of Iowa that will determine if gay people can marry. Your (gay community) biggest downfall will be politicians while your only hope is judges. Agreed?

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#73 Aug 6, 2010
Iowa Taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text>
You make a good point, but that's not over yet either.
No it isn't over yet but the actual point of the entire proceeding is that issues of Civil Rights should never have been voted on in the first place, they should be thoroughly examined and decided through the Judicial process, not subject to a "popular vote". No Right in this country has ever been won simply by asking for it, there has always been a fight and in every single case, once the rights have been acknowledged those who opposed it have been seen as the oppressors and the opponents of the Freedom our country is supposed to stand for. This time is no different, the details vary, the bigotry that opposes the change remains the same.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#74 Aug 6, 2010
Iowa Taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text>
You have a right to be gay in this country. You have a right to vote. In the end it is the will of the people of the State of Iowa that will determine if gay people can marry. Your (gay community) biggest downfall will be politicians while your only hope is judges. Agreed?
And the "will of the people" changes as society changes, we see how and where the slave owners are viewed by history as compared to the abolitionists, we even know how George Wallace with his "Segregation Now, Segregation forever" speech is remembered, while the specifics of the events change, the core reasons behind them, the intolerance and bigotry remain the exact same, just focused on a different group. How do YOU want to be known and remembered in 100 years time?
Iowa Taxpayer

United States

#75 Aug 6, 2010
Steve wrote:
It's too bad there has to be so much hate.
1. Being Gay is NOT A CHOICE. If you disagree, well you haven't done the lengthy research at a collegiate level that I have. Half of you "haters" that made a generic comment against Same-Sex Marriage probably couldn't wrap your head around anything I could say. You all make comments, but you have nothing to reinforce your ideas.
2. Groups and people have fought through hardships like this since the beginning of man. Blacks weren't treated like the average human, but America has seen how wrong they were. We have a Black President today. Mormons were once hated upon and chased out of cities. Now these Mormons are chasing the gays today. Indians were pushed out of their territory, because others felt superior. Now they have giant money making business, CASINOS. Until you feel what it is like to be laughed at and teased, you will continue to be hateful. There will be a day when America will weep over these terrible issue that shouldn't even be happening. We have bigger things then trying to control who somebody loves.
3. THIS SHOULDN'T BE YOUR PROBLEM!!!!!! Some of you adults think that if it is okay for same-sex marriage then we have to "teach or children that it is okay." NO YOU DON'T!!!!!!!!!! If you want to be adult that shelters your children, then do so. It's ridiculous how much we must "cuddle" our children these days. They will never make it life... it will be too easy.
4. GROW UP!!! If you haven't already. SAME-SEX MARRIAGE should be more highlighted, because your straight people seem to be getting divorce at a pretty fast rate... sorry you aren't happy with your love life, so you have to ruin it for people that know true love...? HA almost humorous... wait it is!!!!
Wow...Steve...you are so smart I almost couldn't comprehend what you were trying to say, but I'll try to respond.
Nobody is enslaving gays or caring what color their skin is.
Nobody is questioning their faith.
Nobody is declaring war on them for land.
Nobody is giving them money to build casinos because we took that land from them.
The children my wife and I raised are doing very well, that is, coming from a straight marriage.
You and others of your kind push the issue that divorce only happens in straight marriage. Now consider how high the divorce rate will go if the gays are allowed to marry. You or I don't know the numbers because we haven't got that far yet...well maybe you already know because you are so smart you can see into the future.
Iowa Taxpayer

United States

#76 Aug 6, 2010
Pagan and Proud wrote:
<quoted text>And the "will of the people" changes as society changes, we see how and where the slave owners are viewed by history as compared to the abolitionists, we even know how George Wallace with his "Segregation Now, Segregation forever" speech is remembered, while the specifics of the events change, the core reasons behind them, the intolerance and bigotry remain the exact same, just focused on a different group. How do YOU want to be known and remembered in 100 years time?
I think comparing same sex marriage to slavery is like comparing apples to oranges. Slavery needed ended. Segregation was an end result of slavery which needed ended. Nobody is saying people can not be gay. This is about marriage. Yes, in 100 years I want to be remembered as a person the had my opinion of marriage being one man and one woman, having children together and raising a family. There will not, in my lifetime, be a same sex couple that will have a child together by biological birth. If that day would come while I am alive then I would possibly support same sex marriage.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#77 Aug 6, 2010
Iowa Taxpayer wrote:
You or I don't know the numbers because we haven't got that far yet...well maybe you already know because you are so smart you can see into the future.
Or we could look at the Statistics for MA who have had Gay Marriage over 5 Years now and see that it doesn't equal that same statistics for heterosexuals married in the same time frame....

OR we could actually be realistic about it and acknowledge the fact that one couple's divorce does not belittle or lessen the importance of another's successful marriage....but that would make the sanctimonious rant appear petty and we can't have that now can we?
Iowa Taxpayer

United States

#78 Aug 6, 2010
Pagan and Proud wrote:
<quoted text>Or we could look at the Statistics for MA who have had Gay Marriage over 5 Years now and see that it doesn't equal that same statistics for heterosexuals married in the same time frame....
OR we could actually be realistic about it and acknowledge the fact that one couple's divorce does not belittle or lessen the importance of another's successful marriage....but that would make the sanctimonious rant appear petty and we can't have that now can we?
Point taken. How do you conclude the MA stats when so many people came from afar to marry in that state then went back to their home state? The strings are still dangling as to what kind of legal mess this has created. Who is together and who is not. There are no reliable gay divorce rates worldwide, as not all counties keep track of which divorce filings are from heterosexual and homosexual couples. In Massachusetts, it took gay couples two months to apply for divorce after gay marriage was legalized.

“I will not go quietly.”

Since: Feb 07

Indianapolis Indiana

#79 Aug 6, 2010
Iowa Taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text>Point taken. How do you conclude the MA stats when so many people came from afar to marry in that state then went back to their home state? The strings are still dangling as to what kind of legal mess this has created. Who is together and who is not. There are no reliable gay divorce rates worldwide, as not all counties keep track of which divorce filings are from heterosexual and homosexual couples. In Massachusetts, it took gay couples two months to apply for divorce after gay marriage was legalized.
And it took Brittany Spears 72 hours to file for an annulment after her wedding, which still makes no issue about those who have succeeded in their marriage. As far as the "Out of State" marriages, the exact same could be said of Heterosexual marriages, how many married in MA and divorced later within their Home State, which wouldn't show up on MA records.....seems those strings dangle there too and would skew any statistics, but I don't hear of any complaining about that.
As I said earlier a divorce by one couple does not belittle the successful marriage of another. As far as making it a Numbers game, would it have been OK if only ONE person had been held as a slave in the Colonies? Would it be OK to deny only ONE person the right to vote based only on their gender, color of their skin, or religion? When does it become OK to ignore just ONE as compared to knowing the difference that it would make in their life to be included? Numbers are cold, impersonal, statistical, and overall reduce the humanity of a situation reducing us to marks on a page. I don't know about you but I like to think I am more than that.

Since: Aug 10

Des Moines, IA

#80 Aug 6, 2010
Iowa Taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow...Steve...you are so smart I almost couldn't comprehend what you were trying to say, but I'll try to respond.
Nobody is enslaving gays or caring what color their skin is.
Nobody is questioning their faith.
Nobody is declaring war on them for land.
Nobody is giving them money to build casinos because we took that land from them.
You tell that to the people that were picked out and killed by others all because they were gay, like Matthew Shepard. You tell that to the teenagers that were bullied everyday in school.*Raises hand* Teenage suicide is one of the leading killers of teenagers behind MVAs.(If you'd like I can give you URL to statistics) Gay teenagers make up majority of those suicide numbers. This discrimination is all because of somthing that is NOT a choice.

I knew since I was five years old that I was different from my two other brothers. I knew that I didn't meet majority norms. So when people say it's a choice, really? How much of a choice is it when it's not something I woke up one day and decided, "Hey I think I wanna be discriminated against today". I grew up in a conservative baptist home. I know what the bible says about homosexuality. It was preached to me throughout my whole life. I read leviticus over and over.

I didn't come out to my parents until I was twenty, and in college out of fear of how cut off my parents will go. Thank God I have parents that love me no matter what. You want to talk about the hardest thing to do. Trust me if it was easy as turn my gay switch on and off , don't you think I would already so I wouldn't have to face my parents? So even though we're not getting casinos, or slaved; everyday is a war. A war to be accepted, not be bullied, not to be judge... just to be equal.
HAHAHA

Des Moines, IA

#81 Aug 6, 2010
You all are ridiculous!!! It will not effect your if same-sex marriage stays legal.... Economy, Iowa's Economy, would have a benefit of money coming in for the continuing of Same-sex couples to move to Iowa and have their weddings and life here. They are nice people and most of you judge on the "stereotypical" person.

and IowaTaxPayer, congratulations... we all pay taxes, straight people, gay people, bi people, etc. If you exempt them of their right to marry who they want, then they should be exempted for paying taxes in a state that doesn't give them their civil rights.

Love who you want.

“Love thy neighbor!”

Since: Dec 06

Westland , MI

#82 Aug 6, 2010
Iowa Taxpayer wrote:
<quoted text>
You have a right to be gay in this country. You have a right to vote. In the end it is the will of the people of the State of Iowa that will determine if gay people can marry. Your (gay community) biggest downfall will be politicians while your only hope is judges. Agreed?
Either the legislature, which makes the laws, the judges, who interpret the laws, or the executive (governor) who can give laws the thumbs up or thumbs down (just happened in Hawaii)will be the ones to determine the rights of homosexual American citizens. If I was a betting woman, I would bet that it does end up in the courts, and that it will have to endure Constitutional scrutiny.

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