Iowan Reaction To California's Prop 8 Ruling

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A federal judge ruled Wednesday that California's Proposition 8, which bans gay marriage, is unconstitutional -- a violation of rights under equal protection under the law. Full Story
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Bob

Des Moines, IA

#1 Aug 5, 2010
gay marriage and immigration is proving that we live under a tyranny of elites who only recognise actions of the people throught their state legislatures and congress when they agree with it

and they override it through the executive or judicial branches when they dont

of and for the people, has become a mirrage
Jill

Ankeny, IA

#2 Aug 5, 2010
Bob wrote:
gay marriage and immigration is proving that we live under a tyranny of elites who only recognise actions of the people throught their state legislatures and congress when they agree with it
and they override it through the executive or judicial branches when they dont
of and for the people, has become a mirrage
I am sure some bigots felt the same way during the Civil Rights movement in the '60s.
Fair-minded

Albany, GA

#3 Aug 5, 2010
Bob wrote:
gay marriage and immigration is proving that we live under a tyranny of elites who only recognise actions of the people throught their state legislatures and congress when they agree with it
and they override it through the executive or judicial branches when they dont
of and for the people, has become a mirrage
You sound like a child attempting to speak like a doctor. There are typos and spelling errors as well as misinformation. The power does rest with the people since WE are the ones who elected those politicians and judges. The ball is always in our court. The City Council pay scandal in Bell, California is one example. Gay marriage and immigration are not related and the only they prove is that most americans don't want to compromise.
Jason

Pella, IA

#4 Aug 5, 2010
Didn't the people of California vote on Proposition 8?
Bob

Des Moines, IA

#5 Aug 5, 2010
Jill wrote:
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I am sure some bigots felt the same way during the Civil Rights movement in the '60s.
does your pony have any other tricks?
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#6 Aug 5, 2010
Bob wrote:
gay marriage and immigration is proving that we live under a tyranny of elites who only recognise actions of the people throught their state legislatures and congress when they agree with it
and they override it through the executive or judicial branches when they dont
of and for the people, has become a mirrage
Bob, hon; let me ask you a serious question
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When you were in the 8th grade in public school, were you enrolled in a mandatory class called "Civics"?
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.....and the next year after that, were you enrolled in an elective class called "American Government"?
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(I'm just wondering what they do in schools nowadays)
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thanks!
Connie

Ottumwa, IA

#7 Aug 5, 2010
Call it what they may, but it's not a "marriage". God instituted marriage and He ordained it to be only between a man and a woman. Sex between two men or two women (or between people and animals) is called SIN. God condemns these sin practices and will judge them in the end. It is our job to lovingly warn these sinners of their upcoming final judgment by God and NOT condone their sinful ways.

Matthew 19:4-6 -- "And He (Jesus) answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that He which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."

Romans 1:27,32 -- "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; MEN WITH MEN working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet... Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."
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Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#8 Aug 5, 2010
Jason wrote:
Didn't the people of California vote on Proposition 8?
Yes, they voted on an "initiative" called prop8 and passed it
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When an initiative passes, it is then put to a litmus test of legality; and in the case of prop8; it turned out to be in violation of the Constitution of the United States; a HUGE no-no
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In the future, take a look at the SOURCE for an initiative before you vote on it, and you will have better luck
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In the case of prop8, the SOURCE of the initiative was a group of superstitious anti-american sociopaths. THAT should have been a HUGE clue that something wasn't right about the initiative.
http://www.pbase.com/image/73285000
Thinking

Ocean View, DE

#9 Aug 5, 2010
Jason wrote:
Didn't the people of California vote on Proposition 8?
I think next we should vote on whether people named Jason should have the right to marry.
Fair-minded

Albany, GA

#10 Aug 5, 2010
Connie wrote:
Call it what they may, but it's not a "marriage". God instituted marriage and He ordained it to be only between a man and a woman. Sex between two men or two women (or between people and animals) is called SIN. God condemns these sin practices and will judge them in the end. It is our job to lovingly warn these sinners of their upcoming final judgment by God and NOT condone their sinful ways.
Matthew 19:4-6 -- "And He (Jesus) answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that He which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."
Romans 1:27,32 -- "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; MEN WITH MEN working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet... Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."
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Jesus wasn't discussing gay marriage in that passage. He was stating that marriage is a union of souls and that people should not interfere. The bible specifically states that the ONLY reason for male/female marriage is to produce children. Isn't there a part in the bible that says ONLY God can be the final judge? Sooo.. if you're judging people based on second hand info (which your Romans quote is), you're doing God's job for him. I think you need to pray long and hard for forgiveness.
the other bob

Ankeny, IA

#11 Aug 5, 2010
Jason wrote:
Didn't the people of California vote on Proposition 8?
Votes dont count in the Obamas america, only judges decisions.
Mr Horse

Des Moines, IA

#12 Aug 5, 2010
No sir, I dont like it
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#13 Aug 5, 2010
Jill wrote:
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I am sure some bigots felt the same way during the Civil Rights movement in the '60s.
I was a teenager during that time in history
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Several months AFTER the Feds struck down racial segregation, riots ensued when the public didn't respond to the new social order in a timely manner. City blocks were set ablaze and people were killed in the ensuing riots.
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The Feds called out the National Guard in armored vehicles; and armed with bayonett-equipped rifles; proceeded to restore law-and-order, and enforce the new laws
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I remember taking my lunch break at a nearby hamburger joint; where, unbeknownst to me; the races were dining together for the first time. I was escorted from my car into the restaurant by armed National Guardsmen; and then back to my car again when I finished my lunch
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Across the street from the restuarant; armored vehicles were lined up at the curb as far as the eye could see, and beyond that; city blocks were burning and I could hear gunfire. The fires blazed out of control for over a week; until the hate mongers and snipers finally got the message and retreated.
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I fully expect more of the same this time around. Civil Rights Equality is a hard pill to swallow for certain types of people
http://www.pbase.com/image/73285000
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Sad; but true
the other bob

Ankeny, IA

#14 Aug 5, 2010
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, they voted on an "initiative" called prop8 and passed it
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When an initiative passes, it is then put to a litmus test of legality; and in the case of prop8; it turned out to be in violation of the Constitution of the United States; a HUGE no-no
.
In the future, take a look at the SOURCE for an initiative before you vote on it, and you will have better luck
.
In the case of prop8, the SOURCE of the initiative was a group of superstitious anti-american sociopaths. THAT should have been a HUGE clue that something wasn't right about the initiative.
http://www.pbase.com/image/73285000
His ruling is flawed, he based it on his opinion that Prop 8 violated Due Process Clause which “protects individuals against arbitrary governmental intrusion into life, liberty or property,”
stating "Rather, the evidence shows that Proposition 8 harms the state’s interest in equality, because it mandates that men and women be treated differently based only on antiquated and discredited notions of gender."
Fact: Gender differences are real and the fact is we are treated differently because of it. See the millitary, cops, firemen, gender specific bathrooms ect... PT testing and requirements including afirmative action.
Now, that is not to say i am against 2 people who love each other from sharing a union with full benefits provided by traditional marrage buy by insiting it be called marrage and not going for civil unions it not only irritated opponets, it shows they do not want the same rights they want others to accept their world view by insisting on it being called marrage. Its like the Ground zero mosque, if they really want to show peace and foster understanding they would understand the location is "sacred" to US and have the desency to not build it there... and name it after an spanish muslim conquest.
the other bob

Ankeny, IA

#15 Aug 5, 2010
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
I was a teenager during that time in history
.
Several months AFTER the Feds struck down racial segregation, riots ensued when the public didn't respond to the new social order in a timely manner. City blocks were set ablaze and people were killed in the ensuing riots.
.
The Feds called out the National Guard in armored vehicles; and armed with bayonett-equipped rifles; proceeded to restore law-and-order, and enforce the new laws
.
I remember taking my lunch break at a nearby hamburger joint; where, unbeknownst to me; the races were dining together for the first time. I was escorted from my car into the restaurant by armed National Guardsmen; and then back to my car again when I finished my lunch
.
Across the street from the restuarant; armored vehicles were lined up at the curb as far as the eye could see, and beyond that; city blocks were burning and I could hear gunfire. The fires blazed out of control for over a week; until the hate mongers and snipers finally got the message and retreated.
.
I fully expect more of the same this time around. Civil Rights Equality is a hard pill to swallow for certain types of people
http://www.pbase.com/image/73285000
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Sad; but true
Comparing this to Civil rights is ratarded and diminishes what it was about and what it accomplished. When they turn the fire hoses on gays and start lynching them in number = to back then, have separate drinking fountains, ect.. then you might have a point
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#16 Aug 5, 2010
Connie wrote:
Call it what they may, but it's not a "marriage". God instituted marriage and He ordained it to be only between a man and a woman
Sweetheart; you're reading out of one of the fake bibles the fundamentalists changed, then put out beginning in September 1952. They deleted a boatload of scriptures to make room for the changes; so your bible isn't playing with the full deck
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The traditional Christian Bible makes these points about marriage:
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1. The souls of two people become knit as one
2. They make a covenant with God as their witness
3. They consummate their marriage
4. Their marriage is permanent until death they are parted
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Here are these same 4 points right out of the pre-1952 King James Bible:
__________
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1 Samuel 18:1> And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul.
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1 Samuel 18:3> Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. 18:4> And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.
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1 Samuel 20:41> And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded. 20:42> And Jonathan said to David, Go in peace, forasmuch as we have sworn both of us in the name of the LORD, saying, The LORD be between me and thee, and between my seed and thy seed for ever. And he arose and departed: and Jonathan went into the city.
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2 Samuel 1:25> How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! O Jonathan, thou wast slain in thine high places. 1:26> I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women
__________
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In today's society, God's principles of marriage; as parabled in first and second Samuel; can be successfully applied once they are understood by the participants; including you and your loved one
Crazy Bible Beaters

Manchester, IA

#17 Aug 5, 2010
Connie wrote:
Call it what they may, but it's not a "marriage". God instituted marriage and He ordained it to be only between a man and a woman. Sex between two men or two women (or between people and animals) is called SIN. God condemns these sin practices and will judge them in the end. It is our job to lovingly warn these sinners of their upcoming final judgment by God and NOT condone their sinful ways.
Matthew 19:4-6 -- "And He (Jesus) answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that He which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder."
Romans 1:27,32 -- "And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; MEN WITH MEN working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet... Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.""
I can marry spices in a pot of chili. Does that mean that when I do this god is going not let me into heaven?
If god is so judgemental of everything I'm not sure I want to be in "heaven" anyways.
David

Manchester, IA

#18 Aug 5, 2010
I thought we lived in a country where "The People" made the laws not the leftist extemist that happen to sit on a Bench.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#19 Aug 5, 2010
the other bob wrote:
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Comparing this to Civil rights is ratarded and diminishes what it was about and what it accomplished. When they turn the fire hoses on gays and start lynching them in number = to back then, have separate drinking fountains, ect.. then you might have a point
Sugarbooger; its not one bit different
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When I was a kid, parents kept their gay children drugged, and locked away in secret rooms so the church lady and the police wouldn't find out. If discovered, a gay kid would be castrated and locked away in an insane asylum.
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Sound familiar? Black peeps had to endure much of the same BS until the Supreme Court came to the rescue
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Hispanic people are the next targets of the white supremacists
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Hispanics are already being killed and imprisoned for no legitimate reason whatsoever except for racial hatred and outright redneck pomposity
http://www.pbase.com/image/73285000
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#20 Aug 5, 2010
David wrote:
I thought we lived in a country where "The People" made the laws not the leftist extemist that happen to sit on a Bench.
We have a system called "checks and balances" that you should have learned about in school
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As McCain would say; "do the Google" and check it out
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Incidentally, the Federal Judge in this case is a conservative Bush appointee with a long history for fairness and a good reputation for thorough investigation of all the facts and evidence before issuing decisions
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You haven't been watching closely; but the losing side of this particular court case offered NO EVIDENCE acceptable in a court of law
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How the heck could you expect them to win a Federal Lawsuit playing games like that?

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