Colo. Baker Who Refused Gay Wedding C...

Colo. Baker Who Refused Gay Wedding Cake Appears In Court

There are 148 comments on the Advocate story from Dec 5, 2013, titled Colo. Baker Who Refused Gay Wedding Cake Appears In Court. In it, Advocate reports that:

A bakery owner in Lakewood, Colo., appeared in court yesterday to defend himself against allegations that he discriminated against a gay couple last July when he refused to bake a cake for their wedding.

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DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#1 Dec 5, 2013
To all those who are supporting this guy based on "religious freedom" let me ask you which part of Romans should this guy obey?

Romans 1:26-27 (ESV)
"26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error."

or:

Romans 13:1-5 (ESV)

"13 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience."

I guess when it comes to States Rights, religious freedom trumps any law? Wow, guess that means we can start stoning folks in the village square, burning witches and dangerous books, and whatever else, all in the spirit of religious freedom.
Rudy

France

#2 Dec 5, 2013
I'm supporting him!

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#3 Dec 5, 2013
Rudy wrote:
I'm supporting him!
If that doesn't get this fool business owner/self-professed Christian to fall on his knees and beg for mercy from the court for his bad act, nothing will.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#4 Dec 5, 2013
Rudy wrote:
I'm supporting him!
No surprise there. Talk about entitlement issues!

You support someone who ignores the law:

(Romans 13:1-5)
English Standard Version
Submission to the Authorities

"13 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, 4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience."

Guess you folks only use the Bible to justify ignoring most of it's message.

(Forgiveness and compassion for others.)
(Self examination rather than judging others)

So if I whip you in front of your temple for practising heresy, you'd be fine with that since I'm simply exercising my religious freedom just as this guy did? After all if you refuse to sell me the right stuff to obtain absolution from God, aren't you thwarting God's will?

Tell ya what. Ignore the questions I raised and just continue to be the sad excuse for a decent person your Mom and I both know you to be. She and I accept you for who you are.

Too bad you can't do the same.
Gremlin

Louisville, KY

#5 Dec 5, 2013
At least this baker has been exposed publicly as a bigot. Hopefully gays and lesbians will avoid doing any business with this a**hole.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#6 Dec 5, 2013
If the court rules that he can discriminate against LGBT people because of his religious beliefs, then by that logic he can discriminate against Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and anyone who is not a Christian or anyone who is not following his particular version of Christianity.

I believe that the judge should rule, and probably will rule, that he cannot legally discriminate against LGBT people.

Now if he doesn't like that ruling, then he should not have gone into a business which serves the general public.
Gremlin

Louisville, KY

#7 Dec 6, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
If the court rules that he can discriminate against LGBT people because of his religious beliefs, then by that logic he can discriminate against Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, and anyone who is not a Christian or anyone who is not following his particular version of Christianity.
I believe that the judge should rule, and probably will rule, that he cannot legally discriminate against LGBT people.
Now if he doesn't like that ruling, then he should not have gone into a business which serves the general public.
I agree. These hypocrite "christians" need to realize this is the 21st century, and God is love, not hate.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#10 Dec 7, 2013
Disgusted wrote:
Where can I send money to help pay for an appeal ?
Do you believe that law-abiding Americans should have to wonder if they will be served in a licensed place of business? A public accommodation?

I can't imaging you would like to enter a shop and ask for service, only to find out that the owners "don't serve your kind".

But then, bigots are often hypocrites, aren't they?
Gremlin

Louisville, KY

#11 Dec 7, 2013
Disgusted wrote:
Where can I send money to help pay for an appeal ?
Why don't you save up your money for a brain transplant?

“Equality marches on! ”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#15 Dec 7, 2013
Gremlin wrote:
<quoted text>Why don't you save up your money for a brain transplant?
Or a great big ole gay wedding cake!
Gremlin

Louisville, KY

#16 Dec 7, 2013
Disgusted wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, you are the one that has a brain/organ or gender dysfunction issue .
LOL! I'm happy, glad, and proud to be a gay man. You, on the other hand, are just an insignificant bigot.....you claim to hate gays, but can't stay away from the gay forum. Feel free to take your problem someplace else.
Gremlin

Louisville, KY

#19 Dec 7, 2013
Disgusted wrote:
<quoted text>
It says "Colo. Baker"
I think you're in the wrong place but that's where homosexuals dicks usually end up don't they .
In the wrong place !
Yes, the topic is about the baker, a bigoted POS like yourself. But you idiots obviously think the topic of EVERY thread is about insulting gays. GTFO the gay forum if you can't stay on the subject of a thread.
Gremlin

Louisville, KY

#20 Dec 7, 2013
Disgusted wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh yeah like that's going to hurt , LOL !
Everything was going fine until they wanted shit brown frosting .
I didn't say gays not doing business with the baker would ruin his business. I meant that no self respecting gay person should do business with a homophobe. Dumb*ss.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#21 Dec 7, 2013
Gremlin wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, the topic is about the baker, a bigoted POS like yourself. But you idiots obviously think the topic of EVERY thread is about insulting gays. GTFO the gay forum if you can't stay on the subject of a thread.
Why don't you and others just ignore people like this ? I think you only encourage them by responding to them.

Just ignore them completely, pretend they don't exist, and when they see that they get no reactions to their provocations, they will eventually tire and just go away.
hidden agenda

Clarksburg, WV

#26 Dec 7, 2013
So let me get this straight. A man owns a bakery and tells a gay couple he won't make their wedding cake? Where is the problem? They just want attention or cause drama. Go find a homosexual baker. Is that a big deal? It's his business. It would be different if he said he wouldn't hire if gay. That's discrimination.
I feel this is a waste of govt and local official time and our tax paying monies.
Would you expect a Muslim baker to bake a Christians wedding cake? I wouldn't! I'm realistic.
Get over yourselves and quit throwing it in straight couples faces and lives.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#27 Dec 7, 2013
Disgusted wrote:
Where can I send money to help pay for an appeal ?
You can either send it to the Alliance Defending Freedom, or flush it right down your toilet, for all the good it will do him.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#28 Dec 7, 2013
Disgusted wrote:
Lets say you own/run "A public accommodation"
Pedophilia isn't a suspect classification of someone under discrimination laws, moron. End of silly argument.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#29 Dec 7, 2013
hidden agenda wrote:
So let me get this straight. A man owns a bakery and tells a gay couple he won't make their wedding cake? Where is the problem?
By doing so the bakery has just committed an illegal act of discrimination. You might not think that a problem, but for folk who are discriminated against in the public square like that, it is a problem.
hidden agenda wrote:
They just want attention or cause drama.
No, they simply wanted this business owner to respect and abide by the laws as written.
hidden agenda wrote:
Go find a homosexual baker. Is that a big deal? It's his business. It would be different if he said he wouldn't hire if gay. That's discrimination.
I feel this is a waste of govt and local official time and our tax paying monies.
it really is simple, it's a shame that you aren't able to get it. The simple fact of the matter is that under the laws of the great state of Colorado, gay folk have the same right to all goods and services on offer in places of public accommodation as straight folk, whether someone believes God approves or not. There was no "we don't do same sex wedding cakes" sign in the window and this couple had gone to him based on his now miserable, but once good reputation. They went in in good faith and they got blindsided by his choice of personal bigotries. He broke the law and tried to blame God and to claim a special right under the law to be right b*st*rds to the gay folk if God says so.
hidden agenda wrote:
Would you expect a Muslim baker to bake a Christians wedding cake? I wouldn't! I'm realistic.
Obviously you are unaware of this, but that would not only violate every last state law on discrimination on the basis of religion, it would likely end up in federal charges as well. Most states offer no public accommodation protections to folk on the basis of sexual orientation, Colorado is just one of 13 states and DC (plus a number of municipalities in states without state laws), where showing the couple the door was a civil offense.
hidden agenda wrote:
Get over yourselves and quit throwing it in straight couples faces and lives.
The ONLY thing that got thrown in this heterosexual gentleman's face was a complaint filed under the state's human rights act and he earned it. What got thrown in this couple's face was this heterosexual gentleman's choice to be bigoted against their relationship to the point that he would be fool enough to violate the state's laws against such nonsense being thrown in a customer's face based on some sort of suspect classification of them. In those places where we don't have to take bigots flocking up our day, because they are of the dubious belief that some God is on their side, with a smile, don't expect us to. The laws exist, don't expect us to excuse your behavior just because there is someplace else for us to shop. You reap what you sew.
hidden agenda

Clarksburg, WV

#30 Dec 7, 2013
It's a shame this man was forced to make them a cake under no legal binding. It was their choice to walk into his store. I completely disagree with these ACLU laws. This happens to be an infringement on this mans religious freedom. Incredible that 13 state have defied our basic human rights and our religious freedoms. These gay men should be ashamed. Not for being homosexuals but for forcing it on others. I would hope nothing but the best for this bakery. You call it bigotry we call it faith. Just another black mark on the gay and lesbian community.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#32 Dec 7, 2013
hidden agenda wrote:
It's a shame this man was forced to make them a cake under no legal binding. It was their choice to walk into his store. I completely disagree with these ACLU laws. This happens to be an infringement on this mans religious freedom. Incredible that 13 state have defied our basic human rights and our religious freedoms. These gay men should be ashamed. Not for being homosexuals but for forcing it on others. I would hope nothing but the best for this bakery. You call it bigotry we call it faith. Just another black mark on the gay and lesbian community.
Religion is not a license to do crimes

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