Columbus 88029 Residents & Citizens New GrassRoots Movement

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“PJP88029 Founder”

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, NM

#1 Jan 4, 2012
pjp88029 - PajamaParty Organization of Columbus, NM & 880...

New Grassroots Movement/Organizat ion started in Columbus NM for Citizens & Residents of the Village of Columbus NM & surrounding 88029 area.

Access pjp88029 website via this link on the ColumBuzz Website: http://www.co lumbu snewmexico.com/vil lage_of_columbus_v illage_vote_pajama _party.htm

First Article & Call to Action for 88029 Residents & Citizens to be heard about is at a meeting being held this Saturday @ 2pm, Jan 07, 2012, a Public Hearing regarding The Tres Salsas Restaurant applying for a license to serve Beer & Wine.

Link to Article: http://www.co lumbu snewmexico.com/Paj ama_Party/pajama_p arty_012012_articl e.htm

Alcohol, Parks, Children, & Bus Stops; What a Mixed Drink for Disaster! January 01, 2012: pjp88029 by: Founder/klee

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Thank You fellow Columbus & 88029 Citizens & Residents; for taking the time to Write, Participate, Care, Think, Discuss, Listen & Offer your Ideas & Potential Solutions; Sincerely, klee/"Kaylee "
PJP88029 Founder
Pershing Heights II/Registered Voter; Citizen of The Village & Luna County
email: pjp88029@gmail.com
Mr Whipple

Artesia, NM

#2 Jan 8, 2012
Grass roots, huh? Awfully darned officious.
sign here

Las Cruces, NM

#3 Jan 9, 2012
How many feet should there be between a bar and a school? Where is the luna County rule on this? The City of Deming gave a waiver for a bar to be close to a church and a school in Deming.''First ever" What is the rule in Columbus to be granted a waiver for a bar to be near a church and school?
Will the people in Columbus whon this will have an effect on need to sign the waiver or will only the trustees and mayor make the desision?

“PJP88029 Founder”

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, NM

#4 Jan 15, 2012
Hello Mr. Whipple & Sign Here;

I apologize for not responding to your replies sooner; unfortunately Time is such a limited commodity most days for me.

I am sorry if I sound "officious"; that is not my intent, and I guess, being new at this, Taking a Stand & writing Publicly; it will take me some time to hopefulley develope a more effective & convincing style.

So please bear with me, my motives are "pure" at this point.

Regarding the State of NM Statutes on The Location & Serving of Alcoholic Beverages; the following below is what I was going by.

I do not know the Luna County "rule" on this, or if there is one. From what I could gather in my research, this is a State Statute that localities can not supercede; made on behalf of the safety of the general public.

Thank You both for writing, I take everybody's input seriously, and please check out the PJP88029 website for more on this topic.

I just completed the last/3rd article on this subject today, it should be posted within the next 24 hours online.

http://www.columbusnewmexico.com/village_of_c...

Sincerely, klee pjp88029 Founder

"NMAC Liquor Control Act: Statute: 15.10.32.8 Effective March 31, 1997:

Location near Church, School, or Military Installation:
All measurements for the purpose of determining the location of a licensed premises in relation to churches, schools or military installations,
shall be the shortest direct line measurement between the actual limits of the real property of the church, school, or military installation, in which there is regularly conducted church services, educational functions or military troops housed, and the licensed premises where alcoholic beverages are proposed to be sold.

If the proposed licensed premises is within 400 feet of a church or school,
and the applicant does not admit the proposed licensed premises is within 300 feet of a the church or school,the application must be accompanied by a certified report of a registered engineer or duly certified surveyor."
sign here

Las Cruces, NM

#5 Jan 16, 2012
I read your recent statement. It appears the Village of Columbus trustees and or council approved the sale of alcoholic beverages across the street from a school. I thougt the waiver process meant that the people who want the buisness near a school or church would need to go to each place in the area... school or church etc. and get their written approval.( if it is not the required distance the statue requires)I find it odd that the village leaders would grant a waiver with out the support of the school or church if it is indeed in violation of the Liquor Control act. One can only hope the correct process was followed. I would think written approval from any place in the area that is too close should be given prior to the councils approval.
Mr Whipple

Artesia, NM

#6 Jan 17, 2012
Another cute 23 year old mother on METH made the headlines today killing her family comprised of TWO FULL-GROWN MEN with a knife, and shooting to death her little children and then (thankfully) herself.

On Meth.

You got your panties in a wad over a store selling quarts of beer.
Columbulous

Columbus, NM

#7 Jan 25, 2012
sign here wrote:
I read your recent statement. It appears the Village of Columbus trustees and or council approved the sale of alcoholic beverages across the street from a school. I thougt the waiver process meant that the people who want the buisness near a school or church would need to go to each place in the area... school or church etc. and get their written approval.( if it is not the required distance the statue requires)I find it odd that the village leaders would grant a waiver with out the support of the school or church if it is indeed in violation of the Liquor Control act. One can only hope the correct process was followed. I would think written approval from any place in the area that is too close should be given prior to the councils approval.
I attended said meeting and could not believe it myself. I at least expected the founder of the Pajama Party and other concerned citizens to voice their disapproval at that time. Additionally, there is a new candidate running for village council who has close ties with the Tres Salsas Restaurant owners and was openly cheering the approval by the council. The question that begs answering is: did some people get "paid"?
Columbulous

Columbus, NM

#8 Jan 25, 2012
Mr Whipple wrote:
Another cute 23 year old mother on METH made the headlines today killing her family comprised of TWO FULL-GROWN MEN with a knife, and shooting to death her little children and then (thankfully) herself.
On Meth.
You got your panties in a wad over a store selling quarts of beer.
You make quite an odd argument. Two wrongs do not make a right. Using your logic one could keep citing worse instances that make the previous one look like a lesser evil.
sign here

Las Cruces, NM

#9 Jan 26, 2012
Did the restaurant owner go to the school that is said to be to close and ask if they would sign the waiver? If a church or school is too close to a bar then does the school if it is state funded waive there own regulations?
In Deming the depot building was too close to the new county bar and entertainmant complex so it could no longer be used as a class room and was given a new purpose. In Deming the owner of the brewery just had to ask the mayor who owns a church close by if he cared if there was a bar close to his church the mayor -pastor said his church did not mind and the city gave the new bar owner a waiver. Is Columbus going to follow the ill practices of the City of Deming?

“PJP88029 Founder”

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, NM

#10 Feb 3, 2012
sign here wrote:
Did the restaurant owner go to the school that is said to be to close and ask if they would sign the waiver? If a church or school is too close to a bar then does the school if it is state funded waive there own regulations?
In Deming the depot building was too close to the new county bar and entertainmant complex so it could no longer be used as a class room and was given a new purpose. In Deming the owner of the brewery just had to ask the mayor who owns a church close by if he cared if there was a bar close to his church the mayor -pastor said his church did not mind and the city gave the new bar owner a waiver. Is Columbus going to follow the ill practices of the City of Deming?
Hello Again,
Thank you for your feedback & info on the precedent set in Deming.

From what I understand, the Applicant for the Liquour Serving License, Aurora Carreon, would have had to go to the National and County heads of the respective schools & church located near the Tres Salsa restaurant.

That would be obtaining notarized letters of non-objection from persons in authority of the Federal Head Start Pre-School Program, the Southern Baptist Church Council, and the Luna County Schools system to obtain THEIR statements of non-objection to the serving of alcoholic beverages within 400 feet of their local establishments.

The local representatives of such organizations simply do not have the authority to grant such letters of non-objection without going through the chains of command in each of their organizations.

As far as I know, Mrs. Carreon did not do that for ANY of the above 3 mentioned organizations. I may be wrong, but no such proof of these has been made available to the public.

Thus, For the local Village Council to endorse such by granting the waiver without proof of each of these 3 letters of non-objections is the most disheartening part of the process.

By granting this waiver to Mrs. Carreon, This has now put into jeopardy the future establishment of a Charter High School for the Village, which has targeted the Old Columbus Elementary School as their goal location; which is also within 400 feet of the Tres Salsas Restaurant.

Mr. Whipple, As far as people on Meth or whatever, killing other people, if That is an issue that is important to you; I encourage you to do whatever you can to change the course of the consequences of persons with addictions in our locality and beyond.

My issue with the Waiver being granted by the Village Council is what I am concerned about at this time.

I did my best to bring awareness of the potential dangers to the community & Council that allowing this to develop in this particular LOCATION is not in the Village's Best Interest. I am allowed to speak freely about what I believe in as long as I am not bringing harm to others.

Besides the obvious safety issues, serving alcoholic beverages within 400 feet of schools, a church, a public park and absolutely NO Overhead Public Streetlights within blocks of Tres Salsas; my other concern over the granting of this waiver by the Village Council is that it sets a very poor precedent for future enterprises considering development of businesses near schools, churches and other public gathering spots.

I foresee potential future "Location Waiver Requests" now for Gun Shops, Porn Shops, Head Shops, and More Alcohol Sales and/or Serving Licenses in Columbus's future; and the Village has now opened itself up for future lawsuits if they do not grant waivers for those as they did for Tres Salsas.

So, I'll stay focused on what concerns me, and encourage you to dedicate your energies on what concerns you Mr. Whipple, because as you too, are allowed to speak freely; but it doesn't mean that I feel any need to partake in any volley of snide comments or distracting tactics to validate your opinions.

Because I believe in this: "To Each Thier Own; Unity through Diversity & Productive Dialogue until Common Grounds are found."

“PJP88029 Founder”

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, NM

#11 Feb 3, 2012
Columbulous wrote:
<quoted text> I attended said meeting and could not believe it myself. I at least expected the founder of the Pajama Party and other concerned citizens to voice their disapproval at that time...
Hello "Columbulous";
I believe you are referring to the Weds Jan 11, 2012 6pm Village Council meeting where they voted & granted the waiver to Tres Salsas.

When the Tres Salsa Alcohol Waiver Resolution was opened to the Public to discuss; I waited intentionally & said nothing, in hopes that SOMEBODY, ANYBODY else at the meeting would Say SOMETHING on the issue which I had been writing & speaking about for the preceeding 12 days.
(The Community was only given about 2 weeks notice of the Special Hearing that was held on Sat Jan 7th about the Request for the Waiver).

NOBODY attending that Jan 11th Village meeting spoke.
Not a soul had the courage or inclination to speak either way, "For or Against" to start further PUBLIC discussion on the issue.

At that moment; I fully realized that I was the ONLY Adult in this Village of an estimated 1,000 adults, who HAD publicly voiced objections to granting this waiver.

It is one thing to take a stand & to try to raise awareness & gather community support;
but it is quite another to be a "Lone Voice in the Desert...."

And, Bottom Line; Nobody appointed me, Nobody asked me to speak for them.

I CHOSE to do so by writing & speaking Against this Waiver at the Special Hearing held on Sat. Jan 7th on this issue because of MY Personal Values of: 1. Protecting children from potential harms; 2. Following the Legal processes of our country; and; 3. My desire for this community to change it's history by starting to "Do the Right Things for the Right Reasons" for future growth & development.

I was certain that at least a FEW others would follow my lead & add their PUBLIC support to my objections. How wrong I was.

Thus I realized at that moment of "The Great Silent Majority" during the Weds Jan 11th Village Council meeting; by MY saying anymore, without ANY other PUBLIC support from local residents, I would only place myself in an even more antagonistic light.

And, I fully admit that I did NOT have the COURAGE AT THAT MOMENT to further "Target Myself" as "The ONLY Target" for potential future repercussions from parties that might feel that my voice needed to be eliminated if their "wishes were not granted".

To tell you the truth, taking the stand that I did publicly, was one of the "scariest" choices I have made in my life; because I know exactly who & what I was going against.

But I persisted until that moment of The Great Silent Majority when I realized I was truly alone on this issue.

One person had already accused me of wanting to "Bring Back Prohibition". How he had come to that conclusion prior to ever discussing & knowing WHAT my concerns were with me; I do not know.

That MAY have been an unspoken opinion of The Great Silent Majority in this Village; those who chose to remain silent rather than HEAR, Think & Discuss what I was brought up regarding potential Safety Issues & Legal Precedents being set.

Oh "Columbulous" I wish that YOU, whoever you are, had had the courage to speak up at the meeting prior to the vote, but you didn't, along with everybody else at that meeting.

I would have spoken if just ONE Other person had spoken, either "For or Against" my stances.

But, upon hearing the Ear Shattering Great Silence of the Public at that moment;
I accepted the fact that my concerns were NOT the Village's concerns, that they had other priorities, & for me to say anymore would be to no avail.

With that, I apologize if I let you or anyone else down, but I did not know that anybody else cared; except those who had spoken in Support of the Waiver at the Jan 6th special hearing..

thx/klee

http://www.columbusnewmexico.com/Pajama_Party...

http://www.columbusnewmexico.com/Pajama_Party...
Grey Matter

Silver City, NM

#13 Feb 3, 2012
A perceptive essay that perhaps tells us much about the current state of our society. At the Deming City Council and Luna County Commission meetings there is a small group of individuals that speak on issues before the body. Many see these individuals as trouble-makers or crackpots, but actually they are trying to participate in improving government. I've heard suggestions that would make government better, but most of the time it seems that the decisions have already been made and the suggestions go unheeded. Sort of a "trust us, we know what we're doing" or we know more than you do.

With our history of corruption in this area, I wonder if the public silence is from fear. Fear of being seen as a boat-rocker, trouble-maker, whistle-blower, etc., who will upset the balance of power and harm the powerful. Clearly, this will not win a popularity contest, or boost your business.

I wish that I saw this problem as a local, or state-wide one, but sadly I see it as a cancer in our national conscience and identity.

Your efforts have earned my respect.

“PJP88029 Founder”

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, NM

#14 Feb 3, 2012
Grey Matter wrote:
A perceptive essay that perhaps tells us much about the current state of our society. At the Deming City Council and Luna County Commission meetings there is a small group of individuals that speak on issues before the body. Many see these individuals as trouble-makers or crackpots, but actually they are trying to participate in improving government. I've heard suggestions that would make government better, but most of the time it seems that the decisions have already been made and the suggestions go unheeded. Sort of a "trust us, we know what we're doing" or we know more than you do.
With our history of corruption in this area, I wonder if the public silence is from fear. Fear of being seen as a boat-rocker, trouble-maker, whistle-blower, etc., who will upset the balance of power and harm the powerful. Clearly, this will not win a popularity contest, or boost your business.
I wish that I saw this problem as a local, or state-wide one, but sadly I see it as a cancer in our national conscience and identity.
Your efforts have earned my respect.
Thank You, "Grey Matter"; for that validation of my efforts.
Personally, I believe that it is a national cancer, as you do, made up of two viruses; Apathy & Fear.

In my lifetime, I believe that the softer our lifestyles have become, via inventions that have made things easier for us to achieve,(starting with the Remote Control for watching TV) has led to the downfall of "hard work & commitment" values that we used to live by.

It seems that people just do not care enough to take the time or energy to become knowledgeable on issue. They seem to prefer to be "entertained" rather than involved, and as you said, many "fear" what others will think about them; as if being accepted by society as a whole is more important than personal relationships of value. I call it "Having more Social, than Self, Esteem".

The "Nation of Sheep-le" is what the masses seem to value most highly.

I truly welcome any discussion that focuses on whatever the issue is at hand; be it in agreement or in opposition to what I personally think. I am always open to hearing "the other side" to to any story.

Disagreement causes one to think about things that one may not have thought of in coming to their own conclusions.

And Compassion, that human quality that also seems to fading into the woodwork of society as a whole, can not be attained without seeing things through another's eyes.

Without compassion for others, we all become egocentric and self-righteous; which results in fracturing the potential for finding common ground acceptable solutions.

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, NM

#15 Feb 4, 2012
That MAY have been an unspoken opinion of The Great Silent Majority in this Village; those who chose to remain silent rather than HEAR, Think & Discuss what I was brought up regarding potential Safety Issues & Legal Precedents being set.
Oh "Columbulous" I wish that YOU, whoever you are, had had the courage to speak up at the meeting prior to the vote, but you didn't, along with everybody else at that meeting.

Hey, PJP founder, please don't get me wrong: I think you did a wonderful and thorough job with your research and proactive involvement regarding this issue. I do believe you are very brave, considering the apparent lawlessness in the village.
I believe your arguments are full of common sense (maybe not so common around these places) and beyond rebuke, to the point that I was under the impression the refusal of the alcohol permit was a done deal!
The village giving its blessing for this illegal permit was so beyond my frame of reality that it actually did not "hit" me until the meeting was over that Columbus had caved into the demands of Tres Salsas. That is my own fault.
I'll treat this as a reminder that though the village tries to recover from its unsavory past the current system is still corrupted.
Thank you for standing up and leading, even if not many followed with words and actions. Columbus needs a law-abiding government. Let's hope for a good outcome at the next elections!
sign here

Las Cruces, NM

#16 Feb 4, 2012
Thank you for your well, researched, educated answers. Its so very good to see someone not go about something half baked. Hopefully if the correct process was not followed your efforts will have put the spot light on this wrong. All one can do is try.

“PJP88029 Founder”

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, NM

#17 Feb 4, 2012
re: "...The village giving its blessing for this illegal permit was so beyond my frame of reality that it actually did not "hit" me until the meeting was over that Columbus had caved into the demands of Tres Salsas..."

Hello again!
No, I didn't get you wrong at all,& I wasn't criticizing Your Silence at that meeting, I was just lamenting the fact that None of the attendees @ that meeting said a word when they had the opportunity; I would have welcomed somebody even saying "Drinks are on me, Hooray for Beer & Wine @ Tres Salsas" just to Open up the public discussion.
THEN I would have spoken.
It's a fine line between "making a point" and "harping on a subject"; and at that point, with the overwhelming Silence; I
lost the will/courage to Harp or Point!

And, as it didn't hit you until after the fact that the Trustees voted for yet another Waiving of legislation that was created way before any of them ever got involved in destroying our Village;

It didn't hit me until 2 full days after the vote that not ONE PARENT of the kids who play in that park at night in the summer or attend the Head Start Day Care Program or parents of the "Deming Commuting High School Kids" who get dropped off at the Bus Stop 1.5 blocks east of Tres Salsa every weekday
Did not speak up and say a word in opposition.

When I realized that; A combination of sadness & shock hit me; which lingers within my spirit.

I don't even have any children,and when I realized that not one parent in this Village spoke up; I saw that I was "spinning my wheels" trying to protect the kids of others who it seems don't care as much as I do/did about the hazards of allowing impaired drivers in that neighborhood.

That really broke my heart.

Few understand that all it takes is One Drink to affect one's reaction time. You don't have to be "Legally Drunk" to be impaired.

And, that all the food in the world eaten at the same time you drink does not change the effects of alcohol on the brain; it only slows down the process of alcohols depressant actions a bit.

So, best I can hope for now, is that whoever "Eats, Drinks, & Be's Merry" @ Tres Salsas will do so quickly, not linger over their meals, and take off before the alcohol takes effect & delays their perception & response times as they drive away on that unlit street where the kids gather.

We shall see, as I too "heard through the grapevine" that free meals were promised to those who supported the restaurant getting the Waiver. Unfortunately, I have no proof, just words from several sources.

Business should be pretty brisk @ Tres Salsas for awhile as those who thought of their bellies more than community safety enjoy the fruits of their labors.

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, NM

#18 Feb 4, 2012
Unfortunately, some people (communities) only learn the hard way. Dang it! I join you in your despair. Hang in there.

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#21 Feb 10, 2012
Whenever I see a whole lot of yapping going on without breaking down the problem into it's simplest form, I know it's a sham.

From here, it looks like three envious people are pissed that a restaraunt might sell a beverage that is traditional, taxed and tastey as any other one. Boo-Frickin'-Hoo
BAMz BAD

Deming, NM

#22 Feb 18, 2012

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#23 Feb 18, 2012
Okay. I'll make it simple. What EXACTLY is your bitch, PJP?

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