Macedonian names and makeDONSKI pseudo-linguistics: The case of the names Mita and the Mushki

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The Skopjans in their attempt to shed their own Slavic roots and claim autochthony in the lower Balkan peninsula long before the 7th c.AD in which their early-Slavonic speaking ancestors appeared in Macedonia, and trying to un-historically claim direct descent from the Greek speaking ancient Macedonians of Philip and Alexander the Great, fall from one Big Lie onto another. They originally begun by claiming the name "Macedonia" and "Macedonians" as exclusively their own. Then they followed by claiming identity with the ancient Macedonians. Now they claim the Paionians and the Phrygians as supposedly being (Slavonic-speaking, of course) "Makedonci". We have dealt with the Paionians at an earlier article and we promise to return to them, but as far as the Phrygians are presently concerned, we can see that the Macedonians did not consider them as one and the same as themselves. They simply considered them as neighbors.

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United Macedonians

Chemnitz, Germany

#1 Dec 5, 2010
From the article by Miltiades Bolaris:

Furthermore, Donski continues, shamelessly miss-quoting Quintus Rufus:

"Philotas equated the terms Phrygians and Paphlagonians. It is well known that the Phrygians (in the Balkans were known as Brygians) became the constitutional ethno-cultural core (???) of the ancient Macedonians (!!!), whereas the term Paphlagonians represents a geographic name for Veneti(???), i.e. for the ancestors of the "Slavs"(!!!). What this means actually is that Philotas equated the ancient Macedonians and the Veneti(???), and this happened before IV BC.(!!!)".

My eyes are hurting trying to read such utter nonsense that is being promoted and propagated to the people in Skopje as "Istorija na Makedonija". What Istorija? What Makedonija? Yet, Aleksandar Donski continues marching on into Istorija paranormalija unabated:

"Even earlier than this, Herodotus wrote that Phrygians (ancient Macedonians)(???) and Paphlagonians (ancestors of the "Slavs")(???) wore very similar clothes. There is narrative evidence regarding the analogy between the "Slav" and ancient Macedonian culture (!!!) from a later period as well."

Ah! Yes! This is exactly why Pinocchio´s nose kept growing longer and longer every time he told a lie!
United Macedonians

Chemnitz, Germany

#2 Dec 5, 2010
From the article:

The Skopjans in their attempt to shed their own Slavic roots and claim autochthony in the lower Balkan peninsula long before the 7th c.AD in which their early-Slavonic speaking ancestors appeared in Macedonia, and trying to un-historically claim direct descent from the Greek speaking ancient Macedonians of Philip and Alexander the Great, fall from one Big Lie onto another. They originally begun by claiming the name "Macedonia" and "Macedonians" as exclusively their own. Then they followed by claiming identity with the ancient Macedonians. Now they claim the Paionians and the Phrygians as supposedly being (Slavonic-speaking, of course) "Makedonci". We have dealt with the Paionians at an earlier article and we promise to return to them, but as far as the Phrygians are presently concerned, we can see that the Macedonians did not consider them as one and the same as themselves. They simply considered them as neighbors.
Dude

North Sydney, Australia

#3 Dec 5, 2010
Links to antiquty, is a load of crap invented in modern malakaland.
PHILIP THE MACEDONIAN

Bielefeld, Germany

#4 Dec 5, 2010
Skopians are the Yugoslavization of Vardar Bulgarians!
Skopians are a Pseudonation. A Titoistic invention.They are the Yugoslavisation of Vardar-Bulgarians with Greek name. Since 1945 the Skopian language is not the Bulgarian,but a titoistic copy of the Serbocroatian. Tito has removed all Bulgarian elements of the Skopian-Bulgarian and replaced with Serbocroatian language. The name "Makedoni(J)a" is not Skopian name. It is a foreign word for the pseudo-Skopian language."Makedoni(J)a " is the Greek name Makedonia in Serbocroatian.
See Pseudoskopian titoistic alphabet, copy of the Serbian Alphabet, written with a typewriter Serbo-Croatian:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/bg/6/6e...
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/4921/fyrom...
Yugoslavization of the Bulgarian GOCE DELCEV!
Skopians are Pseudodonskis. The Yugoslavization of the Vardar-Bulgarians!
Here is the grave of the Bulgarian Goce Gelcev in Bulgaria (See "SBObODATA" in Bulgarian):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/ca...
And here is the Yugoslavization of the Bulgarian Goce Delcev in Skopje in serbocroatian language:
http://www.trifunandreevski.com/images/storie...
The Yugoslavization of the Bulgarian GOCE DELCEV is representative for the Yugoslavization of the Vardar-Bulgarians in year 1945.
Tito with the support of Bulgaria(see Stettinius) renamed "Vardarska Banovina" in "Yugoslav-Macedonia" , just so he integrates Macedonia from Greece into Yugoslavia.See map of Vardarska:
http://zeus.nethelp.gr/uploads/vardarska.png
Yugoslavian Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes
http://myoverprintedstamps.files.wordpress.co...
http://myoverprintedstamps.files.wordpress.co...
http://myoverprintedstamps.files.wordpress.co...
Not existend Yugoslav nation of the Macedonians!

Demographic Statistic Yugoslavia 1921-1931:
http://www2.units.it/~storia/corsi/Dogo/tabel...
Not existend Yugoslav nation of the Macedonians!
ETNOGRAFSKA KARTA Jugoslavia.
http://www.theodora.com/maps/new/yugoethnic.g...
Not existend Yugoslav nation of the Macedonians!
U.S. State Department, Foreign Relations Vol. VII, Circular Airgram (868.014 / 26 Dec. 1944) by then Secretary of State E. Stettinius:
“The Department has noted with considerable apprehension increasing propaganda rumors and semi-official statements in favor of an autonomous Macedonia emanating from Bulgaria, but also from Yugoslav Partisan and other sources, with the implication that Greek territory would be included in the projected state.“This Government considers talk of Macedonian “nation”, Macedonian “Fatherland” or Macedonian “national consciousness” to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic or political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece”.
map published in 'Бо&#1 088;ба'(bo rba), the official newspaper of the League of Communists of Yugoslavia, 26 august 1946.
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6273/akrit...
United Macedonians

Chemnitz, Germany

#5 Dec 6, 2010
Yugoslavs are now antic Phrygians?

These people want to be anything and everything it seems but Yugoslavs.
Wilhelm Muller

Germany

#6 Dec 6, 2010
Macedonia belongs to Greece.

It is historically approved by many historians from all over the world that the people of Skopje are Slavs or other races, but have nothing to do with the people of Alexander the Great!

Macedonians were Greeks and spoke the Greek language. Numerous excavations in all of the ancient Macedonia area have consistently unearthed relics clearly with Greek writings, and depictions of rulers clearly designated with Greek names.

In ancient Greek culture, Macedonians celebrated the same festivals with the rest of the Greeks. They took part in the Olympic games which at the time was only participated in by the Hellenes.

The regions that comprised the area of Macedonia all had Greek names.

Furthermore, the architecture of the palaces, temples, theaters & ancient markets are all characteristic samples of ancient Greek architecture of the time.

These Hellenic structures clearly included Greek writings on them which without a shodow of a doubt prove that they were dveloped by the Greeks and belonged to the Greeks.

The ancient Macedonians believed in the same 12 Gods of Olympus as the rest of the Hellenes. In addition, the Macedonians fought together with the rest of the Hellenes against barbarians.

To the Greeks at the time, a barbarian was defined as any group of people who did not share the same developed culture. Any group of people outside of civilized Greece was defended against by all of Greece, which included Macedonia. Last but certainly not least, Macedonia was a member of the Delphic Amfictiony, an institution which was open only to Greeks.....

The people of Skopje are Slavs or other races, but have nothing to do with the people of Alexander the Great, the Macedonian Greeks !
alx

Thessaloníki, Greece

#7 Dec 6, 2010
Dude wrote:
Links to antiquty, is a load of crap invented in modern malakaland.
said the guy with no past or future
United Macedonians

Chemnitz, Germany

#8 Dec 6, 2010
We have finally a proposal for a name for FYROM by Dude: Malakaland (north of Macedonia).

“...kai hoi Hellenes plen...”

Since: May 08

Serres, Macedonia

#17 Dec 6, 2010
One thing that needs to be stressed here is that most of the research that eventually led scholars to prove that Phrygian was a language related to Greek and that Armenian is a language related to Greek via Phryagian was done by two slavic Scholars, both Russian, Igor Diakonoff and Vladimir Orel, both of whom wrote book on the Phrygian language. The other two are (for Phrygian to Greek) the French Claude Brixhe and (for Armenian to Greek) the American Indo-Europeanist Eric Hamp, among several others. Exchept for Panayiotou, no other Greek scholar has been at the forefront of this reasearch, leaving the field to A.Donski-type pseudo-scientists from Skopje to have a free field propagating pseudo-scholarly crap. The Phrygians, the Armenians and the Paionians are the obvious linguistic cousins of the Hellenes, and, as we showed in this paper, it is easy to prove it basing ourselves on modern linguistic findings, work already done by other linsguistic scientists, yet I never saw anything to that effect in any Greek schoolbook. "Ta vodia mas arga", as usually with the Greek state and our demosiaoypaleliskous professors who educated us and educate our children.

“...kai hoi Hellenes plen...”

Since: May 08

Serres, Macedonia

#18 Dec 6, 2010
The next thing is to work on the Paionians, whom we can easily prove that A. they belong linguistically to the Hellenic branch of languages, along with Phrygians and Armenian, and b. that they became completely Hellenised, starting after their conquest by Phillip II and for sure by the 4th century AD. As for the Thracians, and the Illyrians, we need to make sure that A. the Bulgarians do not go too far with their "out of Thracia" theories (the Thracians were not related to the Greeks, but they sure as hell were not Slavs either! As for the Illyrians we need to prove (it has been proven already, just to showcase it) that the Albanians have nothing to do with the Illyrians, but they came from Mountainous Dacia, the carpathians in 1070 AD, not in antiquity.
United Macedonians

Tübingen, Germany

#19 Dec 6, 2010
eismakedon wrote:
The next thing is to work on the Paionians, whom we can easily prove that A. they belong linguistically to the Hellenic branch of languages, along with Phrygians and Armenian, and b. that they became completely Hellenised, starting after their conquest by Phillip II and for sure by the 4th century AD. As for the Thracians, and the Illyrians, we need to make sure that A. the Bulgarians do not go too far with their "out of Thracia" theories (the Thracians were not related to the Greeks, but they sure as hell were not Slavs either! As for the Illyrians we need to prove (it has been proven already, just to showcase it) that the Albanians have nothing to do with the Illyrians, but they came from Mountainous Dacia, the carpathians in 1070 AD, not in antiquity.
The origin of the Albanians is an interesting question, along with everything else. I partly sympathise with you that in Greece, unfortunately, the public servants, who represent our country's lowest common denominator, are actually the ones in charge of running the country and the education system. The Skopjans are also mediocre, and they have utter idiots for government, which is part of the problem combined with Greek inadequacy in response. In the end, in a democracy people are ruled by those voted in by the average man, as Aristotle would say. So we have our most mediocre pitted against their most lunatic. The outcome is plain to see.

On the other hand, who would care about ancient identities, if some uneducated fanatics like Donski and the like weren't there? It is almost insulting we have to make nationalist arguments ourselves just because a bunch of Balkan lunatics talking out of their arses seem to have found an audience of 2 million gullible people who for 60 years lived empty lives under Communism. These folks were being told for 60 years they should forget their actual ethnicity (Serb, Bulgarian, Vlach, etc) and live as good Peoples Republic workers, with their existence enlivened only with Communist Block hate-filled propaganda against their neighbours.

As for the diaspora, they are one step further gone: expatriates idolise their homeland and want to go back to their roots but as Communism destroyed any reference to their roots, they have reinvented history ... The only roots they might have known within that 60 year span, in relation to the bad guys (by default apparently Greeks), are the crimes they committed against the 28000 Greek children. Luckily most of them do not consider idolising that, so they reinvent history.

This is not a problem of ancient identities as much as a tragedy (bordering on Hitlerism) of 2 million messed up people - and we are trying to combat it with lessons of history and linguistics. Sadly the world doesn't care because it is not anybody else's problem. Most people wouldn't care if the FYROMians called their nation Republic of Martians or Empire of Pinnochios. Would George Bush really care about who the Phrygians, the Paionians or the Macedonians were?
United Macedonians

Tübingen, Germany

#20 Dec 6, 2010
Having said all that, sort of trying to use highly charged language accusing each other of fascism and getting into insult competitions with them, where we definitely cannot have an upper hand, the best we can do really is what Miltiades is doing.

It is just a shame the world cannot take notice and do something to sort this problem out. Obviously these people cannot solve their problem by themselves. It would not be much for diplomats to smile politely every time the FYROMians say "Macedonia" until they get the message. I wonder what the Jewish in America think when they see this kind of extremism. Don't they want to revolt against it?

“...kai hoi Hellenes plen...”

Since: May 08

Serres, Macedonia

#21 Dec 11, 2010
"So we have our most mediocre pitted against their most lunatic." - United Macedonians.

This statement easily wins the "statement of the month" trophy in Topix for December!
United Macedonians

Lichtenstein, Germany

#22 Dec 11, 2010
No comments from the Skopjans on Miliades Bolaris’ interesting article. It's too complicated for them all this stuff about ancient languages and inscriptions. Can't find anything about these things in the Gruevski schoolbooks or in the VMRO party flyers.
Mark2

AOL

#23 Dec 12, 2010
United Macedonians wrote:
No comments from the Skopjans on Miliades Bolaris’ interesting article. It's too complicated for them all this stuff about ancient languages and inscriptions. Can't find anything about these things in the Gruevski schoolbooks or in the VMRO party flyers.
Min tous tyranate vre paidia...what can they answer?
CANADEZOS

Scarborough, Canada

#24 Dec 12, 2010
Dude wrote:
Links to antiquty, is a load of crap invented in modern malakaland.
YUGOSLAVIAN COMMUNIST RIDICULE==>THE ANCIENT HISTORIANS!INCLUDING THE FATHER OF HISTORY RERODOTUS!HAD NO REASON TO LIE!WHILE TODAYS FORMER YUGOSLAVIAS CORRUPTED COMMUNISTS LIKE YOU!HAVE PLENTY OF REASONS TO LIE!
The Albanization of FYROM

Täby, Sweden

#25 Jul 8, 2012
United Macedonians wrote:
From the article by Miltiades Bolaris:
Furthermore, Donski continues, shamelessly miss-quoting Quintus Rufus:
"Philotas equated the terms Phrygians and Paphlagonians. It is well known that the Phrygians (in the Balkans were known as Brygians) became the constitutional ethno-cultural core (???) of the ancient Macedonians (!!!), whereas the term Paphlagonians represents a geographic name for Veneti(???), i.e. for the ancestors of the "Slavs"(!!!). What this means actually is that Philotas equated the ancient Macedonians and the Veneti(???), and this happened before IV BC.(!!!)".
My eyes are hurting trying to read such utter nonsense that is being promoted and propagated to the people in Skopje as "Istorija na Makedonija". What Istorija? What Makedonija? Yet, Aleksandar Donski continues marching on into Istorija paranormalija unabated:
"Even earlier than this, Herodotus wrote that Phrygians (ancient Macedonians)(???) and Paphlagonians (ancestors of the "Slavs")(???) wore very similar clothes. There is narrative evidence regarding the analogy between the "Slav" and ancient Macedonian culture (!!!) from a later period as well."
Ah! Yes! This is exactly why Pinocchio´s nose kept growing longer and longer every time he told a lie!
Fyromians lying noses would have impressed Pinocchio!

Shameless fyromians, without pride or dignity. Ashamed of themselves.

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