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Columbus, OH

#1 Mar 2, 2011
I understand that after Mr. Jordan turned his back today on Ohio's teachers, policemen, firemen and all state and public employees by voting for SB5, a bill his own party had to resort to replacing their own members on the committee in order to pass, that a well known local Republican will be running against Mr. Jordan in the next election. Name recognition will not be a problem. Mr. Jordan better hope his rich boy donors like Koch have a lot of money to invest because this candidate is well funded and supported.

In addition, another well known local Republican will be declaring to run against Congressman Tiberi.

It is time that those who serve who do not value the American worker need to go get a real job of their own in the private sector and to stop living off the public. Both Jordan and Tiberi have not worked enough in the private sector enough to value the hard work and effort these people make.

Well over 61% of the Ohio people do not want this bill. It is time Mr. Jordan understands who he is not representing.
Good Bye

Powell, OH

#2 Mar 2, 2011
My family will vote for whoever runs against him. I don't care who it is!
This is

Mansfield, OH

#3 Mar 2, 2011
interesting and exactly like Jordan. In addition, during this critical time in our history, he is sponsoring a bill to band human-animal cloning. A great waste of everyone's time.
Vote Them Out

Portsmouth, OH

#4 Mar 2, 2011
Every senator who voted against American workers today needs to be voted out. Jordan has never been a friend of the middle class. He needs to learn what it is to actually work for a living. I think career politicians are way worse than any union!
I do not

Columbus, OH

#6 Mar 3, 2011
like Jordan but am impressed he had the balls to go against all the fat cat union members and go with the bill. C'mon people, the taxpaying public can't continue to foot the bill for the excessive benefit package the state employees enjoy. I live in Marion and our taxes go up eveytime the teachers need another snow day or "professional" day. Get real people
Good Bye

Powell, OH

#7 Mar 3, 2011
I do not wrote:
like Jordan but am impressed he had the balls to go against all the fat cat union members and go with the bill. C'mon people, the taxpaying public can't continue to foot the bill for the excessive benefit package the state employees enjoy. I live in Marion and our taxes go up eveytime the teachers need another snow day or "professional" day. Get real people
Show me an excessive benefit package from a Marion teacher
Interesting

Johnstown, OH

#8 Mar 4, 2011
Jordan's parents both have "public employee" retirements that are protected from current legislative changes. His dad from OSU and his mom from teaching. Guess now that Jordan has his --. Wouldn't it be nice to introduce Herr Jordan to the private sector. He even worked hard to lobby to get his wife a county job.

Maybe Kris should stop sucking off the public teat long enough to learn some real-world issues.
Just Wondering

Höst, Germany

#9 Mar 4, 2011
What are Mr. and Mrs. Kris Jordan's taxpayer provided benefits and salaries?

How much sacrifice and cutting are the current crop of GOP elected officials making to their own salary and benefit packages in this time of dire financial circumstances for Ohio and its government?

Did our clerk of courts ever pay her several hundred thousand dollars of federal and state tax liens?
Marion resident

Columbus, OH

#10 Mar 4, 2011
If you know Jordans parents' names (or anyone else who is sucking the public teat) you can find out how much they make and how much they will get as a pension by going to:

http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/school-data

pretty interesting how they can say they are being abused.

BTW Marion can be found also: looks like the average salary is near $50,000.....not bad for 185 days of "work" at 7 hours a day that's over 38 dollars per hour. This doesn't count the pension and the 15 sick days, professional days...comp days and all the other fluff they have. Show me the private sector worker getting this.
Hours

Chicago, IL

#11 Mar 4, 2011
You are an idiot to think teachers work a strict 7 hour day.
Marion resident wrote:
If you know Jordans parents' names (or anyone else who is sucking the public teat) you can find out how much they make and how much they will get as a pension by going to:
http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/school-data
pretty interesting how they can say they are being abused.
BTW Marion can be found also: looks like the average salary is near $50,000.....notbad for 185 days of "work" at 7 hours a day that's over 38 dollars per hour. This doesn't count the pension and the 15 sick days, professional days...comp days and all the other fluff they have. Show me the private sector worker getting this.
Marion resident

Columbus, OH

#13 Mar 4, 2011
You're right it's more like 6 at most
Marion resident

Columbus, OH

#14 Mar 4, 2011
let's see.....roll in at 8, take attendance, teach a 45 minute class, wander to the teachers lounge to gossip, teach another 45 minute class...recess, another 45 minute class...send the to lunch...another 45 minute class, send them to Phys Ed., show them a movie ...be home by 4.

That is unless you have a field trip planned. Oh yeah don't forget, all this is done with a teacher's aid in the room too.

Wow that was a hard day's work.
To the Marion Moron

Secaucus, NJ

#15 Mar 4, 2011
"Show me the private sector worker getting this."

Check out the market for newly-minted attorneys
Columbus law firm

Columbus Salaries & Benefits
2010 Starting Salary (New Hires No experience) Not even licensed to practice law
$120,000

Additional Benefits:
$8,000 bar exam stipend
Relocation expenses
Life and disability insurance paid by firm
Selection of health insurance options
Selection of 401(k) retirement plan options
Participation in an investment plan
Judicial clerk bonus

Not bad $61.54 per hour for eight or so hours.
Why

Columbus, OH

#16 Mar 4, 2011
Is it that when Jordan starts to take some grief, the old, stupid Thompson thread gets active. Interesting . . . .
Marion resident

Columbus, OH

#17 Mar 7, 2011
At the risk of sounding extremely more intelligent than you shall I point out that the attorneys have a doctorate degree? The new attorneys will work six days a week and about 10-11 hours per day. That comes to 35 to 40 bucks an hour. Jusy a bit more than half of the teachers. I think you're spending too much time in the gossip lounge.
Lost

Dallas, TX

#18 Mar 7, 2011
Marion resident wrote:
At the risk of sounding extremely more intelligent than you shall I point out that the attorneys have a doctorate degree? The new attorneys will work six days a week and about 10-11 hours per day. That comes to 35 to 40 bucks an hour. Jusy a bit more than half of the teachers. I think you're spending too much time in the gossip lounge.
Go get lost in a flood!!
To the Marion Moron

Netherlands

#19 Mar 7, 2011
You wrote: "At the risk of sounding extremely more intelligent than you shall I point out that the attorneys have a doctorate degree? The new attorneys will work six days a week and about 10-11 hours per day. That comes to 35 to 40 bucks an hour. Just a bit more than half of the teachers. I think you're spending too much time in the gossip lounge."

Certainly no risk for me there, since you don't.

Attorneys might bill for 10 or 11 hours but actually working them too is a different matter. The "doctorate" degree most attorneys has is a 3 year post graduate degree. Most teachers have a 2 - 3 year Masters plus additional - required - formal education.

Oh yeah, I forgot the generous bonuses that first year and beyond attorneys get in the better firms. Some are equivalent to 100% of their base salary at the end of the year with some (most of the good firms) giving "spring" bonuses of about 10% of the base salary. Certainly not all attorneys (a few do) work the hours you suggest, most don't.

You want to talk about some other professions that have similar or less onerous governmental requirements than teachers face yet make more money? We can do that to show the depth and breadth of your stupidity. It's not always about the money, unless you are a GOP whiner.
SANN

Chillicothe, OH

#20 Mar 8, 2011
Since it seems the popular point of Senate Bill 5 is money, let me say this.

The idea of a merit raise is good...in theory. However merit raises are biased and based soley on the opinion of those who "rate" the employee for a raise. Just like public sector work, not everyone gets along in the public working sector either. So, as a state worker you can have 364 excellent working days and 1 bad day. Guess what day your raise will be based on? I have expierenced this personally. As they person being reviewed, you can raise all the points you want, however in the end it comes down to the OPINION of 1 or more persons. So, until there is a fair scoring system, merit raises are not fair because opinion and bias will always be a factor.

Second, unions keep a checks and balance in place between employers and employees. Now as an employee I agree that because you are in a union you don't have a right to be lazy, however because there is no union it does not give an employer the right to rule like a dictator. Comp time is a prime example. Comp time is time off earned in place of monatary payment. well comp time is good, but if not kept in check and employer can will continue to deny that time so they avoid paying overtime. Denying comp time for the reason of avoiding overtime is a violation of state law.
SANN

Chillicothe, OH

#21 Mar 8, 2011
If elected officials want to base public workers pay on a merit system, what about the elected officials pay. What about his staff pay? Who pays for their retirement? Is it fair that an elected official can cut the pay and benefits of others while voting on their own raise?

Since: Apr 10

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#22 Mar 8, 2011
All right wing nut jobs like Jordan and Brenner need voted out.
And please Mel, no need to reply under your Marion pseudo nAme.

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