California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legalization Initiative

CitizenTopix wrote:

Proposition 19 would change California Law to Legalize Marijuana and Allow It to Be Regulated and Taxed:
- Allows people 21 years old or older to possess, cultivate, or transport marijuana for personal use.
- Permits local governments to regulate and tax commercial production and sale of marijuana to people 21 years old or older.
- Prohibits people from possessing marijuana on school grounds, using it in public, smoking it while minors are present, or providing it to anyone under 21 years old.
- Maintains current prohibitions against driving while impaired.
How will you vote on November 2?

The Avenger wrote:

Yes, let's legalize it. After all, it is no more dangerous than cigarettes and cigars. If you really think that, I challenge you to a trial. I'll get in my car and you in yours, we'll both chain-smoke as we drive the Freeways fom LAX to Fraser Park. See which one makes it??? Har-Har!

Certified AOD Counselor wrote:

The problem, if Prop. 19 passes (and I am one of the "YES" votes!), will be that EVERY city and county in the state will have to make a decision as to whether marijuana can be sold or cultivated or possessed, within their local jurisdiction! That means ALL 58 Counties, PLUS ALL 481 incorporated cities in CA, will have to decide if marijuana is "legal" at a SPECIFIC local level. Some cities will still say no to it, for the revenue that citing people for possessing it, or growing it "illegally" will bring.
It will be interesting to see WHERE in CA, marijuana will be "legal" 1 year after Election Day!

Jimbo wrote:

Im all for it. I smoke it everie hour im awaik. As and offishal i can say i stronglie support it. Vote Scattinni for police cheif there two.
fiting for you!
Jimbo

Liz Arndt wrote:

Historically, prohibition against anything has been ineffective.

Dr Leo MD wrote:

Cannabis is less physically addictive than caffeine, while the so-called “gateway drug” theory is a complete fantasy, and it was just recently called “half-baked” as a result of a scientific study. CNN reported that Cocaine use has dropped sharply, by 30% since 2002, which is really good news.
I worked in addiction medicine for years, and this is what I can advice on the matter: Any suppression of Cannabis use will be immediately followed by an increase in alcohol/hard drug/prescription drug abuse! You don’t believe me? Then maybe you will believe the Big Alcohol lobby that is financing the Cannabis Legalization opponents for exactly this reason.
Right now Cannabis is just simply perceived as a much safer alternative to alcohol/hard drugs, which is precisely how it should be perceived. To have a society in which there is NO psychoactive substance use is an illusion, and it will be good for our government to realize this. So then, it becomes a matter of “safer choices”, just like with the sex education. And Cannabis is, without a shadow of a doubt, a much safer choice than alcohol or hard drugs.
Just very recently a research study in addiction medicine has determined that Cannabis may actually serve as an “exit” substance for recovering alcoholics/hard drug addicts!
And there is another extremely important property of Cannabis that the prohibitionists would love to keep secret: Cannabis use suppresses violent urges and behaviors and, as one prestigious textbook says,“Only the unsophisticated think otherwise”.
Then, of course, there is a potential for Cannabis in chronic pain, where other drugs may be ineffective (or physically addictive), with very important potential implications for our wounded veterans, many of whom have chronic pain.
It is also worth noting that Cannabis may have certain preventative value for such devastating conditions as cancer and Alzheimer’s disease. And all this comes with no danger of overdoses or induction of a physical dependence! Let’s be very happy that the cocaine abuse rate is dropping.
Let’s not interfere with these dynamics, and then we can possibly achieve what has already been achieved in the Netherlands where the drug overdose rate is 85%(!!) lower than in the US, and that is with much more liberal Cannabis possession laws than in this country!
Maybe it is time to give up “dogma” about Cannabis, and to start listening to the experts, if we really want to lower the alcohol/hard drug use in this country, and the accompanying dependencies and overdoses!

KimBoe wrote:

<quoted text>speaking from experience, marijuana is a gateway drug & an aphrodesiac!
why do you think they call it whacky-weed?!?
& i seriously doubt if you can name me a significant number of users who haven't used other drugs.
ussually it goes pot to lsd & then anything goes
but then, i used to hang out with a lot of hardcore druggie musicians in california, but still, if it happened to me, it can happen to you!
& a serious crime was committed against me while the perp was under the influence. had to toke up to get revved for the crime.
& in these days, if that happened to me,it can happen to you too!

KimBoe wrote:

<quoted text>speaking from experience, marijuana is a gateway drug & an aphrodesiac!
why do you think they call it whacky-weed?!?
& i seriously doubt if you can name me a significant number of users who haven't used other drugs.
ussually it goes pot to lsd & then anything goes
but then, i used to hang out with a lot of hardcore druggie musicians in california, but still, if it happened to me, it can happen to you!
& a serious crime was committed against me while the perp was under the influence. had to toke up to get revved for the crime.
& in these days, if that happened to me,it can happen to you too!

Bruno24 wrote:

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Some people believe that taking hard drug while having smoke pot before is an argument that pot lead to hard drug, but this is logically invalid. You must take the popuplation of the pot smokers (not the hard drug users) and see among them if a bigger proportion take the hard drugs. In that case the results are that alcohol and tranquilizers are more gate way than pot. In fact pot seems sligthly preventing the use of harder drug. In fact the problematic of pot have been debunked, and have been precisely related to precise lies for precise special interest. Cannabis is just an excellent medication for a large spectrum of diseases, and is probably the most safer recreative products. I have already provide many referencesn and they can be found by anyone serious searching on the net.
When you mention violent act done under cannabis, and conclude, you are doing the logical error mentioned above. I am a math teacher. I am paid to help people not doing that errors, but the cannabis file seems immune to logic teaching apparently.
Anyway, it has also been confirmed, as we can gues by simple common sense, that the prohibition of a drug directly augment the production of that drug. Prohibition offers the market to the criminals, which not only don't ask for the ID, but specifically target the youth, and try to enrol them in the criminal circle. The danger of drugs, above the usual incident, is a direct consequence of prohibition.
"Prohibition... goes beyond the bound of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded" -Abraham Lincoln, U.S. President

MITT DOLEWATER wrote:

sorry, my key board isnt working well

RiccardoFire wrote:

<quoted text>Mitt
Seems like your bong is.
Riccardo

Bruno24 wrote:

<quoted text>
Some people believe that taking hard drug while having smoke pot before is an argument that pot lead to hard drug, but this is logically invalid. You must take the popuplation of the pot smokers (not the hard drug users) and see among them if a bigger proportion take the hard drugs. In that case the results are that alcohol and tranquilizers are more gate way than pot. In fact pot seems sligthly preventing the use of harder drug. In fact the problematic of pot have been debunked, and have been precisely related to precise lies for precise special interest. Cannabis is just an excellent medication for a large spectrum of diseases, and is probably the most safer recreative products. I have already provide many referencesn and they can be found by anyone serious searching on the net.
When you mention violent act done under cannabis, and conclude, you are doing the logical error mentioned above. I am a math teacher. I am paid to help people not doing that errors, but the cannabis file seems immune to logic teaching apparently.
Anyway, it has also been confirmed, as we can gues by simple common sense, that the prohibition of a drug directly augment the production of that drug. Prohibition offers the market to the criminals, which not only don't ask for the ID, but specifically target the youth, and try to enrol them in the criminal circle. The danger of drugs, above the usual incident, is a direct consequence of prohibition.
"Prohibition... goes beyond the bound of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded" -Abraham Lincoln, U.S. President

Bruno24 wrote:

<quoted text>
Some people believe that taking hard drug while having smoke pot before is an argument that pot lead to hard drug, but this is logically invalid. You must take the popuplation of the pot smokers (not the hard drug users) and see among them if a bigger proportion take the hard drugs. In that case the results are that alcohol and tranquilizers are more gate way than pot. In fact pot seems sligthly preventing the use of harder drug. In fact the problematic of pot have been debunked, and have been precisely related to precise lies for precise special interest. Cannabis is just an excellent medication for a large spectrum of diseases, and is probably the most safer recreative products. I have already provide many referencesn and they can be found by anyone serious searching on the net.
When you mention violent act done under cannabis, and conclude, you are doing the logical error mentioned above. I am a math teacher. I am paid to help people not doing that errors, but the cannabis file seems immune to logic teaching apparently.
Anyway, it has also been confirmed, as we can gues by simple common sense, that the prohibition of a drug directly augment the production of that drug. Prohibition offers the market to the criminals, which not only don't ask for the ID, but specifically target the youth, and try to enrol them in the criminal circle. The danger of drugs, above the usual incident, is a direct consequence of prohibition.
"Prohibition... goes beyond the bound of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded" -Abraham Lincoln, U.S. President