Pasadena looks for ways to reduce tra...

Pasadena looks for ways to reduce traffic, but its options are few

There are 18 comments on the Pasadena Star-News story from Dec 4, 2009, titled Pasadena looks for ways to reduce traffic, but its options are few. In it, Pasadena Star-News reports that:

Traffic is one of Pasadena residents' biggest concerns, but state laws pertaining to planning for population growth, limited funding for public transit, and political considerations make it hard for the city to do anything about it.

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duh

Santa Monica, CA

#1 Dec 5, 2009
Higher traffic counts has run parallel to the number of housing units being built in the same area.

And now they want to bite the hand that feeds them. How nobody saw this coming is difficult to comprehend.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#2 Dec 5, 2009
Sigh .... do city officials read. Many people go elsewhere rather than pay for Pasadena parking. All they are concerned with is pricing to make sure there are 1 or 2 spots available? How about supporting businesses.

Let's build more apartments and condos with thousands of more people and wonder why there is more traffic. They do not see these things in their greed to generate more tax dollars.

Frankly I also stay out of Pasadena to avoid the motorcycle cop vultures. Actaully they are not cops. They don't fight crime, they are simply another method for the city to milk people of money. Just go down to the courthouse and look at the traffic line with 200+ people in it at all times. I guess I am helping keep the traffic down by avoiding Pasadena as much as possible.

Quality of life in Pasadena continues to decline as we are jammed into smaller spaces. But hey, more tax dollars. Any citizens ask for this?
STARCHY

Moreno Valley, CA

#3 Dec 5, 2009
Pasadena needs gondolas- plane and simple
steel buckets in the sky!!
Marcus

Chino Hills, CA

#4 Dec 5, 2009
More proof that the centralized planning regime in Sacramento is killing California. They should just butt out and leave us alone. Pasadena has become an example of just how bad things can get when clown organizations like SCAG get involved.
Pas resident

United States

#5 Dec 5, 2009
Geez! Where do I begin? Excessive stop signs, non functional round-abouts, traffic-level trains, parking rates rivaling Downtown LA, motorcycle cops with one purpose--create revenue, or my favorite- the road blocks (on El Molino)??? What is Pasadena thinking? Do you really think you can get rid of the automobile? It's gotten too frustrating to drive, park, shop/eat in MY city. Easier to just drive an additional 10 minutes and take my business elsewhere. Maybe that IS the plan...suffocate all the businesses to lessen traffic?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#6 Dec 5, 2009
Pas resident wrote:
Geez! Where do I begin? Excessive stop signs, non functional round-abouts, traffic-level trains, parking rates rivaling Downtown LA, motorcycle cops with one purpose--create revenue, or my favorite- the road blocks (on El Molino)??? What is Pasadena thinking? Do you really think you can get rid of the automobile? It's gotten too frustrating to drive, park, shop/eat in MY city. Easier to just drive an additional 10 minutes and take my business elsewhere. Maybe that IS the plan...suffocate all the businesses to lessen traffic?
You forgot those great corners they installed on Washington that stick out into traffic that everyone keeps running in to. Maybe the City is getting kickbacks from all the auto repairs. Yeah those islands in the street between straight traffic and right turns. Great on dark rainy nights. Just ignorance? Or planned income?
CableNewsGuy

Long Beach, CA

#7 Dec 5, 2009
The Star News reporter, says "PASADENA - Traffic is one of Pasadena residents' biggest concerns, but state laws pertaining to planning for population growth, limited funding for public transit, and political considerations make it hard for the city to do anything about it."

Sounds like the Mayor, Council members, City staff, and business community has convinced you nothing can be done. Just like they are now saying we can't submit a no/slow growth General Plan update to the State. After they butchered implementation of the General Plan, especially the 1994 update (ignored traffic mitigation measures in the recommended and in some cases approved EIRs) we the residents are supposed to suck it up and live with it. Tough cookies?

First off, it is NOW impossible to reduce the amount of traffic (number of cars) on our streets (between Orange Grove on the west to Hill Street to the east, Orange Grove on the north to California to the south). Which is not only due to the uncontrolled high density residential and commercial development in the City's central core, but also abandonment of the 710 freeway link which dumps all manner of non-residents on our city streets during the rush hours (which begins earlier and lasts longer in the morning/evening rush to/from work. As a recent El Molino street article commenter pointed out, converting Marengo and Los Robles to single lane each direction from the previous two-lanes each direction and eliminating left-hand turns going west on California significantly reduced traffic flow out of the City.

Most residents recognize there are too many cars on the streets. When we complain about traffic, we are talking about the traffic flow! How much time it takes to get from here to there. Granted we have no control over the freeways and another cities' street, but our City streets are fair game. Improving flow immediately should include:
(1) no parking on the streets during rush hours to increase the number of lanes;
(2) investigate dual-flow lanes on the major streets to add even more lanes; (3) program the traffic signals to favor the heavy traffic direction during rush hours;
(3) add traffic cops and meter maids to enforce no parking and to enforce blatant violation of motor vehicle laws (running red lights, not yielding on left-hand turns, double parking their armored car, UPS/Fed Express truck etc.); and
(4) requiring business deliveries to the late-night/early morning hours safety and increased traffic flow.

So something can be done with our perceived traffic problem. Just do not keep drinking the uncontrolled growth kool-aid and say our collective hands are tied. Oh, the other solution is to elect new leaders who feel our pain and will look out for our interest too.
Escape CA

Los Angeles, CA

#8 Dec 5, 2009
a bunch of new condos with all the extra cars that go with em, etc., make the environment less desirable to walk through. no brainer.

also, cutting down those nice trees simply made the walking less nice.

raising parking fees is going to discourage people from out of town to shop in old towne.

this is what I mean by Pasadena ruining itself. it's not rocket science. and it all goes back to over-development.
GreenTea

Ventura, CA

#9 Dec 5, 2009
The culprit is the subleasing of bedrooms/guest houses by residents. How can a home have 3 cars in a driveway and 2 parked in front for instance? And all u see is an old lady getting her mail. Many people are leasing out their spare bedrooms, guest home, converting garages or closets.
If one house per block does it, multiply it by hundreds of blocks and you got thousands more people in the city and all those extra cars.

I live in the suburbs for two decades and always know someone who's living in a tiny bedroom or closet. There should be a law like in San Marino where only one family is allowed per property. But then again I knew people who rented out the guest house or illegally converted garages, hmp!
Roger

Monrovia, CA

#10 Dec 5, 2009
What are Pasadena residents thinking? There are nearly 110,000 cars registered in Pasadena with 145K population and 52k households. That is about 2+ cars per household, 0.8 car per person (including toddlers)!

Unless YOU are willing to give up driving, don't blame anyone for bad traffic. You deserve to be stuck in traffic
Jeff

Anaheim, CA

#11 Dec 5, 2009
They really should look into timing the lights on some of the longer boulevards so once you hit one green light, you should have a green for at least a few blocks. They really should do it in downtown LA too. It is completely inefficient to make traffic stop at every light, or have traffic backed up for 3 blocks because one light is taking too long to change!
LDT

Monrovia, CA

#12 Dec 6, 2009
There's a city to the South that could extract a digit and allow a freeway through... Just a thought.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#13 Dec 6, 2009
LDT wrote:
There's a city to the South that could extract a digit and allow a freeway through... Just a thought.
While that would help people go south from Pasadena, the reality is it will generate a tremendous amount of traffic into the area. Before the 210 went in obviously no freeway and minimal traffic in the morning going West through town. Now it is a packed freeway.
Tim

Encino, CA

#14 Dec 6, 2009
Roger wrote:
What are Pasadena residents thinking? There are nearly 110,000 cars registered in Pasadena with 145K population and 52k households. That is about 2+ cars per household, 0.8 car per person (including toddlers)!
Unless YOU are willing to give up driving, don't blame anyone for bad traffic. You deserve to be stuck in traffic
The problem is that the vast majority of Pasadena residents WANT to keep driving, but city hall is constantly trying to fight this with stop signs, barriers, etc. City hall has done nothing to alleviate traffic flow. When is City hall going to listen to it's residents?

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#15 Dec 6, 2009
Tim wrote:
<quoted text>
When is City hall going to listen to it's residents?
When the residents wake and vote these people out of office. Same for the state and federal level.
Roger

Monrovia, CA

#16 Dec 6, 2009
Tim wrote:
<quoted text>
The problem is that the vast majority of Pasadena residents WANT to keep driving, but city hall is constantly trying to fight this with stop signs, barriers, etc. City hall has done nothing to alleviate traffic flow. When is City hall going to listen to it's residents?
you must not hear the other half of people want the city to do everything to slow down cars. bunch whiners.
STARCHY

Moreno Valley, CA

#17 Aug 26, 2010
no no no its GONDOLAS !!!

steel buckets in the sky
pick me up and let me fly
riding up - we pass on by
aint no way we gonna die

Gondola
Gondola

wash your hands don't eat granola
you might catch the dam ebola

gondola
gondola
Liqurious

Los Angeles, CA

#18 Aug 26, 2010
no no no its CABLE CARS !!!
The loveliness of Paris
Seems somehow sadly gay
The glory that was Rome
Is of another day
I've been terribly alone
And forgotten in Manhattan
I'm going home to my city by LA.
I left my heart in Pasadena
Beneath a hill, it calls to me.
To be where little cable cars
Crawl past all of the bars!
The morning sun will fill the air
I don't care!
My love waits there in Pasadena
Above the blue and windy sea
When I come home to you, Pasadena,
Your golden sun will shine for me!
STARCHY wrote:
no no no its GONDOLAS !!!
steel buckets in the sky
pick me up and let me fly
riding up - we pass on by
aint no way we gonna die
Gondola
Gondola
wash your hands don't eat granola
you might catch the dam ebola
gondola
gondola

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