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Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Since: Nov 12

Sacramento, CA

#232533 Sep 9, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
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America has NEVER been a Christian country and everyone is born an Atheist.
She never said America is Christian country. atheism is the rejection of theism, or the idea of the existence of god/gods. That’s really it. To be an atheist (that is, to reject the concept of the supernatural or divine) one must first be capable of comprehending what the supernatural or divine is; we need to have an understanding of theism in order to decide that it is worth rejecting. Such a mental process is beyond that of an infant, and runs contrary to the idea of tabula rasa (the blank slate).

In short, babies cannot be atheists. Because babies cannot comprehend the idea of a theist in order to add the ‘a’ to it.

We are not born anything.
Sgt Peppers

Gardnerville, NV

#232535 Sep 9, 2014
Awe contrare. You are a born idiot. A Christian is a person who suspects that somewhere, somebody might be enjoying themselves, and they must be found and stopped.
Dmn fools

La Puente, CA

#232536 Sep 9, 2014
Quick get me a bible so I can join in on the idiots convention of bible thumpers.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

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#232537 Sep 10, 2014
Dmn fools wrote:
Quick get me a bible so I can join in on the idiots convention of bible thumpers.
Good, start at the beginning:

This isn't complicated, I simply asked how the recently understood details of the big bang theory confirm what the Bible noted thousands of years ago. How did they get in there?

Genesis 1:1-5 (NASB)
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Here we have science confirming what the very first verse of the Bible states: There was a specific moment when the heavens and earth were created.

Interestingly, the article YOU referenced noted that there are likely additional universes in existence, something also predated by the Bible speaking of Heaven and Hell.

2 The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.

This verse notes that initially the earth was without form. Wow, NAILED that fact!

But get this! It notes two even more profound facts:

~The three most common elements are Helium, Nitrogen and Oxygen. "The Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters."

~"Darkness was over the surface of the deep." The article notes that light was restrained for hundreds of thousands of years!

"For the first 380,000 years or so, the universe was essentially too hot for light to shine. The heat of creation smashed atoms together with enough force to break them up into a dense plasma, an opaque soup of protons, neutrons and electrons that scattered light like fog."

3 Then God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light.
4 God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness.
5 God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

If you can't explain this, then simply say so, but I really expected a 'new age spiritual LEADER' to have a better grip on this...

Oh, something to think about down the road. The article notes the possibility that the universe could one day RETRACT! Something the Bible already noted...

http://www.space.com/52-the-expanding-univers...

Smile.
thumper

La Puente, CA

#232538 Sep 10, 2014
Quick get me two bibles so I can join in on the idiots convention of bible thumpers.
kstet

San Diego, CA

#232539 Sep 10, 2014
Gays would watch america go off a cliff for gay marriage

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#232540 Sep 10, 2014
Cali Girl 2014dal ct wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not massaging my ego. As if
you bother me? I just think you
don't respect women. That's
your problem. Just like I don't
tell others what to say to posters.
BTW, you are far from a Santa
type....
I guess I really ruffled your feathers didn't I. So now, tell me I didn't, and can't, ruffle your feathers.

This is not how I see women, this is how your BibleGod sees women, this is not me saying this, it is your God saying this, please pay attention this time:

"...and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee (Genesis 3:16)."

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man;....(1 Cor. 11:3)."

"Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man (1 Cor. 11:9)."

"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husband, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife.... Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husband in every thing (Eph. 5:22-24)."

Your complaint is with God not me. I would never write stupid stuff like that, your God wrote that stupid stuff. And there is a whole lot more stupid stuff where that came from.

Eve, for example, is blamed for the creation of Original Sin. The Bible says as much:

"For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner (1 Tim. 2:12-14, NIV)."

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#232541 Sep 10, 2014
Cali Girl 2014dal ct wrote:
<quoted text>
BTW, you are far from a Santa
type....
You got that from the handful of Bible verses I posted? Amazing.

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#232542 Sep 10, 2014
Cali Girl 2014dal ct wrote:
<quoted text>
Open your eyes.
To be a Christian one must be extremely poor--as poor as the proverbial church mouse. The Bible makes this quite clear:

"...none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up everything he has" Luke 14:33
"If you want to be perfect, go and sell all you have and give the money to the poor and you will have riches in heaven" Matt. 19:21
"Sell your possessions and give alms" Luke 12:33
"But give what is in your cups and plates to the poor, and everything will be clean for you" Luke 11:41
"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt,.... But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven.... for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also" Matt. 6:19-21
"How hardly shall they that have riches enter to the kingdom of God" Mark 10:23
"Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" Matt. 19:23-24
A certain ruler told Jesus that he had obeyed all the commandments from his youth up. But, Jesus said, "Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me" Luke 18:22, Mark 10:21

I have never seen a real Christian.

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#232543 Sep 10, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
The fabric of this country has been Christianity. It motivated it's conception and guided it's character.
You are exactly right, but that is something to be ashamed of not proud of.

"Then thou shalt take an awl, and thrust it through his ear unto the door, and he shall be thy servant for ever. And also unto thy maidservant thou shalt do likewise (Deut. 15:17, KJV)."

"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and you can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly ( Lev. 25:44-46, NIV)."

"If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property (Ex. 21:20-21, NIV)."

"I (the Lord) will sell your sons and daughters to the people of Judah, and they will sell them to the Sabeans, a nation far away (Joel 3:8, NIV)"

"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men....(Eph. 6:5-7, NIV)."

"All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered (1 Tim. 6:1, NIV)."

"Slaves, obey your earthy masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord (Col. 3:22, NIV)."

"Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them,....(Titus 2:9, NIV)."

"Slaves, submit yourselves to your master with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also those who are harsh....Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps (1 Peter 2:18,21, NIV)."

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#232544 Sep 10, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
The more society moves from that fabric, the more the fabric of society unravels.
.
I am dedicated to destroying the "fabric" of Christianity in America because the more it "unravels" the more freedom there is for minorities. Your Christianity has stood in the way of freedom for 2,000 years and I can't tell you enough how happy I am to help hammer nails into Christianities coffin. Christianity is an abomination, it is a crime against humanity.

Song 5:4 "My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him."

Did you really read that to children in Sunday School?

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#232545 Sep 10, 2014
Cali Girl 2014dal ct wrote:
<quoted text>
That's untrue! You are born with
no knowledge of God, true. But
to say when you are born an Atheist
or non believer, is BS. How can you
say that, when you are born with no
knowledge of anything, let alone
being a Christian or Atheist!
Please read your own confusing contradictory words. An Atheist is someone who does not believe in God and you admit that when we are all born we lack any knowledge of God. Therefore by your own words, we are all born Atheists.

You just attach a lot of baggage to the word Atheist that doesn't belong.

All knowledge of God comes from people telling us God exists. It is all hearsay. If there was such a thing as God it would be a simple thing to prove it. Yet it can't be proven, you just have to believe it, or not.

Why do you hate me for not believing your God exists? I don't hate you because you do not believe in the Pink Unicorn or the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

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#232546 Sep 10, 2014
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not here to write a book. Each verse should be read from the book it is in as a whole. Many times people have explained the meaning and you ignore it and go on to the next verse. Just to explain one of these verses might take a long response. Do you understand why people don't want to do that with you? This topic is not about getting you off on your hate. Nobody is trying to convert you, show some respect for others.
I understood that if you could refute me, you would not be able to type fast enough to do so. Therefore the only logical conclusion is that you can't. I am fully verses in the artistic deception of apologetics and I am not interested in discussing any thing like, "well it could have been", "what God might be saying is..." etc.

What is the point in dealing with 'could have' and 'might'?

Do you read the Bible to children?

Deut. 23:1-2 "He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD. A bastard shall not enter ..."

2 Kings 18:27 "... that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you."

Prov. 5:19 "... let her breasts satisfy thee at all times;..."

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#232547 Sep 10, 2014
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>She never said America is Christian country. atheism is the rejection of theism, or the idea of the existence of god/gods. That’s really it. To be an atheist (that is, to reject the concept of the supernatural or divine) one must first be capable of comprehending what the supernatural or divine is; we need to have an understanding of theism in order to decide that it is worth rejecting. Such a mental process is beyond that of an infant, and runs contrary to the idea of tabula rasa (the blank slate).
In short, babies cannot be atheists. Because babies cannot comprehend the idea of a theist in order to add the ‘a’ to it.
We are not born anything.
You are as inconsistent as she is. You have this baggage attached to the word Atheist which prevents you from agreeing with me while at the same time agreeing with me. Just look at your post.

We are born something but we are not born believing in anything. Atheism is a lack of beliefs, the word you should start using, if you wish to be accurate is Anti-theist, which is what I am.

I was born an Atheist like all people are, and your mommy told you there was a God and you believed her. When I was told there was a God I didn't like the people telling me that and I became an Anti-theist. Anti-theism is the belief that there is no such thing as God.

Words mean things and if you can't use them correctly then why should I respond to you?

Song 1:13 "A bundle of myrrh is my well beloved unto me; he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts."

Song 4:5 "Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins, which feed among the lilies."

Song 8:10 "I am a wall, and my breasts like towers:..."

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#232548 Sep 10, 2014
Sgt Peppers wrote:
Awe contrare. You are a born idiot. A Christian is a person who suspects that somewhere, somebody might be enjoying themselves, and they must be found and stopped.
I find that to be both objective and accurate. Good post.

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#232549 Sep 10, 2014
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
Genesis 1:1-5 (NASB)
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
.
If the heavens and the earth need a creator, then who created God? And if God can always have existed then so can the Universe have always existed with out any creator.

The question of whether or not the Bible is scientifically valid has been debated for hundreds of years by critics and supporters alike. Biblicists have contended the book not only supports science but contains many statements that are ahead of their time. The Bible supposedly has great scientific wisdom and only now are we beginning to realize as much. Critics, such as myself, believe the Bible is its own worst enemy. From our perspective there are more than enough statements contained therein to forestall any claims to scientific precision. Indeed, many statements clearly belong in the realm of mythology and folklore, while others are simply false. Some are so vague it's difficult to know what is meant, so naturally, biblicists choose the more scientifically oriented interpretation. Those believing the Bible to be scientifically precise and wise beyond its years should read, digest, and remember the following assertions contained within its covers:

The bat is a bird (Lev. 11:19, Deut. 14:11, 18);
Some fowls are four-footed (Lev. 11:20-21);
Some creeping insects have four legs.(Lev. 11:22-23);
Hares chew the cud (Lev. 11:6);
Conies chew the cud (Lev. 11:5);
Camels don't divide the hoof (Lev. 11:4);
The earth was formed out of and by means of water (2 Peter 3:5 RSV);
The earth rest on pillars (1 Sam. 2:8);
The earth won't be moved (1Chron. 16:30);
A hare does not divide the hoof (Deut. 14:7);
The rainbow is not as old as rain and sunshine (Gen. 9:13);
A mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds and grows into the greatest of all shrubs (Matt. 13:31-32 RSV);
Turtles have voices (Song of Sol. 2:12);
The earth has ends or edges (Job 37:3);
The earth has four corners (Isa. 11:12, Rev. 7:1);
Some 4-legged animals fly (Lev. 11:21);
The world's language didn't evolve but appeared suddenly (Gen. 11:6-9; and
A fetus can understand speech (Luke 1:44).
Maximus Vacavillius

Alamo, CA

#232550 Sep 10, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>
If the heavens and the earth need a creator, then who created God? And if God can always have existed then so can the Universe have always existed with out any creator.
The question of whether or not the Bible is scientifically valid has been debated for hundreds of years by critics and supporters alike. Biblicists have contended the book not only supports science but contains many statements that are ahead of their time. The Bible supposedly has great scientific wisdom and only now are we beginning to realize as much. Critics, such as myself, believe the Bible is its own worst enemy. From our perspective there are more than enough statements contained therein to forestall any claims to scientific precision. Indeed, many statements clearly belong in the realm of mythology and folklore, while others are simply false. Some are so vague it's difficult to know what is meant, so naturally, biblicists choose the more scientifically oriented interpretation. Those believing the Bible to be scientifically precise and wise beyond its years should read, digest, and remember the following assertions contained within its covers:
The bat is a bird (Lev. 11:19, Deut. 14:11, 18);
Some fowls are four-footed (Lev. 11:20-21);
Some creeping insects have four legs.(Lev. 11:22-23);
Hares chew the cud (Lev. 11:6);
Conies chew the cud (Lev. 11:5);
Camels don't divide the hoof (Lev. 11:4);
The earth was formed out of and by means of water (2 Peter 3:5 RSV);
The earth rest on pillars (1 Sam. 2:8);
The earth won't be moved (1Chron. 16:30);
A hare does not divide the hoof (Deut. 14:7);
The rainbow is not as old as rain and sunshine (Gen. 9:13);
A mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds and grows into the greatest of all shrubs (Matt. 13:31-32 RSV);
Turtles have voices (Song of Sol. 2:12);
The earth has ends or edges (Job 37:3);
The earth has four corners (Isa. 11:12, Rev. 7:1);
Some 4-legged animals fly (Lev. 11:21);
The world's language didn't evolve but appeared suddenly (Gen. 11:6-9; and
A fetus can understand speech (Luke 1:44).
Off topic.

God is alive and with us!

Gen 1:1 contains all we need to know: 1. in the beginning, God created heaven and earth.

Amen and Amen!

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#232551 Sep 10, 2014
Maximus Vacavillius wrote:
<quoted text>Off topic.
God is alive and with us!
Gen 1:1 contains all we need to know: 1. in the beginning,
(1) "And God said, Let there be light" (Gen. 1:3) and "...And the evening and the morning were the first day" (Gen. 1:5), versus "And God said,'Let there be light in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night....' "And God made two lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.... And the evening and morning were the fourth day" (Gen. 1:14-19).
(a) God created light on the first day; yet there were no moon, sun or stars until the fourth day;
(b) how could it be known when the first three days ended if there was no sun until the fourth day?; and
(c) How could morning be distinguished from evening, if the sun and the moon were yet to be created?

(2) "And God said,'Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yeilding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind.... And the evening and the morning were the third day" (Gen. 1:11-13), versus "And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also" (Gen. 1:16), and "the evening and the morning were the fourth day" (Gen. 1:19). Vegetation was created on the third day; yet there was no sun for the photosynthesis until the fourth day.

(3) " In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth" (Gen. 1:1), and"... the evening and the morning were the first day" (Gen.1:5), versus "And God made two great lights; and the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also" (Gen. 1:16) and the evening and the morning were the fourth day" (Gen. 1:19).
(a) According to biblical "science", the earth was created 3 days before the sun, the moon and the stars;
(b) Scientists say there are many stars whose light takes millions of years to reach the earth. How, then, could they be 6,000 to 8,000 years old as many Christians allege?

(4) "And God said,'Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind...' And the evening and the morning were the third day" (Gen. 1:11-13), versus "And God said,'Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life... And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly.... And the evening and the morning were the fifth day" (Gen.1:20-23). Genesis says that life existed first on the land as plants and later the seas teemed with living creatures. Geological science says that the sea teemed with animals and vegetable life long before life appeared on land.

(5) " So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds,and every winged bird according to its kind.... And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day" (Gen. 1:21-23 RSV). Geological science says fishes appeared long before the birds. They were not created during the same day or period.

(6) "And God created...every winged fowl after his kind...." (Gen. 1-21) and "And the evening and the morning were the fifth day" (Gen. 1:23), versus "And God made the beast of the earth... and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind...." (Gen. 1-25), and "... the evening and the morning were the sixth day" (Gen. 1:31). Science says creeping reptiles appeared on the earth before the fowl, not afterwards.

(7) "And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, the beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made...every thing that creepth upon the earth after his kind...." (Gen. 1:24-25). Science contends that reptiles were created long before mammals, not simultaneously. While reptiles existed in the Carboniferous Age, mammals did not appear until the close of the Reptilian Age.

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#232552 Sep 10, 2014
(8) "And God said,'Let the water bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven" (Gen. 1:20). Birds did not emerge from water.

(9) "So God created man in his own image,...male and female created he them" (Gen. 1:27), and "the evening and the morning were the sixth day" (Gen. 1:31). If Adam was created on the 6th day, approximately 6,000 years ago (Bishop Usher's calculations), then nobody lived before 4,000 B.C. Prehistoric men would be fictitious. By tracing the genealogy of Jesus back 77 generations to Adam, the third chapter of Luke also supports belief in a very young earth. If each man had lived approximately 100 years, then the world would be no more than 9,684 (7,700 + 1984) years old. If each of Jesus' ancestors had lived to be 1,000 years old (an age not even reached by Methuselah), the earth would still be only 78,984 (77,000 + 1984) years old, according to creationists.

(10) "And to every beast of the earth, and every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so" (Gen. 1:30). Carnivorous beasts and fowl do not eat green herbs.

(11) "And God saw everything that he had made...." (Gen. 1:31) and "on the seventh day God ended his work" (Gen. 2:2). Scientifically speaking, unless God had male organs or attributes, it is difficult to see how God could be masculine.

(12) "And out of the ground the Lord formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and bought them to Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof" (Gen. 2:19). Environmentally speaking, how could every living creature be brought to any spot in the Middle East or elsewhere without many animals dying because of climatic changes and other factors?

(13) "And Lord God said unto the serpent,'Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt eat all the days of thy life'..." (Gen. 3:14). If the serpent was a snake, snake-like, or reptilian in character and condemned to crawl upon its belly, how did it move before? And does science know of any serpent that eats dust?
Cali Girl 2014dal ct

Murrieta, CA

#232553 Sep 10, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
<quoted text>To be a Christian one must be extremely poor--as poor as the proverbial church mouse. The Bible makes this quite clear:

"...none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up everything he has" Luke 14:33
"If you want to be perfect, go and sell all you have and give the money to the poor and you will have riches in heaven" Matt. 19:21
"Sell your possessions and give alms" Luke 12:33
"But give what is in your cups and plates to the poor, and everything will be clean for you" Luke 11:41
"Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt,.... But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven.... for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also" Matt. 6:19-21
"How hardly shall they that have riches enter to the kingdom of God" Mark 10:23
"Truly, I say to you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God" Matt. 19:23-24
A certain ruler told Jesus that he had obeyed all the commandments from his youth up. But, Jesus said, "Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me" Luke 18:22, Mark 10:21

I have never seen a real Christian.
Yes,you have!

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