Say no to the DeKalb-Lee wind farm

[Mr Kevin]

The thing is wind farms don't displace that much farmland. Much like electrical towers, crops can surround them. Go look at the ones in place.

There are now thousands of windmills in place across America, and citing one example in N.Y. doesn't make the entire industry bad. I looked for other bad examples and found none.

Conservation is un-American. We are a great country because we find ways to enhance our lives, not decrease it. If I want to use five times as much electricity as my neighbor, can afford it, and am willing to pay for it, why shouldn't I? If a company wants to make a profit selling that electricity to me, why can't they?

If I choose to drive 100,000 miles per year because I like to drive, why shouldn't I be able to? If I can't then capitalism doesn't work and we should embrace socialism, as someone else gets to decide what energy you are allowed to use.

[icare]

OH my god! "Prime ag land sitting empty" are you fing crazy? Um they were full before corn based ethonal! Cripes! Way to go Mr Rochelle, you just showed your capacity to have a reasonable discusion, zero.

[icare]

Just passed the windmills in lee county yesturday........ 2/3 of them not running. Same on sunday. Oh yeah we need more of those!

[icare]

Mr Kevin, do you eat at home or do you drive somewhere to get every meal? No wonder we are running out of oil. It's all your fault. It's all been used up by Mr anti conservation. Now I'm no saint by far but I know I'm not trying to unconserve America. Why use more? Because you can? To keep up with other nations uses. Man your insane. Stop playing Sim City!

[Mr Kevin]

icare, you got me there. I have often seen the Lee County windmills not running and wonder why. It would be nice to get the answer, it might sway my opinion.

Not sure where I eat my food has to do with it, but we rarely eat out, mostly we eat at home. My point about using oil has to do with capitalism and ultimately what our country was found on. Conservationists want to DICTATE how much energy we can use. The free market is what America was founded on. As a resource gets scarce the price rises, forcing people to stop consuming so much, or use ingenuity to find an alternative.

Conservationists want to force a decline in our lifestyle by "cutting back" or "sacrificing". It is my right as an American to use as much electricity in my home or gas in my car as I choose. Free will. The consequences are financial, as long as I can afford it, it is my RIGHT under the constitution to consume whatever I want whenever I want.

People who believe otherwise are a threat to our freedom and liberty. Electricity and gasoline are no different than any other consumer item. Are you going to tell me I can only have two pair of shoes, or attend only 5 White Sox games? Of course not, that would be foolish, now wouldn't it?

[icare]

Mr. Kevin, that was (for you) a conservastive post. Very well put. For a while there you were making me think you were purposely wasting energy. You are right that you can if you want to. But I think it doesn't hurt to cut back where you can. I think the windmills are a waste of money and won't solve any problems. Conservation is good but you can't force people to do it. Maybe stop someone who is carelessly wasting for the greater good. I.E. unused windmills in lee county.

[MrRochelle]

icare, the ethanol market has totally screwed up the grain market. How many leases of land turned into big bucks after the ethanol craze hit? How many farmers planted in new places when the ethanol craze hit? How many ethanol plants have closed, been stopped halfway through construction, or have had projects killed? Prices on everything went up, if the demand goes down its going to have impact on what crops will be grown and if anything will be grown.

[caringfarmer]

Is this post still active? I sure hope it is. You guys.... I don't know wether to laugh or cry. Mr. Kevin... the land owners in NY got hosed. Piss poor contracts. Next... "the land values will go down" well, all you cidiots have done that, we didn't want you out here to begn with. The land value will go down? Gee... were you planning to farm it or "sub-divide it for housing" make up your mind which side of the fence you are going to stand on.

No wind towers... OK, then let's build another nuke plant in place of the wind farm. Choice is yours. Oh, by the way.... when they bring in the nuke plant... the will most likely just take your property for less than you paid.

I love all the arguements about wind.... most are just a bunch of hot air. icar... the turbins weren't turning most likely because we were off peak.... low demand. Can't store it. There are several other possibilities but this is the most common of reasons.

And let's not forget the noise... it's terrible! Oh, wait! I can't hear the turbin!(even when your mouth IS shut!) I live and work around wind towers daily.... personaly, I've got no problem with a few hundred more.(I'd rather have more of them than more of you!)

If you want a serious debate... anytime! But you better bring your fact sheet.

[caringfarmer]

Sorry, I failed to mention one other little tid bit about the westward urban spral. It about to hit a wall.... or should I say "flood plain". That's right. Most of this beautiful farm land your talking about building houses on is a giant drainage field. A hudred years ago it was a swamp like bog. This was the single biggest project ever done by the Corp of Engineers. The water is drained with underground tile and pumped out year round. And it never ends.... there is a crew that dredges out the canals. when they finish, they start over.
And you can't just build a house anywhere out here. Zoning and all that. You don't want the wind towers and we don't want you. Why don't you all turn around and go build somewhere else. There now, wasn't that easy? Problem solved and we're all happy.

[icare]

Ok, so you have been around windmills. But, you obviously are ignorant to builders and developers. Zoning is a joke! They will build where they want to period. Dell Webb in Huntley is sitting on/in a swamp. There are hundreds of homes there. I'm not building, we live in a 100 yr old farm house. I like the arguement that windmills will stop subdivisions. No,nothing stops new housing but bad credit. We do not need more electric here. Cities that have over populated themselves need it. Look, it goes all the way back to immigration, illeagals come here and buy up the old crappy houses in town and destroy yhe neighborhoods. The sellers move out and into a brand new subdivision that used to be a corn field. Population explodes and we need more electricity! Look what has happened now. Bankers quit giving loans to everyone that walks in the door, illegalls stopped comming or went home housing hit the brakes. Windmills make people feel good. Especially when they come in and buy out the local city people who care less about there neihbors. They didn't want the noisy toll both in their back yard, guess where it went. Now who's NIMBY?

[popepaul]

Build the windmills for Gods sake.
Its natural.

What the hell is the big problem?

Oh, gee, I forgot some "poor" farmer might lose value on his land for future use?

Bullshit. The government has subsidized these whiners for so lon they cant pull away from the government teat.

Wake up. You millionaire farmers need to quit your godamn whining and either sell out or farm the land and shut up.

You are rich beyond the wildest dreams of most Americans and most of you inherited it. You did not "earn" it.
So cut the crap.
Sell out move to Florida and live like a king even though you never really earnrd it, or shut the shit up.

Farmers are the biggest whiners in the USA.

[icare]

The only profit in farming is the land. Sellout farmers and exploding population are the main problems. When you can't make a decent living with the crops it's little wonder farms get sold for millions. Um, you need food before giant million dollar windmills. Not to mention that most of the landowners who want the windmills are out of state landowners or struggling farmers. Natural windmills? GIVE ME A BREAK! 133 mills at over 1 million each come on. Dekalb county has a surplus of electric. We do not need them and you can bet they won't shut down the nuke plant after they are in. Thanks big cities and and greedy local gov. for ramming these things down our throats. If you were born in raised in a city you will simply never understand. How would you like it if we came to town, bulldozed half of it and planted corn? Oh no, where would you put your starbucks? Where would you sit and drink 5 dollar coffee and talk about how to save the earth?

[karen]

shabbonares wrote:

I did not move here for a windfarm landscape.
I wanted the farm style scapes, and if you would like a tower in your yard please feel free to contact FLP

And did you require your farming neighbors to sign a document that they would NEVER EVER sign away their precious farms to a developer? That Farmer Joe wouldn't take the $$$ & run to AZ to drink mai tais poolside while you would be left with 1800 unit housing developments, stripmalls, etc.? No, you didn't. I'd rather have a windfarm than the stuff I just mentioned, which is exactly what is going on throughout IL.

[icare]

Stop both!

[phew]

Build the windfarms if that will help our country.
Quit the non stop whining about NIMBY.
If it is good for the economy, the USA and the farmer piss on the rest of the whiners.
You will never satisfy these freaks of nature.

[love it]

icare, sounds like you don't care about anything but yourself! by the way they are almost done with the new windfarm.

[dolly]

what is wrong with a stripmall or a windfarms ?? this is Not 1960s or 70 we need this stuff to move on

[icare]

You should see how much farm land they have destroyed. In real life it is way more than their map showed with little lines drawn on it. Thousands of acres of crops will no longer be planted in this area so that more people on the east coast can plug in their i pods, cell phones etc. Crops feed people and animals and now there is less to go around. Please tell me how having less crops is better than more elctricity consumption. This all stems from overpopulation and then illeagal immigration......... Ok, then you have global warming. Don't plants and trees produce oxygen? If people want to swarm this country then we will need more crops not less. Put the wind farms in Mexico.

[icare]

You should see how much farmland they have destroyed. The little lines they drew on the maps they presented really didn't do justice. Those crops will never again feed people or animals. Only provide more electric for the east coast so that more people can plug in their i pods, cell phones etc. This is all related to over population of this country which relates to illegal immigration. With more people swarming this country we need more food. What about global warming? Don't plant produce oxygen? You see, many people overlook the ill effects of something that sounds happy at first. Oh, and farmers will burn more fuel farming around these things. How green is that? Imagine the thousands of extra gallons of deisel that will be burned over the years every time the farmer has to stop, pick up implemant, go around, drop implemant, and continue. They used to go in a straight line.

[windy]

Icare, you think the roads put in for the turbines will destroy the farmland...it splits up the field, but I have been at several sites so watch and see how much the farmer uses this road for there trucks and equipment, and I bet on a wet year like this they don't mind that road at all to be able to harvest ther crop do they.