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Andrea

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#22
Nov 3, 2012
 
Annuit Coeptis wrote:
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I can tell you what I think I know...
1. the District has not added any teacher positions just to cover additional students from open enrollment.
2. the District accepts open enrollment students if there is a spot for them, where ever that spot might be...take it or leave it.
3. the District cannot by law transport these students - they must get here and home on their own every day.
4. "Robin Hood" allows the District to keep tax revenue generated by each student (tax rate times $476,500/100). So, the more students you have, the more tax revenue you get to tax and keep in deer park.
5. Open enrollment students have "saved" the District about $50 million over the past 10 years. Yes, they cost money to educate - no kid is free to educate - but they have produced more variable revenue than they have created in variable costs. DPISd has profited from these kids.
6. According to District information, open enrollment students have fewer disciplinary referrals and comparable or better test scores than in district students (usually after a year or two in the district).
So, what exactly is everyone's problem with open enrollment? Aside from the fact that they absolutely do not understand it at all...
Look, I may not be right on the money, but I pay attention to things, so I bet I am close to the bullseye here...
Ahh this explains the overcrowding I hear teachers complain about. Ironically I have a bunch of teacher friends one of them told me her class size has grown so much she finds it difficult to manage and teach them all. The teachers are strained and overcrowding doesn't promote a good learning environment. The smaller the class size the easier it is to manage and teach them. Kids have complained about this as well. Many parents that I've spoke with over the years don't like the open enrollment. They feel that Deer Park schools should be for Deer Park residents only. It's as simple as that. You know like it was back in the day. There was nothing wrong with the way it used to be. The only thing wrong was they needed more money. It's always boils down to money. On the other hand, I know a few parents who's kids are in our schools and would hate to move their kids back. The overcrowding is my only concern.

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#23
Nov 3, 2012
 
What do you do about the ones that live in the city of DP but it's LPISD? Why do they have to open enroll? I had to do that for mine but my address is still Deer Park. They need to redraw the lines and put the right schools in the right city. College Park and Heritage are both LPISD but in the city of Deer Park. I don't get it. Yes all the schools are over crowded but they need to correct the school and the city lines.
Andrea

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#24
Nov 4, 2012
 
Imwild1 wrote:
What do you do about the ones that live in the city of DP but it's LPISD? Why do they have to open enroll? I had to do that for mine but my address is still Deer Park. They need to redraw the lines and put the right schools in the right city. College Park and Heritage are both LPISD but in the city of Deer Park. I don't get it. Yes all the schools are over crowded but they need to correct the school and the city lines.
Our school district boundary and city boundary are not one in the same. DPISD extends into Pasadena on up to Highlands. If they redrew the boundary they would have to be careful not to leave out the big players. http://proximityone.com/sd/48/m4816530.htm
I believe when parents are referring to stopping open enrollment they are talking about kids that live outside of the school boundary and outside Deer Park city limits.
cowboy

Missouri City, TX

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#25
Nov 4, 2012
 
Deer Park should be Deer Park Schools, La Porte should be La Porte Schools etc. Its time to get schols back into their city boundries, anything else is just stupid & crazy.

Perhaps if this happened Deer Park might not be giving so much money out to Robin Hood and his merry men.
Weegi

Houston, TX

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Nov 4, 2012
 

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I was at the meeting held at Bonnette Junior High when district officials told the public THEY decided to go with open enrollment. DPISD had already gotten a tax increase and 50 million in bonds passed, and still needed more money, and didn't want to burden the tax payer with another tax increase. Arnold Adair said this.
While I am sitting in the cafeteria listening to him talk I am also looking at all of the TVs mounted in the cafeteria and thinking there are more TVs in this room than I have gone through in 18 years of marriage. Also, the TVs were covered with dust.
One of my problems with open enrollment is when the district wants to build a new school, administration building, pressbox or remodel, it is done with bond money. To pay for the bonds the homeowner gets a property tax increase. Now open enrollment kids come over to DP and get to use these new and wonderful facilities and don't have to pay a dime to do so. Their property tax money does not come with them.

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#27
Nov 4, 2012
 
Wow I looked at the district map and man are they way off. I can't believe it goes out that far to same places. They really do need to do something about this.
Annuit Coeptis

Pasadena, TX

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#28
Nov 5, 2012
 
Weegi wrote:
I was at the meeting held at Bonnette Junior High when district officials told the public THEY decided to go with open enrollment. DPISD had already gotten a tax increase and 50 million in bonds passed, and still needed more money, and didn't want to burden the tax payer with another tax increase. Arnold Adair said this.
While I am sitting in the cafeteria listening to him talk I am also looking at all of the TVs mounted in the cafeteria and thinking there are more TVs in this room than I have gone through in 18 years of marriage. Also, the TVs were covered with dust.
One of my problems with open enrollment is when the district wants to build a new school, administration building, pressbox or remodel, it is done with bond money. To pay for the bonds the homeowner gets a property tax increase. Now open enrollment kids come over to DP and get to use these new and wonderful facilities and don't have to pay a dime to do so. Their property tax money does not come with them.
Hey weegi,
Wake up, stoner. Open enrollment students create additional sate funding to DPISD, and also allow the district to reason more local tax revenue / give away less to Robin Hood. So they generate plenty of money to cover their costs. I you charge these students tuition, you give up the state funding and local money that would otherwise go to Robin Hood. And their home district loses state funding and maybe even has to give more to Robin Hood when they come here. So your last sentence is, for all practical purposes, inaccurate.
Jeez, you don't even know how it works, but you have problems with it anyway. How bright are you?
AC
Weegi

Houston, TX

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#29
Nov 5, 2012
 
Annuit Coeptis wrote:
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Hey weegi,
Wake up, stoner. Open enrollment students create additional sate funding to DPISD, and also allow the district to reason more local tax revenue / give away less to Robin Hood. So they generate plenty of money to cover their costs. I you charge these students tuition, you give up the state funding and local money that would otherwise go to Robin Hood. And their home district loses state funding and maybe even has to give more to Robin Hood when they come here. So your last sentence is, for all practical purposes, inaccurate.
Jeez, you don't even know how it works, but you have problems with it anyway. How bright are you?
AC
Hey AC,
I understand DPISD gets an exact amount of dollars for each child enrolled from the state of Texas. Not just from the open enrollment kids.
Robin Hood is based on a school districts property tax revenue. Deer Park is considered a rich district because of it's tax rate and therefor has to share it's tax revenues with a poor district. This method of sharing the wealth is not fair because the school districts are not on a level playing field. The school districts should start with the same tax base.
DPISD likes to get the voters to pass bonds. Bond money does not have to be shared with other school districts. This way they have the property owner on the hook for the next 15 or 20 years to get the improvements they want done. DPISD has enough employees living in the city that will vote to approve any tax increase they want. If open enrollment is such a money maker, why is DPISD once again coming to the property owner for more money? This will be a property tax increase which means they will have to share the money. If the school budget is say 2 million short, how do I know DPISD won't ask for 3 million to cover what they need and what they will have to give away?
You are a a**hole.
Momof4

Birmingham, AL

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#30
Nov 6, 2012
 
I think Imwild1 has a very good point, re-draw the district lines and only students with a DP address go to DPISD.

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

De Leon, TX

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#31
Nov 6, 2012
 
That would be a municipal school district. You could do away with the school board and city council could run the schools. That's a great idea.
Annuit Coeptis

Deer Park, TX

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#32
Nov 9, 2012
 
Weegi wrote:
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Hey AC,
I understand DPISD gets an exact amount of dollars for each child enrolled from the state of Texas. Not just from the open enrollment kids.
Robin Hood is based on a school districts property tax revenue. Deer Park is considered a rich district because of it's tax rate and therefor has to share it's tax revenues with a poor district. This method of sharing the wealth is not fair because the school districts are not on a level playing field. The school districts should start with the same tax base.
DPISD likes to get the voters to pass bonds. Bond money does not have to be shared with other school districts. This way they have the property owner on the hook for the next 15 or 20 years to get the improvements they want done. DPISD has enough employees living in the city that will vote to approve any tax increase they want. If open enrollment is such a money maker, why is DPISD once again coming to the property owner for more money? This will be a property tax increase which means they will have to share the money. If the school budget is say 2 million short, how do I know DPISD won't ask for 3 million to cover what they need and what they will have to give away?
You are a a**hole.
Weegi,

Robin Hood is based on taxable values per student, not on revenue. The school district gives away revenue that is in excess of the taxable value per student limit. But you are close to the target there. DPISD is coming to you aqs the property owner to ask you to fix the problem your state legislators created. Your choice man. Ante up locally or throw your hands up and say it is not your problem - hey, that worked for the legislature, it can work for you. No one is happy about the possible tax increase. The leg won't do anything about it, even though we elected them to do something about it. Gutless wonders. So we have a chance to do something about it, or we can abdicate our responsibility just like our elected officials did. A YES vote says I will help take care of this problem locally, and I will put my money where my mouth is. A NO vote says I don't want to help fix the problem right now. Both choices have a price tag. Make your choice. I've made mine. I am all in for the full ride with our local district, whatever it takes.
noopenenrollment

Houston, TX

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#33
Nov 10, 2012
 
How much would we save if no open enrollment lest teachers and staff and how much we pay a year for the bond money?
noopenenrollment

Houston, TX

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#34
Nov 10, 2012
 
How much would we save if we stop open enrollment?
How much do we pay a year for the last bond money?
ondmoney

Houston, TX

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#35
Nov 11, 2012
 
Our School District pass this Bond Money of about 178 Million knowing they were going to have to raise taxes. Vote No and this election should be held in May not Dec. at City Hall.
Voteno

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#36
Nov 12, 2012
 
No new taxes.
Noearlyvoting

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#37
Nov 12, 2012
 

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No early voting either. Just one day, no other options.
Andrea

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#38
Nov 12, 2012
 
Early Voting
(All Precincts)
Education Support Center 2800 Texas Ave.
Deer Park, TX 77536
November 28 December 11, 2012

December 15, 2012 Election Day
Depends on your precinct!
Deer Park Community Center 610 East San Augustine
Deer Park, TX 77536
Deepwater Elementary School 309 Glenmore
Pasadena, TX 77503
First Apostolic Church 1211 South Main Highlands, TX 77562
Fairmont Elementary School 4315 Heathfield
Pasadena, TX 77505

http://www.dpisd.org/cms/lib4/TX01001079/Cent...
Voteno

Houston, TX

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#39
Nov 12, 2012
 
Andrea are you for raising DPISD taxes?
Annuit Coeptis

Deer Park, TX

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#40
Nov 13, 2012
 
Noearlyvoting wrote:
No early voting either. Just one day, no other options.
Nice try, but state law requires early voting. Talk to your legislators about that... AC
Money

Houston, TX

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#41
Nov 16, 2012
 
Our DPISD just spends money like it grows on trees, like the big meals they have before a football game in the new 5 millions dollars press box.

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