Obama Care, Government health

Obama Care, Government health

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#1 Sep 14, 2009
Pop, I don't mean to ignore your Deer Park only suggestion, but sometimes national issues effect Deer Park as well so they, my opinion, must take center stage along with local issues.

From a friend:
"To President Obama and all 535 voting members of the Legislature,

You want to be in charge of Health Care?- Let's check on your track record:

The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775 you have had 234 years to get it right and it is broke.
Social Security was established in 1935 you have had 74 years to get it right and it is broke.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938 you have had 71 years to get it right and it is broke.
War on Poverty started in 1964 you have had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor" and they only want more.
Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 you have had 44 years to get it right and both are broke.
Freddie Mac was established in 1970 you have had 39 years to get it right and it is broke.
The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil, it has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32 years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.
You have FAILED in every "government service" - while overspending through waste, fraud and incompetence our hard earned tax dollars.
AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??

You have to be insane!

Truly, the inmates are running the asylum. But it does say something about us, as voters who put such vermin in office - over & over & over. If we do not vote these people currently in office - we are ALL nuts - regardless of our political leanings."



So the only real way to make a positive change is to remove those career politicians and or those who want community organizations such as ACORN to control the agenda. If you choose not to choose, then you loose. It all starts from grass roots.

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

Austin, TX

#2 Sep 14, 2009
Medicare and the VA system are government-run socialized health care systems.

Do any of the Medicare recipients on this forum want to give up Medicare and buy private health insurance?

The Post Office isn't broken. It simply charges too little to handle your mail.

Without Social Security, America would have massive throngs of old people living in absolute poverty as they did before Roosevelt. It's one of the major success stories of how government can improve our lives.

All your points are a matter of opinion. A sizeable majority of people want health care reform. The insurance companies who stand to lose or gain by the outcome of health care reform are making a giant effort to make sure they come out ahead.

I hope Pop does't have a conniption if he reads a dissenting opinion on "his" forum.
pop

United States

#3 Sep 14, 2009
Hezekiah wrote:
Medicare and the VA system are government-run socialized health care systems.
Do any of the Medicare recipients on this forum want to give up Medicare and buy private health insurance?
The Post Office isn't broken. It simply charges too little to handle your mail.
Without Social Security, America would have massive throngs of old people living in absolute poverty as they did before Roosevelt. It's one of the major success stories of how government can improve our lives.
All your points are a matter of opinion. A sizeable majority of people want health care reform. The insurance companies who stand to lose or gain by the outcome of health care reform are making a giant effort to make sure they come out ahead.
I hope Pop does't have a conniption if he reads a dissenting opinion on "his" forum.
HEEHEE, here's my opinion for what it's worth. I believe healthcare reform is necessary to some degree, I am not for the public option. I actually agreed with many things bo said during his speech.

I don't know if all those government run entities are broke as Bill ZZ mentioned or quoted, I would need more proof of that.

Just be civilized is all I'm asking.

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

United States

#4 Sep 14, 2009
Pop, I sympathize with what you're saying about civility. I don't agree with you, but I understand how you feel.

I have sincere beliefs that diverge radically from the typical poster on most of these forums. From long experience I have learned that all I have to do is express a serious and heartfelt opinion on just about any topic, and I can be assured of a fairly offensive insult sooner rather than later. I'm not complaining, I understand that my opinions are an invitation.

I guess most people would be influenced not to post, but I enjoy this kind of thing. I also carry on long-term civil and somewhat polite exchanges with people who disagree with me on my local town forum. I exchange posts with people in whatever manner they like. It's all fairly meaningless and pretty funny sometimes.

I am on this forum because I made a joke about schoolteachers which unleashed a hilarious storm of insults. I didn't even know there was a Deer Park forum until it became apparent that the offended parties were not aware of the entire context of my joke.

Anyway, I was thrilled when the locals dedicated an entire thread to insulting me. It confirms all my impressions of Deer Park residents. I have grown really fond of this forum, and I'm not being sarcastic.

All these anonymous forums have a kind of life cycle. And one of the phases is for a sincere and polite member to voice a protest about the uncivil behavior of others.

Sometimes the miscreants will back off for awhile, but it seldom happens that the polite posters will take up the slack by increasing the number of posts about civic affairs or the traffic signal problem, or favorite Bible stories.

Come on. Read the 4b thread all at once and tell me that's not a prime example of extended lunacy without even a hint of self-aware humor.

But when people post these right-wing diatribes that are based on misinformation, to put it politely, I can't help but respond. I consider it my civic duty.
mike

Decatur, GA

#5 Sep 14, 2009
Hezekiah wrote:
Pop, I sympathize with what you're saying about civility. I don't agree with you, but I understand how you feel.
I have sincere beliefs that diverge radically from the typical poster on most of these forums. From long experience I have learned that all I have to do is express a serious and heartfelt opinion on just about any topic, and I can be assured of a fairly offensive insult sooner rather than later. I'm not complaining, I understand that my opinions are an invitation.
I guess most people would be influenced not to post, but I enjoy this kind of thing. I also carry on long-term civil and somewhat polite exchanges with people who disagree with me on my local town forum. I exchange posts with people in whatever manner they like. It's all fairly meaningless and pretty funny sometimes.
I am on this forum because I made a joke about schoolteachers which unleashed a hilarious storm of insults. I didn't even know there was a Deer Park forum until it became apparent that the offended parties were not aware of the entire context of my joke.
Anyway, I was thrilled when the locals dedicated an entire thread to insulting me. It confirms all my impressions of Deer Park residents. I have grown really fond of this forum, and I'm not being sarcastic.
All these anonymous forums have a kind of life cycle. And one of the phases is for a sincere and polite member to voice a protest about the uncivil behavior of others.
Sometimes the miscreants will back off for awhile, but it seldom happens that the polite posters will take up the slack by increasing the number of posts about civic affairs or the traffic signal problem, or favorite Bible stories.
Come on. Read the 4b thread all at once and tell me that's not a prime example of extended lunacy without even a hint of self-aware humor.
But when people post these right-wing diatribes that are based on misinformation, to put it politely, I can't help but respond. I consider it my civic duty.
Beautifully said.
otto

United States

#6 Sep 14, 2009
Hezekiah wrote:
Pop, I sympathize with what you're saying about civility. I don't agree with you, but I understand how you feel.
I have sincere beliefs that diverge radically from the typical poster on most of these forums. From long experience I have learned that all I have to do is express a serious and heartfelt opinion on just about any topic, and I can be assured of a fairly offensive insult sooner rather than later. I'm not complaining, I understand that my opinions are an invitation.
I guess most people would be influenced not to post, but I enjoy this kind of thing. I also carry on long-term civil and somewhat polite exchanges with people who disagree with me on my local town forum. I exchange posts with people in whatever manner they like. It's all fairly meaningless and pretty funny sometimes.
I am on this forum because I made a joke about schoolteachers which unleashed a hilarious storm of insults. I didn't even know there was a Deer Park forum until it became apparent that the offended parties were not aware of the entire context of my joke.
Anyway, I was thrilled when the locals dedicated an entire thread to insulting me. It confirms all my impressions of Deer Park residents. I have grown really fond of this forum, and I'm not being sarcastic.
All these anonymous forums have a kind of life cycle. And one of the phases is for a sincere and polite member to voice a protest about the uncivil behavior of others.
Sometimes the miscreants will back off for awhile, but it seldom happens that the polite posters will take up the slack by increasing the number of posts about civic affairs or the traffic signal problem, or favorite Bible stories.
Come on. Read the 4b thread all at once and tell me that's not a prime example of extended lunacy without even a hint of self-aware humor.
But when people post these right-wing diatribes that are based on misinformation, to put it politely, I can't help but respond. I consider it my civic duty.
there are two 4B's, which are you taking about?

“Candor for the few”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

#7 Sep 14, 2009
In his usual style, Hez has bounced back and forth between contradictions. About all he really said was, "I enjoy insulting others and will do so, before they might do it to me." Of course, he's really not concerned whether he's insulted, as he likes to trade insults... that's all he lives for.

Now, Hez, you claim that your views are radically different from the "typical poster". You know that's not true, as there are plenty of far-left wing forums and blogs out there, including Topix, which is full of the minority loons. You have to come here, because there's no one to trade insults with on those forums.

“Candor for the few”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

#8 Sep 14, 2009
Bill ZZ wrote:
Pop, I don't mean to ignore your Deer Park only suggestion, but sometimes national issues effect Deer Park as well so they, my opinion, must take center stage along with local issues.
From a friend:
"To President Obama and all 535 voting members of the Legislature,
You want to be in charge of Health Care?- Let's check on your track record:
The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775 you have had 234 years to get it right and it is broke.
Social Security was established in 1935 you have had 74 years to get it right and it is broke.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938 you have had 71 years to get it right and it is broke.
War on Poverty started in 1964 you have had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor" and they only want more.
Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 you have had 44 years to get it right and both are broke.
Freddie Mac was established in 1970 you have had 39 years to get it right and it is broke.
The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil, it has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32 years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.
You have FAILED in every "government service" - while overspending through waste, fraud and incompetence our hard earned tax dollars.
AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??
You have to be insane!
Truly, the inmates are running the asylum. But it does say something about us, as voters who put such vermin in office - over & over & over. If we do not vote these people currently in office - we are ALL nuts - regardless of our political leanings."
So the only real way to make a positive change is to remove those career politicians and or those who want community organizations such as ACORN to control the agenda. If you choose not to choose, then you loose. It all starts from grass roots.
Good post, Bill. It carries with it, not only facts, but good ole fashioned common sense.

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

Austin, TX

#9 Sep 15, 2009
DPTX wrote:
In his usual style, Hez has bounced back and forth between contradictions. About all he really said was, "I enjoy insulting others and will do so, before they might do it to me." Of course, he's really not concerned whether he's insulted, as he likes to trade insults... that's all he lives for.
Now, Hez, you claim that your views are radically different from the "typical poster". You know that's not true, as there are plenty of far-left wing forums and blogs out there, including Topix, which is full of the minority loons. You have to come here, because there's no one to trade insults with on those forums.
I wasn't talking to you.

The approach I take when talking to people like you is to provoke you into revealing your true self. There is no way to politely disagree with you. The weird grammar lesson incident made it clear what talking to you will be like.

“Candor for the few”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

#10 Sep 15, 2009
LOL... as though you have "private" conversations on an open forum! Typical of your logic or lack, thereof. Now, if you want to have a private conversation, try email or a phone call... but be careful, the government might be monitoring the communication. After all, it might have happened and I missed it... but I don't recall BO repealing the Patriot Act.

The approach you take with anyone that doesn't agree with you has typically been to insult them and make nonsensical accusations. That IS your true self. There is no way to politely disagree with you. The weird grammar lesson incident made it clear what talking to you will be like.

“Perplexed”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

#11 Sep 15, 2009
Bill ZZ wrote:
Pop, I don't mean to ignore your Deer Park only suggestion, but sometimes national issues effect Deer Park as well so they, my opinion, must take center stage along with local issues.
From a friend:
"To President Obama and all 535 voting members of the Legislature,
You want to be in charge of Health Care?- Let's check on your track record:
The U.S. Post Service was established in 1775 you have had 234 years to get it right and it is broke.
Social Security was established in 1935 you have had 74 years to get it right and it is broke.
Fannie Mae was established in 1938 you have had 71 years to get it right and it is broke.
War on Poverty started in 1964 you have had 45 years to get it right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred to "the poor" and they only want more.
Medicare and Medicaid were established in 1965 you have had 44 years to get it right and both are broke.
Freddie Mac was established in 1970 you have had 39 years to get it right and it is broke.
The Department of Energy was created in 1977 to lessen our dependence on foreign oil, it has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a budget of $24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before. You had 32 years to get it right and it is an abysmal failure.
You have FAILED in every "government service" - while overspending through waste, fraud and incompetence our hard earned tax dollars.
AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??
You have to be insane!
Truly, the inmates are running the asylum. But it does say something about us, as voters who put such vermin in office - over & over & over. If we do not vote these people currently in office - we are ALL nuts - regardless of our political leanings."
So the only real way to make a positive change is to remove those career politicians and or those who want community organizations such as ACORN to control the agenda. If you choose not to choose, then you loose. It all starts from grass roots.
Well said, BZ.

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

Austin, TX

#12 Sep 15, 2009
Well said, sdjs.
weegi

United States

#13 Sep 15, 2009
Hezekiah wrote:
Well said, sdjs.
Your pretty funny today. Well said.
Publius Publico

Houston, TX

#14 Sep 15, 2009
Bill ZZ wrote:
"To President Obama and all 535 voting members of the Legislature,
You want to be in charge of Health Care?- Let's check on your track record:.......
Hello Bill, how have you been?
I have to ask, are you the author of the entire post?
( You want to be in charge of Health Care?- Let's check on your track record:)
I do not think that the current President or members of Congress should be held responsible for the departments named in the letter. Should it not be an open letter to all administrations dating back from 1935 to the present?
The friend left out the fraud and waste in the department of defense and their multitude of sub-contractors.
(Among others)
I also have also had a different view of the post office. The friend might miss it if it were gone and pay through the nose for similar services if it were run by a for profit company.
The friend apparently supports the turnover of both republican & democratic career politicians.He supports the turnover of politicians that support groups such as Acorn. I would assume then that the friend also supports the turnover of those politicians that supports groups with ultra-conservative or fundamentalist religious views to control the agenda.Corruption comes in all colors, shapes and sizes. Apparently the friend supports independent thinking candidates, something I would agree with.
So many yell out for the turnover of incumbents, but it is rarely done or is done in huge convulsing cycles, out with the old in with the other old. In Texas Cornyn and Hutchinson could get re-elected until they died, gave up the ship or were indicted, convicted and jailed.
When people talk about turning out politicians they mean the other peoples representatives and senators,not theirs.
IMHO friend not until the people begin electing moderates or centrists will things improve, we usually have these big swings from ultra-conservative to ultra-liberal and back and forth. Personally I do not believe our generation is capable of doing it, our opinions are too hard set.
“You have FAILED in every "government service" - while overspending through waste, fraud and incompetence our hard earned tax dollars.”
Is there now or has there ever been a successful Government Service?
Thank you Bill,
Publius
Publius Publico

Houston, TX

#15 Sep 15, 2009
Hezekiah wrote:
It confirms all my impressions of Deer Park residents. I have grown really fond of this forum, and I'm not being sarcastic.
Good afternoon Hezekiah,

Is this not a sort of geographical stereotyping?

Would you be so kind as to detail what your now confirmed impressions are of (all) Deer Park residents.

Sincerely,
Publius

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#16 Sep 15, 2009
Publius Publico wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello Bill, how have you been?
I have to ask, are you the author of the entire post?
( You want to be in charge of Health Care?- Let's check on your track record:)
I do not think that the current President or members of Congress should be held responsible for the departments named in the letter. Should it not be an open letter to all administrations dating back from 1935 to the present?
The friend left out the fraud and waste in the department of defense and their multitude of sub-contractors.
(Among others)
I also have also had a different view of the post office. The friend might miss it if it were gone and pay through the nose for similar services if it were run by a for profit company.
The friend apparently supports the turnover of both republican & democratic career politicians.He supports the turnover of politicians that support groups such as Acorn. I would assume then that the friend also supports the turnover of those politicians that supports groups with ultra-conservative or fundamentalist religious views to control the agenda.Corruption comes in all colors, shapes and sizes. Apparently the friend supports independent thinking candidates, something I would agree with.
So many yell out for the turnover of incumbents, but it is rarely done or is done in huge convulsing cycles, out with the old in with the other old. In Texas Cornyn and Hutchinson could get re-elected until they died, gave up the ship or were indicted, convicted and jailed.
When people talk about turning out politicians they mean the other peoples representatives and senators,not theirs.
IMHO friend not until the people begin electing moderates or centrists will things improve, we usually have these big swings from ultra-conservative to ultra-liberal and back and forth. Personally I do not believe our generation is capable of doing it, our opinions are too hard set.
“You have FAILED in every "government service" - while overspending through waste, fraud and incompetence our hard earned tax dollars.”
Is there now or has there ever been a successful Government Service?
Thank you Bill,
Publius
I'm doing ok, been better, but I'm doing ok; I hope all is well with you.
No, I had nothing to do with this post except pass it on.
You seem to have the same opinion as my friend, I understand what you are saying.

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

United States

#17 Sep 15, 2009
Publius Publico wrote:
<quoted text>
Good afternoon Hezekiah,
Is this not a sort of geographical stereotyping?
Would you be so kind as to detail what your now confirmed impressions are of (all) Deer Park residents.
Sincerely,
Publius
Good afternoon Mr. Publico,
Do you mind if I call you Publius?

The word "stereotyping" has such negative connotations. I would never want to be seen as stereotyping the good citizens of Deer Park. I simply have impressions based upon quite a bit of experience.

Have you noticed how many posters have DP in their moniker? Many people seem to identify with Deer Park to an unusual extent. The posters themselves seem to give the impression of an insular community.

For example, sdjs says "...don't respond to the outsiders that have invaded this forum, especially Hez." More than a few others have told me to Get Out, Get Lost, Go Away, You Don't Belong Here...
Well, you get the drift.

This kind of thing is not typical of an anonymous forum. People might tell you to Go to Hell, or Love It or Leave It, but they don't evoke that sense of unneighborliness to strangers that exists on this forum.

This also applies to the real Deer Park. This perception is prevalent enough to qualify as a stereotype. It's kind of weird, because most people have no reason to go to Deer Park. It's just another polluted little section of land near the ship channel not much better or worse than all the others, except to its inhabitants.

Publius Publico

Houston, TX

#18 Sep 17, 2009
Bill ZZ wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm doing ok, been better, but I'm doing ok; I hope all is well with you.
No, I had nothing to do with this post except pass it on.
You seem to have the same opinion as my friend, I understand what you are saying.
Thanks Bill,

I didn't think it was yours as your originals are really well organized and presented.

Thanks,
Publius
Publius Publico

Houston, TX

#19 Sep 17, 2009
Hezekiah wrote:
<quoted text>
Good afternoon Mr. Publico,
Do you mind if I call you Publius?
The word "stereotyping" has such negative connotations. I would never want to be seen as stereotyping the good citizens of Deer Park. I simply have impressions based upon quite a bit of experience.
Have you noticed how many posters have DP in their moniker? Many people seem to identify with Deer Park to an unusual extent. The posters themselves seem to give the impression of an insular community.
For example, sdjs says "...don't respond to the outsiders that have invaded this forum, especially Hez." More than a few others have told me to Get Out, Get Lost, Go Away, You Don't Belong Here...
Well, you get the drift.
This kind of thing is not typical of an anonymous forum. People might tell you to Go to Hell, or Love It or Leave It, but they don't evoke that sense of unneighborliness to strangers that exists on this forum.
This also applies to the real Deer Park. This perception is prevalent enough to qualify as a stereotype. It's kind of weird, because most people have no reason to go to Deer Park. It's just another polluted little section of land near the ship channel not much better or worse than all the others, except to its inhabitants.
Yes Hezekiah, you may call me Publius.
I will not ask you or any other to leave the forum, particularly if national issues are discussed.
My only request although I have no right to make it is to try to refrain from descending into the childish name calling with you know who in particular. I know it's hard to do and sometimes it's just downright fun but it does detract from your arguments.
You know this is one of those cloistered little environments and I am not surprised that the citizens want to protect their ways of life. It sort of reminds me of Salt Lake City, Utah in that way. Except Salt Lake has some very beautiful and peaceful scenery.

“Candor for the few”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

#20 Sep 18, 2009
Publius Publico wrote:
My only request although I have no right to make it is to try to refrain from descending into the childish name calling with you know who in particular. I know it's hard to do and sometimes it's just downright fun but it does detract from your arguments.
WHO?

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