Deer Park Town Square plan

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Andrea

Houston, TX

#1 Nov 5, 2011
I see the photo but kind of hard to read. It appears that the land was going to be a Town Square with restaurants, hotel, condos, parking, medical/offices spaces. Does that say city museum on the map key?? So, this was the reason for the first 4b push along with revitalizing the n. end of center....interesting. 4b corporations can provide land & buildings that bring in business. Museums are all acceptable expenditures along with many other projects.
autoresponder

Pasadena, TX

#2 Nov 5, 2011
OKAY, I can't read the text on the image. What's the posters point, that plans sometimes change from their original perception,(were not these plans originally drawn up prior to the Bush era economic collapse?) or that corruption, nepotism and insider blah blah blah are responsible for the multi-headed monstrosity being built now?
Andrea

Houston, TX

#3 Nov 5, 2011
autoresponder wrote:
OKAY, I can't read the text on the image. What's the posters point, that plans sometimes change from their original perception,(were not these plans originally drawn up prior to the Bush era economic collapse?) or that corruption, nepotism and insider blah blah blah are responsible for the multi-headed monstrosity being built now?
I suppose the point is 3 million (at tax payers expense) versus 900,000, but perhaps the poster can clarify.

“Perplexed”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

#4 Nov 5, 2011
Andrea wrote:
<quoted text>I suppose the point is 3 million (at tax payers expense) versus 900,000, but perhaps the poster can clarify.
I have copies of the minutes in a box. I'd have to dig to see the exact figures. Just going off memory. Not sure who originally owned it and how much they paid for it, sold it for, then asking price for city if 4B passed. When I have time I'll dig through my stuff.

“Perplexed”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

#5 Nov 5, 2011
HCAD might show ownership history.
Memory

Deer Park, TX

#6 Nov 5, 2011
I think that was the original plan for where the Providence Town Square is being built. Could be wrong, like sjds, going from memory.

“Perplexed”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

#7 Nov 5, 2011
Memory wrote:
I think that was the original plan for where the Providence Town Square is being built. Could be wrong, like sjds, going from memory.
It was. Just need to get the correct $ amounts. Stay tuned.
Johnny

Oakhurst, TX

#8 Nov 6, 2011
autoresponder wrote:
OKAY, I can't read the text on the image. What's the posters point, that plans sometimes change from their original perception,(were not these plans originally drawn up prior to the Bush era economic collapse?) or that corruption, nepotism and insider blah blah blah are responsible for the multi-headed monstrosity being built now?
Andrea, so glad you asked. And dptx, funny answer, but wrong. I'll tell you the answer.
Let me tell you a little story. Ready? Once upon a time, the Deer Park Center Street Joint Venture
Group bought that piece of property. After that, this group brought plans to a city council meeting I was attending and passed around copies to the few in the audience. I still have those plans somewhere. I remember Les Ellard giving me my copy. On it, there were plans for that property and when I say plans I mean real drawn out plans. It showed City Hall being there, a theatre for Art Park Players, a 4 story hotel with a convention center attached and several restaurant pads. There may have been another bldg but I can't recall, I'd have to dig the plans up. This group, and you can ask for the minutes if you wish, approached city council with the idea of 4B which would allow the city to purchase the property for this project. I think the price was somewhere around 3 million. Again, you'd have to get the minutes for exact figure. The public was getting involved by going to cc meetings and 4B was put on ballot, but voted down. Now, dang it, they are stuck with this property they had planned on selling to the city. Shoot, now what the heck do we do? Well, lets go find someone to buy it so we at least make some money off of it. What could be built there that the public might accept? A retirement complex, that's it! So, they sell it for around $900,000 (I have sale paperwork off SOS website, I'd have to dig it up to get exact figure), not the 3 mil they'd hoped for, but got it sold. Now new owner has to ask for it to be rezoned for complex. When certain citizens showed up in opposition, including myself, we were told DP NEEDED a place for our seniors. All we wanted was a different location, and mentioned East Blvd. We thought the Center St location was a terrible idea. But no, DP NEEDED a place for the complex, so they voted it through. After this happened, I came upon documention that council was sent PRIOR to this. They were being informed by the State that a man was wanting to build a senior complex on Glenwood Avenue. He was going to apply for Section 8 housing funds, so council, Wayne Smith, etc had to be notified. I have copies of certified letters to each. So all the while, they new a man was wanting to build the much NEEDED senior complex. Now the rest can be left up to pure speculation. Their friends had sold the property to a man who they probably promised they could absolutely help him get the property on Center rezoned for such a project. Now the pressure is on. OK, we have a man who wants to build on Glenwood who doesn't need rezoning, because it is already zoned. On the other hand, we've got this new guy now stuck with the property our friends owned. Also, keep in mind, there cannot be 2 Section 8 housings withing the same mile, I think, so they both can't be built. Council passes it, man on Glenwood now doesn't get to build his Senior complex that was in the works before the one on Center was mentioned. What ticks me off is the whole time they knew (I've got the letters with dates) that DP was already going to potentially have a senior complex in DP and off the main road, Center. Most of the story, my friends, is factual. The theory behind the location, is speculation. I'll leave it up to you to decide on your own. Oh, and by the way, the above mentioned original joint venture group and Friends of Deer Park's future have some of the same members, or so I've been told. Have fun and have a fantastic weekend!
Johnny

Oakhurst, TX

#11 Nov 6, 2011
The other members are just family members of those people(would that include a council person?). Deer Park Center Street Joint Venture s dream was to have built a beautiful town square. I don t know if I have to leave this because it is the only copy I have but it was done in the newspaper. This was our dream and this is what we wanted to do.
Many of the towns that surround us have these town squares They have something for all to enjoy and be proud of. After much effort and even consulting the developers of Sugarland Town Square had a great deal of citizen support we were not able to make this happen. It was just not good timing. The 4B could have made this very helpful if we would have had that at that time.

“Perplexed”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

#12 Nov 6, 2011
Johnny, if y'all wanted a town square you, or the group, should have visited with every household and consulted the taxpayers with your vision. Who knows, with a one on one, you might have got the OK. The town is not that big and people like to be informed and included. It's when a group of big guns get together and presume to know what is best for our town that will continue to fail. Thanks and have a blessed Sunday.

“Candor for the few”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

#13 Nov 6, 2011
Johnny wrote:
The other members are just family members of those people(would that include a council person?). Deer Park Center Street Joint Venture s dream was to have built a beautiful town square. I don t know if I have to leave this because it is the only copy I have but it was done in the newspaper. This was our dream and this is what we wanted to do.
Many of the towns that surround us have these town squares They have something for all to enjoy and be proud of. After much effort and even consulting the developers of Sugarland Town Square had a great deal of citizen support we were not able to make this happen. It was just not good timing. The 4B could have made this very helpful if we would have had that at that time.
NOw THAT is friggin' hilarious!!!!!

So, many of the towns that surround us have these town squares, eh? You mean like the one in Pasadena (Southmore & Pasadena Blvd, i.e. Tatar) that can't keep the shops filled and almost empty parking lots, even though they have a major anchor like Sears?

I've got a little clue for you. Deer Park has a Town Plaza on Spencer and Walmart is the anchor store... have you noticed all the small businesses and restaurants popping up in the area? There's even a Chili's across the street (although not very busy most of the time).

Have you also noticed that most of the major grocery stores in Deer Park have closed or been replaced by discount grocery stores?

If you want a Town Square, then you and your financial partners can build it. If you think this is such a profitable venture, you certainly don't need our tax dollars to help fund it. Why should the tax payers help pay for a business enterprise... are you afraid that it might turn out like the Battleground Golf Course and restaurant and therefore needs to be subsidized by the taxpayers?

This was nothing more than another of the crony politics and back room dealings between the city leaders, CoC and their "fiends of Deer Park".(No, I didn't misspell the word.)

It's time that a stop is put to this crap. Now, Johnny, be a good boy and go play on the freeway.
Johnny

Oakhurst, TX

#14 Nov 6, 2011
Now you've hurt my feelings.

“I don't believe in mathematics”

Since: Aug 08

United States

#15 Nov 6, 2011
DPTX wrote:
Now, Johnny, be a good boy and go play on the freeway.
DPTX, why would you add to the horrible traffic problems Deer Park already has? This lack of good sense is why you could never be considered for political office, even though otherwise you have all the necessary people skills and charisma.
Andrea

Houston, TX

#16 Nov 6, 2011
Johnny wrote:
The other members are just family members of those people(would that include a council person?). Deer Park Center Street Joint Venture s dream was to have built a beautiful town square. I don t know if I have to leave this because it is the only copy I have but it was done in the newspaper. This was our dream and this is what we wanted to do.
Many of the towns that surround us have these town squares They have something for all to enjoy and be proud of. After much effort and even consulting the developers of Sugarland Town Square had a great deal of citizen support we were not able to make this happen. It was just not good timing. The 4B could have made this very helpful if we would have had that at that time.
There is nothing wrong with dreaming, we all have dreams, but as you know we don't all dream the same. One person or a group may think the right thing to do is to make a town square or develop every square inch of this town for economic reasons for all to enjoy and be proud of. While others are very proud of our town just the way it is and of course there are those that lie somewhere in the middle. When 4b becomes the driving force or the fuel for the fire it turns may people off no matter how they dream Deer Park to be or not to be.

“Candor for the few”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

#17 Nov 6, 2011
So, once they finally develop every last acre/lot in this land-locked town, what are they planning to do to increase economic development? When they've overspent the current income, where do they plan to raise more capital to pay off the debt from these enterprising ventures?

Now, we also want to know...
When every possible lot has finally been developed, where is the rain water going to go? Will residents have to start digging retention basins in their back yards?

There are far too many nitwits sitting around dreaming of being a thriving metropolis with a mall to accommodate the spare time of all those tourists while they take a break from sight-seeing all the wonderful attractions in this town.

Get a life! If you want a Galleria or a Town Square, then move to Westheimer or Harris St.

“Perplexed”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

#18 Nov 6, 2011
I second that, Andrea & dptx! Run in 2012 Andrea, run!!!!!
yooflungpoo

Baytown, TX

#22 Nov 6, 2011
DPTX wrote:
<quoted text>There's even a Chili's across the street (although not very busy most of the time).
You say that like Chili's is something.....LMAO
Be Real

United States

#23 Nov 7, 2011
Ask La Porte about there town sq. it cost about 5 Million even they think what a waste of money. Take time and take a look its silly.

“Candor for the few”

Since: Nov 08

Deer Park

#24 Nov 7, 2011
yooflungpoo wrote:
You say that like Chili's is something.....LMAO
You say that like you still don't get the point.....LMAO
Well, no surprises there.
yooflungpoo

Baytown, TX

#25 Nov 7, 2011
your point is stupid...

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