Another police officer bites the dust
DPTX

Deer Park, TX

#22 Nov 22, 2013
jhtk wrote:
@ WAPA:I was being sarcastic with regard to the 2nd in command remark. Anyone who knows DPPD knows that the 2nd in command is running the department and is, in fact, probably the highest contributing factor responsible for the low morale/ disgruntled attitudes of the employees. This was evidenced during a personal leave taken by this commander earlier this year. Not only did internal investigations almost disappear but the employees were HAPPY, morale was high, and productivity soared! Upon his return however, in a matter of a week or so, 6 or 7 new investigations were opened! Needless to say, employees frowned, morale fell, and officers are again hesitatant to perform their job to their fullest.
@DPTX: So no, I'm afraid it's not an "outlook."
WHAT? So, you're saying that our police officers aren't performing their job to be best of their ability, just because they don't like their supervisor? If that's the case, they all need to be fired.
stipo

Houston, TX

#23 Nov 22, 2013
@dptx,
I don't think that's what jhtk is saying. A better question to ask is why. Why are the police officers hesitant to perform their job to the fullest? However, that has already been discussed on here.
DPTX

Deer Park, TX

#24 Nov 22, 2013
stipo wrote:
@dptx,
I don't think that's what jhtk is saying. A better question to ask is why. Why are the police officers hesitant to perform their job to the fullest? However, that has already been discussed on here.
If they are hesitant to perform their job to the fullest, then we shouldn't be waiting to see if any single one may leave, but show them the exit door immediately.

The tax payers should expect no less. To blame such lack of professionalism upon a supervisor or any other such factor is not a reason.

When it comes right down to it, there are a lot of people in all sorts of jobs that don't like their supervisor for one reason or another. They have a choice... do the job they were hired to do or find another.
Jedi

Deer Park, TX

#25 Nov 23, 2013
jhtk is correct in his statements. Knowing details about the inner workings of DPPD, the biggest culprit of most of the IA investigations is the accreditation CALEA. The current policy manual of DPPD is approximately 1,000 - 2,000 pages, and much of it was "copied and pasted" from a manual that was provided by CALEA. Some of it does not apply to patrol officers, but much of it does. DPPD spends close to 10,000 every year to maintain this accreditation which does nothing to help officers. The purpose of this accreditation is to protect the department and the city from liability. So if an officer screws up, the department can find some policy that was violated, and therefore the officer is left unsupported by the department. The current administration finds pride in finding the smallest policy violations on its officers. This type of mind set destroys confidence and morale. Many patrol officers truly are "scared" to be aggressive in their duties. If you dig for more information, you will find that the current admin violates many more policies than do the officers. But, is the admin held accountable for these policy violations? Of course not. Even though there is a policy statement which states that any violation should be reported, officers would never truly do this in fear of retaliation from their superiors because it is made known who filed the original complaint.
gilori

Houston, TX

#26 Nov 24, 2013
dptx, Sometimes others know more than you do.
yooflungpoo

Houston, TX

#27 Nov 24, 2013
gilori wrote:
dptx, Sometimes others know more than you do.
Do you really believe that...???
law speaks

Fort Worth, TX

#28 Nov 25, 2013
Jedi wrote:
jhtk is correct in his statements. Knowing details about the inner workings of DPPD, the biggest culprit of most of the IA investigations is the accreditation CALEA. The current policy manual of DPPD is approximately 1,000 - 2,000 pages, and much of it was "copied and pasted" from a manual that was provided by CALEA. Some of it does not apply to patrol officers, but much of it does. DPPD spends close to 10,000 every year to maintain this accreditation which does nothing to help officers. The purpose of this accreditation is to protect the department and the city from liability. So if an officer screws up, the department can find some policy that was violated, and therefore the officer is left unsupported by the department. The current administration finds pride in finding the smallest policy violations on its officers. This type of mind set destroys confidence and morale. Many patrol officers truly are "scared" to be aggressive in their duties. If you dig for more information, you will find that the current admin violates many more policies than do the officers. But, is the admin held accountable for these policy violations? Of course not. Even though there is a policy statement which states that any violation should be reported, officers would never truly do this in fear of retaliation from their superiors because it is made known who filed the original complaint.
Well written!! Lets not even get started with CALEA. what a joke.
jhtk

Fort Worth, TX

#29 Nov 25, 2013
DPTX wrote:
<quoted text>WHAT? So, you're saying that our police officers aren't performing their job to be best of their ability, just because they don't like their supervisor? If that's the case, they all need to be fired.
No that's not what I'm saying at all. Really? To imply that they do not perform their jobs because "they don't like their supervisor" is childish and insulting. It also trivializes the true cause for the officers behaviors. Interestingly, Comments such as this and other similar ones (they wanted more money, they're lazy, didn't want to work, etc) have been used by management in an effort to shift the blame for leaving to the officers. What should actually be taking place is a look inward to figure out WHAT the real cause is and HOW to keep these good employees from leaving and stop the bleeding!
DPTX

Deer Park, TX

#30 Nov 25, 2013
jhtk wrote:
<quoted text>
No that's not what I'm saying at all. Really? To imply that they do not perform their jobs because "they don't like their supervisor" is childish and insulting. It also trivializes the true cause for the officers behaviors. Interestingly, Comments such as this and other similar ones (they wanted more money, they're lazy, didn't want to work, etc) have been used by management in an effort to shift the blame for leaving to the officers. What should actually be taking place is a look inward to figure out WHAT the real cause is and HOW to keep these good employees from leaving and stop the bleeding!
Really? What are you saying? I didn't imply such things... that is how your comments came across.

Now, others have indicated that officers can't fully do their job and related that to being more aggressive. To some extent, I do feel that there is way to many restrictions placed upon our law enforcement personnel these days. The crooks know this and use it to their advantage. However, by the same token, due to past issues and undue aggressiveness, this has caused the pendulum to swing too far the other way. In either case, there certainly needs to be a middle-ground, but unless we get the liberal bleeding-hearts knocked back a notch or two, it's what we all have to live with. So, it does not matter where these officers go, they will find that it's almost the same thing, anywhere they go. If the problem is going to get fixed, we have to start with the politicians that are causing the real problems... as most supervisors are just following the required protocol to ensure the city does not fall prey to those ridiculous lawsuits and by the way, that IS part of their job.

There lies the real problem. Playing upon the fallacies of "management versus the workers" does not help fix anything. This is the divide and conquer techniques used to gain political clout and votes, when you may only find that "the people" are the ones that are going to have the most to lose.

If you don't see it from the big picture and blame "the supervisor" for the problems, you will never understand... until it's too late.
DPTX

Deer Park, TX

#31 Nov 25, 2013
gilori wrote:
dptx, Sometimes others know more than you do.
Really? I never said that I knew everything. However, it's obvious you are one of those that don't know much of anything.
Andrea

Houston, TX

#32 Nov 26, 2013
http://www.yourhoustonnews.com/bay_area/news/...
Seabrook passed Civil Service - which provides the Seabrook Police Department with regulations for hiring, firing, promotion, vacation and disciplining of police officers.
Deer Park has no such thingůmaybe it's time. Many officers won't work for a city that doesn't have this protection as I've been told.
This might be an interesting issue to add to ones political platform. JS
Solutions please, hope council is reading.
jhtk

Dallas, TX

#33 Nov 26, 2013
Andrea wrote:
http://www.yourhoustonnews.com /bay_area/news/article_b0a77a8 6-1631-543c-9b92-a6b2d5384ca6. html
Seabrook passed Civil Service - which provides the Seabrook Police Department with regulations for hiring, firing, promotion, vacation and disciplining of police officers.
Deer Park has no such thing┬ůmaybe it's time. Many officers won't work for a city that doesn't have this protection as I've been told.
This might be an interesting issue to add to ones political platform. JS
Solutions please, hope council is reading.
"Solutions please, hope council is reading". BINGO!
Jedi

Deer Park, TX

#34 Nov 26, 2013
Andrea wrote:
http://www.yourhoustonnews.com /bay_area/news/article_b0a77a8 6-1631-543c-9b92-a6b2d5384ca6. html
Seabrook passed Civil Service - which provides the Seabrook Police Department with regulations for hiring, firing, promotion, vacation and disciplining of police officers.
Deer Park has no such thingůmaybe it's time. Many officers won't work for a city that doesn't have this protection as I've been told.
This might be an interesting issue to add to ones political platform. JS
Solutions please, hope council is reading.
Civil Service may help, but it is not the final solution. About 2-3 years ago, the DP Patrolman's Association worked with TMPA reps about how to get Civil Service to DPPD. But, the motivation from officers was mostly to get rid of one particular supervisor, who retired a short time later. Therefore, the movement stalled and died. While there does need to be policies and procedures in place to unify and coordinate operations, I believe CALEA causes more headaches than it solves. The current Asst. Chief is nothing more than a risk manager. He spends all day reviewing video and reading reports of officers/detectives. He then uses his viewings to recommend policy violations to the shift/department supervisors. Who then initiate an Internal Affairs investigation because they were "commanded" to. The Chief knows this goes on, but does nothing to find a middle ground because the Asst. Chief was the Chief's mentor while at Tyler PD, and will do anything the Asst. Chief says. I have done some digging and have found that many departments (El Paso, Arlington, Fort Worth, among others) have stopped depending on CALEA standards and are forming policies that more closely reflect the needs of the department and citizens. There have been numerous proposals that have been "shot down" because CALEA says so. City council will do nothing to investigate because the Chief sells CALEA as being a savior to liability. While it may be a savior to the department and city, it leaves good officers who are out on the streets 8-12 hours a day, with nothing but their guts.
jhtk

Houston, TX

#35 Dec 2, 2013
Jedi wrote:
<quoted text>Civil Service may help, but it is not the final solution. About 2-3 years ago, the DP Patrolman's Association worked with TMPA reps about how to get Civil Service to DPPD. But, the motivation from officers was mostly to get rid of one particular supervisor, who retired a short time later. Therefore, the movement stalled and died. While there does need to be policies and procedures in place to unify and coordinate operations, I believe CALEA causes more headaches than it solves. The current Asst. Chief is nothing more than a risk manager. He spends all day reviewing video and reading reports of officers/detectives. He then uses his viewings to recommend policy violations to the shift/department supervisors. Who then initiate an Internal Affairs investigation because they were "commanded" to. The Chief knows this goes on, but does nothing to find a middle ground because the Asst. Chief was the Chief's mentor while at Tyler PD, and will do anything the Asst. Chief says. I have done some digging and have found that many departments (El Paso, Arlington, Fort Worth, among others) have stopped depending on CALEA standards and are forming policies that more closely reflect the needs of the department and citizens. There have been numerous proposals that have been "shot down" because CALEA says so. City council will do nothing to investigate because the Chief sells CALEA as being a savior to liability. While it may be a savior to the department and city, it leaves good officers who are out on the streets 8-12 hours a day, with nothing but their guts.
Well written!!
Jedi

Deer Park, TX

#36 Dec 2, 2013
jhtk wrote:
so i hear the DPPD loses yet another young, able police officer. 3rd or 4th this year? when will the city administrators start looking for the real reason these young officers are dropping like flies? none have received exit interviews, as requested; which is strange if not illegal. unfortunately, the "cancer" has no plans of leaving the body.....
Do you know which officer has left DPPD?
The Truth

Houston, TX

#37 Dec 3, 2013
Did anyone know that the Assistant Chief is an employee of CALEA? Seems that our city is allowing someone him to fund his savings account with tax dollars. Hum....conflict of interest comes to mind here.
Jedi

Deer Park, TX

#38 Dec 3, 2013
The Truth wrote:
Did anyone know that the Assistant Chief is an employee of CALEA? Seems that our city is allowing someone him to fund his savings account with tax dollars. Hum....conflict of interest comes to mind here.
Not only is the Asst. Chief an employee of CALEA, both the Asst. Chief and Chief receive financial incentives to maintain CALEA accreditation. They even received a little more a few years ago when DPPD became a "flagship" CALEA department. Get this... DPPD created a new Sergeant's position that handles nothing but CALEA. A position that could easily be handled by a civilian, evidently had to be filled by a state licensed Sergeant. Talk about a waste of salary and time. So much time and money is wasted on CALEA. And, what do the citizens get in return? Nothing but a paperwork filled, time and money wasting police department.
jhtk

Deer Park, TX

#39 Dec 4, 2013
Jedi wrote:
<quoted text>Do you know which officer has left DPPD?
Yes three of them but there may have been more and WILL be more if things don't change.
jhtk

Deer Park, TX

#40 Dec 4, 2013
Jedi wrote:
<quoted text>Not only is the Asst. Chief an employee of CALEA, both the Asst. Chief and Chief receive financial incentives to maintain CALEA accreditation. They even received a little more a few years ago when DPPD became a "flagship" CALEA department. Get this... DPPD created a new Sergeant's position that handles nothing but CALEA. A position that could easily be handled by a civilian, evidently had to be filled by a state licensed Sergeant. Talk about a waste of salary and time. So much time and money is wasted on CALEA. And, what do the citizens get in return? Nothing but a paperwork filled, time and money wasting police department.
The Truth speaks the truth.
shady

Austin, TX

#41 Dec 5, 2013
@jhtk, if what you are saying is true about calea then that sounds corrupt. sounds like the good old boys brought the corrupt ways from tyler here to deer park. maybe someone should write a book titled harris county justice

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